Helz

I agree with the mass claim. We loose if we do not get this right and its that simple. We should get all info we can. I have my hands in a ton today but will have a lot of time to focus on this game tomorrow. I am open to claiming any time

We should be very controlled on our votes. 1 bad vote could mean we loose.

As a very obvious statement we should dig though Pies reads to get a feel for their N1 peek. (Also just imagine if we had done the 'everyone claim a peek each day strategy how useful that would be right now) but we can expect that they played D2 with a town check on someone unless they targeted exactly WF.

I also think we should all re-evaluate our positions. Something that bothered me last night reading through the thread is that Rex is pretty much getting a full town pass for the entire game just because of a miller claim. I feel that may be overcrowded with a BD existing but also I just have not seen any other argument for them being town and its not something I am comfortable with.

I wish I could say I have some solid direction but I need to go back and dig through everyone. Literally every player in the game I am paranoid about right now. Lets please take the time to sort this. I do not want the day to end early

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/8/2026 at 9:40 AM (post #138)

I really expect you to flip scum.

I thought you were supposed to be good at this game.

Unless you're scum, in which case well done, wish I'd been on your team this game.

Well specifically your non-committal positions pinged me even more. I could just see a world where Wylted and you were in a scum chat and you guys decided to kill chat quick without dealing with claims which gave me the bussing paranoia. This is one of the more bus crazy sights thats probably one of the more extremes I have seen as far as mafia communities.

There is just not much to work with this game. Really light D1 without a counter train and super short D2 which is why I am kinda pushing in twilight to get more info. Scum can basically shut out the game and create a mess if you are town for D3 and we do not get more information. I still want to hear more from mag and am basically poking everywhere.

Rex miller claim seems to be the only reason people town read them. Its an excellent scum claim with only site meta to back it and little conversation has been had on their personal meta. I am going back and forth between work and trying to get posts in before the thread closes but your D1 #77 also pinged me there. Felt out of place as far as how strong your read was and you walked it back.

If you are town I am sorry. But I would love to hear every opinion you can give before day closes and encourage the other players to jump in so we have something to work with D3

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/8/2026 at 9:21 AM (post #134)

There was zero reason to scumread me to the point of lynching here, and doing it before I was back on to defend myself was just dumb. We had a whole day left to work on this. You did bad and you should feel bad. Jive ass fuckas.

I really expect you to flip scum. But assuming you are not given the hammer did happen care to throw out some thoughts while you can still speak? If you are town your words will be confirmed as coming from town soon.

@Magaroth

Would you be able to give something of a read wall? I am still uncertain of how you are viewing people and why for the most part.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 11/7/2026 at 11:41 AM (post #62)

The kill on WF is interesting. I would have expected them to be protected or watched. Or at least expect the scum to be paranoid enough about that to not target them. D1 I woulda expected Pie or WF to be protected given how they were viewed. I do not see any real potential in this size of game for the kill to have been diverted from Pie to WF. Unless Pie flips some kinda mafia beguiler or such (I think some sites call it a hider off the top of my head?) I am thinking some kinda godshot / strongman action as a D1 on WF. Theory crafting but its whats on my mind and I am obligated to over explain.

How were we viewed? As far as I recall, I was sussed by both Banana and Wryly

Well I am just going to assume that because the thread did not auto lock twilight exists : )

Yeah, My rough notes have you as a neutral by Banana, WF, Rex and WF while I had question marks on how Wryly saw you. Granted I was franticly slapping them together to try to get some decent sort of read out on the game with what limited time I had. But its more that you were only neutral read by paranoia. I do wish people would consider my meta take on you a little more though. I kinda think I have you pegged there even if me voicing it this game is going to damage the indicator in the future.

I am fumbling around with the idea Wylted could be scum teamed with Wryly potentially hard bussing. Not waiting for a claim and hammering the day early preventing further interaction looks bad. But I also see a "Is it too scummy to be scum" kinda argument there. Are they that brazen as scum to make such a play?

Oh fuck. I guess we are in twilight? Still duno how much of a thing that is here or if I need to shut up right now.

Giving the game a fresh readthrough it looks like people are confused on if I was talking about post #2 D1 or WF's second post. Literally this

And in general, everyone should be more hesitant to claim their characters this time around, even if you think the connection to the role isn't obvious (mine certainly isn't).

I feel this is very clear but now I understand a little better why people saw my view as unreasonable. I was kinda scratching my head how everyone did not pick up on this especially post flip. I think noted it immediately the first time I read it and still feel its super blatantly saying "I have a PR and it does not line up well with my flavor." Simply put Citizen should line up with just about anything but maybe Bruce Almighty?

