Helz

When I say I was role blocked- By that I mean my guild recruited so I could take no action (To include asking daddy for an item, I did try)

What? You knew that you would be able to use the protective roles NP3. Both Wylted and Luna can’t die NP2

Im really confused right now by what you are saying.

So we are in Day Phase 3. Night Phase 3 has not happened. Lunatic died on Night Phase 2.

My role takes 2 days to do something. So Night Phase 1 I was role blocked. Night Phase 2 I requested an item. I had no possibility to use an item Night Phase 2. Both my protective and my tracker functions are from items. I ask daddy to buy me things and then when he gives them to me I can use them. The first time I will be able to do a real function and get info or impact the game will be Night Phase 3 which has not happened yet. I had no ability to do anything Night Phase 2 (the night Lunatic died) other than to ask for an item I could use Night Phase 3.

At this point I kinda think you are scum. You have 2 checks that are both pretty much confirmed wrong. One of which was before you were in the guild declaring a green check on a mafia and a second declaring a red check on what seems to be a confirmed town.

You refuse to even bother digging through the guild chat to vet me or to ask me questions to vet me. The only thing you want is hard information on what type of protective I am and you decided to out that to the entire town against my wishes.

I do not trust you now. If those factors were not bad enough you then follow up voting me why? Because I did not clarify exactly how my protect function works? Nah. Thats just scummy. I see no town motivation for this and I do not think there is a leak. I think we just have a scum fake claimed alignment cop that tried to clear a fellow mafia then tried to give a false red check.

I mean, if I had a role that could retroactively reach into the past and change mech I would not be saying I felt my role was rather weak.

I mean, if I had a role that could retroactively reach into the past and change mech I would not be saying I felt my role was rather weak.

......Because that has not happened yet and Lunatic was killed NP2?

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45881-Helz-guide-to-improving-as-a-player-Part-2-Fundamentals-of-Scum-Hunting

Just punched it in my browser and this exact copy paste works

Appeal to Emotion.

Not sure they are using the term quite right but thats what they are getting at.

I literally could not have.

I was role blocked being in a guild as my guild recruited. The only action I could take N2 was to ask daddy for 1 of 2 items. I had no ability to protect anyone that night.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45881-Helz-guide-to-improving-as-a-player-Part-2-Fundamentals-of-Scum-Hunting

It was a rough draft. Had intentions of tieing in examples from MU champ games of hard slips. Kinda abandoned that thought at some point.

He’s very obviously bluffing. If he didn’t have a self protective ability, he would’ve used that first to potentially protect Luna/Wylted.

You do realize it takes me one turn to request the item and another to use it. I have been rather clear about that. It would be absolutely impossible for me to have protected Luna given my guild recruited Wryly N1 and I was role blocked.

1. Hold up are you a protective or investigative role? I’m confused as this blatantly contradicts your tracker claim

2. There’s an advantage to stay hidden but not if you can clear yourself right before being lynched and costing town a valuable PR.

Side rant: I’ve seen so many town PRs in open setups that got lynched because they didn’t claim and many times town went on to lose

1- Both. My role is that I ask my daddy for items one night and I can use them after. One of the items is a tracker that also tells me if the persons action succeeded or not. The other is an item that does some form of protection thing that I do not want to clarify more. And honestly did not even want it known that I had that for very obvious reasons.

2- Duno what you are talking about with me clearing myself. I have had 1 action this game so far and it was to ask for an item and I asked for the tracking one. There is nothing about my role that confirms myself in any way. Which is why I keep brining up my role claim is not even AI in any way and its silly to kill me over the details.

Well let me ask you this, What does it change to prove my alignment for me to claim how my protective function works? Its a protective function. Obviously there is advantage to that staying hidden.

And past that bullshit what even is the case against me? As I have repeatedly said Rex or Wryly can verify looking through chat that over and over I was actively working to keep myself as a mid read for town. Nothing I have said or done I will have any trouble explaining and I have town motivation for everything I have done. If the town does not want to vet me and instead kill me because the meta is "Reveal absolutely every bit of your role" this site is again like the monkeys with the button doing things without having reasoning why.

So kill me. Or kill the extremely likely scum Shining. Either way I am good with.

So something of my principles for playing mafia.

Each player has a duty to try to read and figure out other players.

Also each player has a duty to try to allow others to read them.

In this situation I am bending over backwards answering every question asked of me and just not revealing a tiny piece of my role which everyone can see would cause harm to town play to be known yet thats what I am being killed for as people ignore the rest and do not bother to vet me with reasoning.

Have at it. This is your sites meta? Do it then. Hammer. But on the flip feel stupid.

Feel free to kill me. I have said it over and over and over.

