Honestly thats my whole issue with this entire situation. The push on me is so vague and I am not even seeing a real case as I constantly say "Ask me anything"
Yet the only thing people want is what. The exact flavor of protective I have? Which has very fucking obvious reasons to be hidden.
Honestly same issue I saw with Alyssa. While I hard shoved them in my guild chat and pushed them in day chat D1 I saw an awful case with minimal reasoning I could use post flip.
I have made myself very clear.
I do not feel you have.
Did I very intentionally bait for scum reads and specifically 3p? Yes. Absolutely. And that can be verified in my guild chat by other people if you do not want to take my word for it.
I do not understand your point. If you do not think it was intentional and that I am lying ask Wryly or Rex and they can do a simple Ctrl+F in the discord and verify. If you are questioning why I would do such a thing just ask and I can explain.
But make a clear point. Because I am really not seeing one. I just keep hearing about vague behavioral pattern issues that I am not even seeing points on that I can address.
To be clear what I did give you in that post is an exact quote of me talking about that exact post in the guild chat- which again 2 living people here can verify reflecting it was absolutely intentional on my part.
But lets get away from the vague nonsense please. Clearly voice what you are arguing and I will give you an equally clear response.
Ok man. Unpack why you think I am scum and what you would like me to explain. We are talking past etchother and I am very willing to openly discuss what I was up to in any situation this game.
I won't unpack the conversation but yeah. Me and Luna were cutting it up cracking jokes about the situation at the time. But yes I did catch that post.
Thats literally what I said in guild chat. I do remember that post.
I actually quoted you there on 4/2/2026 at 11:31PM
My exact words-
"Fucking finally someone suspects me
Lol
Jesus fucking christ its hard to bait a scum read on this server"
Checked in on it. We were mid discussion a long time after Lunatic said anything about invest actions talking about my strategy making myself midrange town read and positioning for a 3p claim and Wryly said "Pie Conf" with zero reply or context at all. That was all that was 'projected' in our guild chat.
Would screen shot but thats too angleshooty
I mean your defense seems heavily OMGUS-y. That's one behavioral argument I have. Instead of engaging any of our arguments for why full claiming makes sense you just go in hard on how stupid, inept, and apish we are, and how we deserve to learn our lesson.
Cute straw man.
But yes- I do keep cutting back to "How does this information equate to anything AI as you scream for a total claim and yeah. Its pretty awful. It is just learned behavior skipping the thought process of "Why does this matter" and I am very flatly saying I will not go along with this sites meta and you can have my flip.
Afterwards you can pat etch other on the back and say "Its not our fault, if he just woulda told us what kind of protective he was he would not be dead so its on him" but pretty much expect this from me every single game forever. I will never give role claims 'just because thats what you do' and you can have misslynch after misslynch.
Actually, let me check if that post was even a reply at all
Feel free to leave out how much was said between those time periods and that we were mid conversation on some random bullshit.
lol the salt is crazy. All that and you still haven’t addressed any of the behavioral arguments points I raised against you. Instead you’ve given several text walls, just kind of expecting us to believe all your tales
I keep hearing about these mythical behavioral argument points.. Still not seeing them..
“Never specifically voiced what action” BS. Whatever they gave was enough for someone to decipher the actions, if not they gave their actions outright. Otherwise there is no way Rex or Wryly would be sussing you here.
Ok man. Tell me more about what was said in the chat I am in but you are not.
Ok, and so the only way you could be town here is if Wryly is scum, and Rex would probably have to be the teammate, and I find that highly unlikely.
Then kill me. I have said over and over and over that I am good with it.
Vet me or ignore me and kill me. If your mind is made up stop bloating the thread with your confirmation bias. You are wrong and will look dumb post flip. All there is to it.
Its funny how nobody wants to even talk about Shining and the claim they made thats absolutely absurd.
Is this one of those communities that just eliminates the active people talking and ignores lurkers?
Ok Pie. What about me vetting pie looked fake to you? What possible motivation could I have had to bait them to keep talking?
And again- As I was doing it I was poking my guild mates to keep him talking as much as possible and get as much info as possible. I even unpacked some of the more ehh, questionable deep things I was doing as far as ethical mafia play in that moment in my guild chat. Which again- 2 people in this game can look back in the guild chat and confirm.
Honestly, someday it may be healthy for this community to host a few mountainous setups and let players hunt without constantly demanding mech info when there is none.
People read through it, which is why Alyssa was lynched, and why you’re on the chopping block for that “questioning” you did at the end of the DP. I find it staged because Thoth has never done that before. Ever. And the fact he was interacting with you, especially after you were the one blabbering about information information information, is scummy to me.