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/8/2026 at 8:08 AM (post #119)

Originally Posted by wylted on 08/11/2026 at 15:07 (post #118)

Why would I be in anyones poe from not postinf? I would just get replaced nigga, I nearly was

so POE stands for process of elimination. that means those standing outside of your town reads. you would be there because it's not enough posts to get a town read from.

I’m well aware of what it stands for, why would I be in anyones poe if I’m slotted to be replaced?

I think by definition a PoE does not need a reason for you to be included in that pool. It literally just means you do not have a reason to be excluded from that pool. While I generally dislike considering potential replacements I very much disagree that should even slightly effect a PoE read

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/7/2026 at 8:12 PM (post #81)

I want a claim from Mago and if we don't get one, we should just eliminate him.

I am more interested in making them participate and give reads than just demanding a claim. I have been saying it for a while but they are both the lowest activity and contribution slot in the game. I am not sure if I know of a single stance they have on anyone and may as well be an empty slot. If a policy did not put us at LYLO if they are town I would favor it. Also, we are in a very rough position unless we can get them to engage.

Not game related but small world. The concert you are at right now's lead sound engineer is my business partner. Kinda made me laugh

I am not sure that I get the Pie push. It is late and I just skimmed the thread catching up but I have not even seen someone make a case against them as votes pile.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/7/2026 at 9:16 AM (post #56)

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/7/2026 at 7:17 AM (post #55)

somebody give me a post count of everyone up until this point in page 2.

wryly- 79

wylted- 39

thoth- 39

wf- 34

banana-32

pie- 24

helz- 22

rex- 19

mago- 10

Hmm. Highest post count and I have the lowest understanding of what their reads are out of anyone but the lowest post count. Wild

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/7/2026 at 6:40 AM (post #52)

I have concerns about the NK and the D1 lynch.

nope, you don't get to have concerns when you refused to place a vote on anyone else making any other lynch impossible to secure

Nah. In my 3 posts D1 I said more than you did in all your activity D1. I knew I would not have the time those days or today which is why I reserved and I was clear about that.

Hell, As I keep pointing out I still have no clue what your reads are on players. So eh, what are your reads on players and why anyways?

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/7/2026 at 6:43 AM (post #53)

is helz sophisticated enough to pretend he didn't see dp1 op and overlooked every discussion this far of pie giving scum 4 claims 2 of which are safe and 2 unsafe and not telling them which is which?

also I suspect scum are his shittiest movies like sunshine of the eternal mind ..

also to claim he was never the bad guy in any is bullshit. he was the bad guy in all the sonic the hedgehog movies and arguably also in the moving man in the moon about Andy Kaufman who was publicly and notoriously an asshole while maintaining a mcdonalds career to stay level headed.

I do not know what you are getting at here but you are misrepresenting my words.

Yes I understand the anti-claim mechanic exists. What I do not understand is that really weird figure you voiced like you had been given a different list of flavor than me. I am town and I know what others should know. I do in fact pay critical attention to that sort of thing and what you voiced looked a bit like TMI. That I am not super hardline dedicated on. (Although its really weird you grab one of the only flips and point to it like it could be the scum movie. Either hypocritical or you are feigning ignorance here given what you said in this exact post)

And re-read my words. I voiced that the majority of Jim Carrys films he is not clearly a good or bad guy. I do not want to coach scum here but just consider one of his more popular movies

Fun with Dick and Jane. Dude is some scumbag executive working for a large corporation and gets laid off. Then turns around and starts a life of crime to support his lifestyle like a piece of shit. In the end he takes down the big bad CEO of the ugly company. I could not begin to say if that makes him good or evil.

Go though his movies and its the typical trend. Him being an awful person but doing 'something' moral at some point. Then look at the flips. Eternal Sunshine and Yes Man. Neither seem to me like he is a good or bad guy. I absolutely never claimed he was never the bad guy. Off the top of my head consider Batman Forever, The Cable guy, or The Grinch. I did say I am struggling to see what the split is given the ambiguity of the overwhelming majority of his roles. He is typically an eccentric piece of shit of a person in his films even when he has some life learning bit in the end or he ends up doing one thing right.

(again, because I am obligated to over explain everything)

If I consider the dude has 57 films and the Anti-claim is 4 films with 2 already existing in the game its kinda useless which I voiced D1. While I am not opposed to flavor hunting I simply do not see logic in it with the information we have. You pushing that people need to give flavor is weird to me and feels like scum nervous about getting screwed by making a bad claim.