Yeah, I dislike when flavor relates to AI stuff. Puts advantage to people that know the source material in a rather unfair way.

But keep in mind I openly claimed my character D1 with zero pressure. I know I am town and just did not give a fuck. I also wanted to end the discussion of flavor. I do not want to have to watch an entire anime to play a mafia game.

Oh. Apparently my character was also a coward. I remember that bit. Made me giggle.

I duno. Some rich kid that ended up doing some guild stuff the one time I googled it? I think Google mentioned my father is wealthy or something. All my actions come from me asking daddy for items.

You guys also have all your meta reasoning and such. I do not.

Well, I ask daddy for items as an action.

One of the items is goggles that gives me a tracking ability and confirms to me if the players intended action succeeded or not.

The other item is some form of protective function that's detrimental to the town for me to clarify.

N1 I was role blocked as my guild recruited

N2 I asked daddy for some goggles so I could hunt.

Thats my full claim.

Pretty neutral. While I have seen things that pinged me I have also seen you do things I town read. You seem a bit too quick to go with the flow and I do not see much application of what I view your range is as a player. I think you can do more and you are holding back or just not trying that much and I have to ask why. Then positionally I question some of your movement.

I hold you as very likely town just because if you were scum and did the GF slip in open chat after roles went out any host would have re-rolled the game if you were Mafia. Thats pretty much why I had you next to the two claimed confirmed towns D1.

Orrr. just get Shining. The blatantly outed scum that nobody even disagrees with

I do not think I am mod confirmed at all.

Ironically my entire reasoning for town reading Mestari is mod meta which I unpacked D1. Hate that the game started with OOG nonsense drug into it but that seems to be normal here.

But yes, I asked to leave and got effectively told I could leave chat. I voiced that I now see my guild leader (Wryly) as potentially scum and would like to separate if possible but all I could do is leave chat. Which is pointless. Even as we disagree and fight about the mafia stuff we have been super respectful to etchother and there is no advantage to me having less information.

But yeah. Lol. I did just try to leave the guild over Wryly revealing my protective function to the town then voting me. That just screams scum to me.

Back to calling us monkeys.

Not at all what I was getting at. Its a basic psychology study thats taught in any 1st year course as a primal driver for human behavior.

People do all sorts of learned behavior for silly reasons. Why say bless you when someone sneezes but not when they burp or fart? Whats up with those canned conversations you have with someone at a gas station as you buy a bag of chips and vaguely recite something that resembles a conversation? Why do you greet people the way you do depending on what country you are in?

These are learned social norms. When you break them down some make sense and have reasoning- others are like the monkeys doing things just because thats how things are done. Thats how I see this lynch. I see no real reasoning. You guys have 95% of a full claim and act like the other 5% makes me guilty while recognizing how its damaging for scum to know those details.

So yeah- I am gona crack jokes about it on my way out. And I am gona laugh as I flip and throw it in the communities face next game. Is what it is.

Whatever. I hope my flip is a learning lesson to this community. Gona leave it at that.

My mind goes back to the monkeys attacking etchother for getting near a button because... Oh... They have no idea why they are doing the thing. Its just a learned social norm they can not even articulate.

Killing me because you do not know what flavor of protective I am is just dumb.

Learn to hunt without mech? You could look at the truckload of points that I had in chat. How I pushed Thoth to be the elemination and was gunning for Alyssa before they were a hard target post flip. I may not quite look it in this DP but its pretty fucking clear in our guild chat if you bothered to look that I was on the right side of both lynches. Even if I was actively working to manipulate the town in favor of developing information for the following days.

I am one of the few players you will encounter that is as manipulative or even more so as town than I am as scum.

Well to be fair its not exactly like you have taken advantage of being in a guild chat with me to even try to vet me. Or even bothered to really look through chat at what was said to vet me before I was in the hot seat. Just saying.

I will flip town and you can cope with that as you need to.

Its fine. If you are scum well played. If you are town the same thing we went over and over just now in guild chat applies.

Its not on me if people do stupid things that damage the town. You are either total scum pushing for a very specific detail with no reason to have it or just so brainwashed into it being a social norm here that I do not even want to stick around. When I flip town its the result of the town playing poorly. You more than others if you are town. Just me claiming protective should have explained enough. You outing it was bad and then you wanting to kill me on top of it is just awful.

As I said yesterday. Kill me and get me out of this game. Expect this behavior from me every single time you guys play with me. I will not bend to absurd demands that have no AI reasoning and I have no problem dying ever as town.

If your role is this handicapped, what was the point of joining the guild?

Really I just figured having access to chat with a confirmed town held much more value than my limited every other day functions. I felt my role was very weak and I favor the challenge of winning through analysis and social deduction over a PR move anyways.

No. I do not gamethrow.