Well feel free to push my guild mates to hear what I was really up to. I constantly shoved that Alyssa was scum in our guild chat and was very clear that I wanted town to take positions I could use to hunt so the train would not be worthless.
This cuts back to why I understand the general players suspecting me but my guild mates doing so is some bullshit.
So? NP1, you knew that the Doctor would target the Poisoned. What if someone was poisoned again? The Doctor would have to divert from being on either Luna/Wylted to the poisoned.
You are confused here again. NP2 the doctor healed Mag1cman. NP1 I was role blocked because our guild recruited and could take no action. And I also never claimed my protective function was doctor.
So let me get this straight. The ability you offered to claim to your guild, but was never asked to claim, is the same ability they passed up on a recruit for you to use? And it just so happens that the night you claimed to use your ability, is the same night where Wryly got her guilty result on Pie.
Well to unpack how all that went- N1 Lunatic asked me and Rex if they felt we should recruit or let us use our abilities as I had not claimed. I voiced in favor of recruiting
N2- Lunatic asked the same question. I also advocated for recruitment that night and voiced mathematically how we should probably recruit that night and then never recruit again. They never specifically voiced what action they would do and we all submitted actions although they did hard lean twords letting players use abilities that night.
Yes, N2 Wryly got their second confirmed bad check. No, I do not feel they clearly projected their check at all in chat. Inbetween a bunch of random conversations they posted "Pie confirmed" which is how they voiced they did and there could be a leaker but again- they had a bad green check on a mafia the night prior when they were not even in the guild. They are 0 for 2 on their checks at this point.
If you guys are so mech obsessed I can prove myself in my tracking. I can pick a player tonight and tell who they visited and if their action succeeded. But that does not prove much outside that I can do what I say I can do. And thats also assuming my potentially Mafia guild leader does not role block us all.
You can whine about us using mech all you want- you haven’t addressed any behavioral arguments at any point.
Behavioral arguments? Where were those made? I have been answering every single question asked of me in detail. The only thing I keep hearing is you guys want to know what type of protective I am now. Which why the fuck does it matter? What does it possibly change?
If I am a Bodyguard or an Armorsmith or BP or a doctor or have a commute function? How does any of that info help the town in any way? It just gives scum knowledge that lets them kill around me if I use that function.
Btw- I am kinda just being this much of an arrogant dick about it all because I know I am right and I know you will look stupid as I flip.
I do not game throw. Just because you guys are playing like shit does not mean I need to feed into your awful train.
Yes. Our guild can choose to do 1 of 3 actions-
1- Recruit a person to the guild (All town members are role blocked)
2- Protect everyone in the guild from normal attacks (Multiple exclusions existed)
3- Take no guild action and instead each guild member uses a power.
To be honest they can chew on me all day. My answer is not gona change.
Demanding some shit thats not AI in any way and eliminating me with such awful reason is gona have me laughing post flip. And I will 100% be rubbing peoples noses in it in future games.
There really is no reason to clarify exactly how my protective function works. Some of you are just on a power trip and desperate for mech info as far as I can tell. In which case just kill me- or lets kill the obvious fake claim scum. But shit or get off the pot at this point. No need to beat this dead horse more unless someone has something new to say.
I said I request an item one day and can use an item the next
That one of the items tells me who someone visited and if their action was sucessful.
The other is some form of protective.
My Doctor gets paid though an HMO function for their private practice if thats what your asking : P
Heyyy. Whats up stranger. You have been pretty shy in guild chat recently
Well 3 things factored into my decision there.
1- Our guild leader had a full protective function. If we chose to we could have turtled and blocked the majority of killing functions for everyone in the guild.
2- Poison was outed. Figured there was some kinda healer at play. (Weird world potential there still that I will not unpack)
3- This community seems to really struggle with using any analysis thats not mech centered. As I make arguments and do deep analysis I can feel peoples eyes glossing over. I do not even know if a single other person bothered to even read through Thoth's ISO which is just nuts. Figured if the only thing you guys will hear is a result I should go for one.
Im actually interested in hearing if anyone understands Pie's point there. That I did not do something on a night phase that has not even happened yet?
I was recruited NP0.
NP1 we recruited Wryly which blocked everyone from acting
NP2 I picked an item
NP3 is after this day cycle and has not happened yet
Dude. Night phase 3 has not even happened yet. We are in Day phase 3. You are confused.
There has not been a night phase 3 yet. That happens after this day phase ends.