I hope others look into you. I will simply summarize my feelings on you-

I dislike that you are so inconsistent about flavor. You started D1 discounting it and then progressed to unpacking it and pushing for it. Now although you were so seemingly focused on it you look like you are faking ignorance referencing a flipped town flavor as a potential scum flavor. (I would encourage everyone to look through their D1 #3, #16, #28 for that progression.)

The odds you threw out are super weird and makes me question if you were given information I was not. It really looks that way to me. Its such a strange assertion to ignore the amount of films Jim Carry was in and replace it with the figure of the amount of players that it looks very much like a TMI logic jump.

I dislike that you seemed like you had TMI on Rex in 77 and the following logic. The logic jump to instead of focusing on their specific meta you focus on site meta is odd given its such a player specific focus. While site meta has its uses I woulda expected to see more of a "Look at Rex did here" sorta mind set than a "Well has this happened on the site" mindset. To be more specific The prior I absolutely expect 100% with the second bit being a supporting consideration. Ignoring individual meta while arguing site meta just seems as unnatural to me as assuming the player base is the entire cap of movies that exist. I do not follow the thought process.

I very much do not like how active you are and how little I understand your positions. I did Iso you last night and basically viewed you as slightly town leaning Banana and having a hard town position on Rex. Ehh... Ok.. So how about everyone else? You can be critical of my participation but I have an entire life and companies to run. With the little time I had I gave everything I could and made many specific original points. Shading me misrepresenting my posts then saying "We should lynch a lurker" I feel you are in that pool man.

Allow me to quote what I feel was your most substantial post of D1-

Ah, Pie already said like Masons for instance. Hadn't reread that far.

Aside from Rex and Thoth, basically all I have to go on for anyone else is vibes, and I really hate going on vibes. I always sus whiteflame and Pie, so I don't trust my gut on either of them. There's not much to go on for Helz or Mago, and wylted is eh. I have a good feeling about Nana but I always have a good feeling about Nana.

This has to be one of the most non-committal read lists I have ever seen. Yes it is still D1. But that is a word salad of "I think this but I dont" backtracking in 1 post.

I have 5 meetings today. That is a lot even for me so I will not be around much. I do not do the phone posting thing. But I am unhappy with the overall direction of the game and wanted to put in the leg work to create some starting point when I jumped in and saw how dead we were going into D2. I will make it a point to be very active Sunday. Expect little from me in the next 12 hours or so but consider my words. Wryly looks bad to me. I need to dig back through Banana and we need to get Mag to engage. I am not sure if we can afford a policy lynch but they have to be shoved to jump in.

Side question for others- Do scum typically get a list of whats possible on this site?

I am not following.

Scum were given 4 characters with 2 being in the game. Sure.

From an actor with 57 films. How is that not 2 out of 57 chance of helping them?

I will have very limited participation over the next 24 hours but please- lets not have another D1. Lets shove people and fight to get reads. We are on a bad path and I have concerns about the NK and the D1 lynch.

Sunday I will be able to dive in with both hands and interact. Lets push though. The gamestate looks awful for us

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/7/2026 at 1:57 AM (post #41)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/7/2026 at 12:38 AM (post #38)

Maybe. I just have very limited time. Will be gone for like the next 24 hours and I am not happy with how the game is going. I want to shove somewhere and get this rolling so we do not have another apathetic D1. I will remind everyone that a no-lynch gives the town another day as well. While I really think I am onto something with Wryly / Banana I do think we should consider this before just fumbling down some road because there is no better option which looks like how D1 went.

so your theory behind me and wryly being a scum team is blatant teaming and not even trying to hide it? also u realize neither of us voted you right? i just pointed out something that seemed suspicious to me is all, wasnt an iron clad case. ur reaction to it is more suspicious than the initial thing ever was. also neither of us even voted you and wrylys comment on it was way lesser than mine, she more or less admitted only that she didnt see the "power role" thing either. you painting us as a scum team over that just seems a bit over reactionary to me.

You are either reading what I said poorly or I said things poorly. I literally argued that you are not W/W and that you are likely T/W. May want to go back and revisit my words.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/7/2026 at 1:48 AM (post #39)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/7/2026 at 2:16 AM (post #33)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/7/2026 at 12:53 AM (post #31)

So there's a 2 out of 7 chance scum just got one or more characters on their fake claim list crossed off with those two flips. Odds are still good that if we press someone for a claim it could put scum on the spot. And this time, we need to be sure that whoever we decide to lynch we get a character claim from.

Was this a TMI slip?

Do you have a finite amount of films in the list to know what is possible that you can explain? This seems like a very strange assertion

(Again to over explain)

For Wryly to take the logic jump to say its specifically 2/7 chance of a fake claim list getting removed it would suggest they know what the odds of included movies are. I did glance through D1 on what Jim Carry films existed and it was a total mess. A ton were cameos and weird support role projects. Even roughly skimming the top films I rarely found a role that was a 'good guy' or a 'bad guy' or anything else I could see as a split.

My thinking here boils down to how it would be remotely possible to designate the ratio of a fake claim list without more information than I was given as a player. This is a red flag.

There were 7 town players and 2 just flipped, so there is a 2 out of 7 chance they were on the fake claim list Lunatic gave scum. I suppose it might be more accurate to say they each had a 1 out of 7 chance of being on the list, but what have you.

Why 7/2?

Jim Carry has been in 57 films. If I were to quantify the likelihood of the anticlaim being touched before considering the films he was in and what would be valid for something in this game it would not be that simple targeting flavor. You are behaving as if you thought he only acted in as many films as we have players which makes me wonder if you got some sorta list of what films exist that I did not.

Maybe. I just have very limited time. Will be gone for like the next 24 hours and I am not happy with how the game is going. I want to shove somewhere and get this rolling so we do not have another apathetic D1. I will remind everyone that a no-lynch gives the town another day as well. While I really think I am onto something with Wryly / Banana I do think we should consider this before just fumbling down some road because there is no better option which looks like how D1 went.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/7/2026 at 1:26 AM (post #35)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/6/2026 at 11:19 PM (post #28)

I am not sure what else someone could have taken other than they are a PR. If I was scum it would have motivated me to kill them but putting on a scum hat to break down what I would think; them being some PR would be a lesser focus because a critical role would be more subtle at their skill level. They eneded up being a potentially damaging role to town but I figured someone would recognize the openly voiced claim there.

Like, they were obviously outing themselves to the point I would have been paranoid that they were a vet/pgo or something if I was scum. The scum taking that kill shows either ignorance on their part reading players as well as reading the collective opinion of the town or it suggest they had some way to ensure their move went through.

We should circle back to WF's reads. They were open in their thoughts.

that seems like a pretty big leap, and im struggling to find why town would look into something like that as much as scum would

First post of the game I ended up reading over and over. I am not sure how other people did not see that potential immediately.

Would I as scum be so open about recognizing it right after they were killed? What sense does that make?

People playing dumb looking at it after the fact should see it as obvious at the very least even if it makes me a mafia snob for arguing how obvious I felt it was. But really, I get you thinking scum would PR hunt and town would be less inclined. I feel you should consider my experience picking up on the post but let me directly ask you- What do you think about Wryly saying its not even something not even reasonable to be seen after the fact? I feel thats kinda nuts. I can get overlooking the obvious indicator but saying that its unreasonable for someone to even recognize such a thing is wild before you consider how stupid it would be for someone to kill a slot then make a case for how they could have motive to kill them.

I would like your opinion on Wryly and their weird certainty of a specific ratio of claims to make a ratio as well as their opinion that post flip they do not see PR flagging.

VTL: Wryly

I think there is a scum between Banana vs Wryly. I think this just looks like Wryly is it capitalizing on Banana's position.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/7/2026 at 12:53 AM (post #31)

So there's a 2 out of 7 chance scum just got one or more characters on their fake claim list crossed off with those two flips. Odds are still good that if we press someone for a claim it could put scum on the spot. And this time, we need to be sure that whoever we decide to lynch we get a character claim from.

Was this a TMI slip?

Do you have a finite amount of films in the list to know what is possible that you can explain? This seems like a very strange assertion

(Again to over explain)

For Wryly to take the logic jump to say its specifically 2/7 chance of a fake claim list getting removed it would suggest they know what the odds of included movies are. I did glance through D1 on what Jim Carry films existed and it was a total mess. A ton were cameos and weird support role projects. Even roughly skimming the top films I rarely found a role that was a 'good guy' or a 'bad guy' or anything else I could see as a split.

My thinking here boils down to how it would be remotely possible to designate the ratio of a fake claim list without more information than I was given as a player. This is a red flag.

Maybe I have just played too much mafia at this point. My snap reaction I think the first time I read that post was "oh, they are a PR or baiting as a PR."

Which I get either. PGO has a reason to bait as a PR to kill people targeting them while a vanilla has reason to bait the kill pretending to be a PR if they understand how the game works.

I am certainly a little paranoid about Wryly but I struggle to believe someone can not re-read that D1 post and recognize a PR potential. Lets look at the post-

Everyone, please note where it says that scum were given 4 character claims and don't know which two are in the game. Even if you are SOP claiming, please hold off on claiming your character until we can all decide if it's necessary. And in general, everyone should be more hesitant to claim their characters this time around, even if you think the connection to the role isn't obvious (mine certainly isn't).

Note the last bit. "even if you think the connection to the role isn't obvious (mine certainly isn't)."

This screams "I am a PR" in the very most basic way and is like the first post in the thread. Saying they did not recognize it is one thing. Acting like its not super obvious and scummy looks more like painting people as scum than scum hunting. Its just such an absurd thought process I do not really connect with it. While I have suspected both Wryly and Banana so far it would be an odd move for a scum team to both punch the same talking point so directly here. Could be that they just got done in a scum chat and decided on a push but I am thinking about how such a team would reach such a decision.

To overexplain again (just doing my challenge) if a S! Banana and S! Wryly were teamed and they were in a D2 where they could win D3 after shoving a hammer such an aligned push this early makes little sense. If I was scum I would basically shut the fuck up and let the game be dead right now. Much less coordinate a push with my team mate.

Then Wryly did not seem to have a hard take on Thoth but voted while Banana had a position that Thoth was scum in 183 yet they voted off train. Could be TMI Banana? Maybe they are framing my recognizing WF as a PR as scummy as well to paint as they distance from the issue and pushing TvT situations? This kinda makes more sense to me than them being directly aligned which puts Wryly and Banana into more of a TvW than a WvW situation if that makes sense. But in pretty much every situation I do still suspect one or the other is creating the narrative or capitalizing on it.

Granted I do have my bias. I feel its stupid obvious that post screamed "I am a power role" but while I just pick things up without thinking Wryly saying its unreasonable to pick up on that feels truly absurd to me. With it being pointed out I figure everyone should recognize they essentially soft claimed a PR right there. While Banana's D1 looks worse than Wryly's I do have to say that Wryly's position seems more unreasonable than the question Banana posited.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/7/2026 at 12:02 AM (post #27)

i think in general, scum have more incentive to be looking into stuff like that and sussing out who is softing power roles also. i dont see much of a reason town would look into that statement by wf...

I feel like it is seriously obvious as fuck. And its like the first post of the game. Duno what you are on about.

I am not sure what else someone could have taken other than they are a PR. If I was scum it would have motivated me to kill them but putting on a scum hat to break down what I would think; them being some PR would be a lesser focus because a critical role would be more subtle at their skill level. They eneded up being a potentially damaging role to town but I figured someone would recognize the openly voiced claim there.

Like, they were obviously outing themselves to the point I would have been paranoid that they were a vet/pgo or something if I was scum. The scum taking that kill shows either ignorance on their part reading players as well as reading the collective opinion of the town or it suggest they had some way to ensure their move went through.

We should circle back to WF's reads. They were open in their thoughts.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/6/2026 at 11:51 PM (post #20)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 11/6/2026 at 10:39 PM (post #19)

The Whiteflame kill is very interesting. I’m curious what everyone thinks about why. I have my own theories

i was just wondering about it.

few options come to mind. 1stoption is the simplest, that he was a fear kill since hes known to be a good playr. 2nd is that they thought he was a power role. the only real hint i can see of why they would think that is he was resistant to wanting the mass claim in his response to wrylys pro con list. the 3rd is more consipiracy based and revolves around one or both of mago or wylted potentially being scum, since he had fos'ed both at one point. if either felt he was a threat they would have incntive to carry the night kill on him.

D1 Post #2 they basically outed as some kinda pr. I doubt I was the only person to notice this. They were not even slightly subtle about it.

Wtf is this day start. I hate it.

I am going to try to catch up before calling it a night. My tomorrow is pretty fucked but my Sunday I can finally really dive in. We need to get some direction other than foot pics and gambits. I do not think we broke RVS well and I am to blame for that as well but it is what it is.

On Thoth's flip I feel like we should revisit the train and reasoning given the lack of elimination would ensure a D4 for town as well as the cross of miller and BD in the same game. Granted Rex reaction was excellent but it was also a very obvious RT. On the other side I do see the scum wanting to gun hard for a BD kill in this size of game. Unless they have some wild mechanic I have not seen to screw with redirection (and again, I always bitch about this but the lack of an OoO is an issue here) I see very strong scum motivation to see the Thoth lynch happen.

The kill on WF is interesting. I would have expected them to be protected or watched. Or at least expect the scum to be paranoid enough about that to not target them. D1 I woulda expected Pie or WF to be protected given how they were viewed. I do not see any real potential in this size of game for the kill to have been diverted from Pie to WF. Unless Pie flips some kinda mafia beguiler or such (I think some sites call it a hider off the top of my head?) I am thinking some kinda godshot / strongman action as a D1 on WF. Theory crafting but its whats on my mind and I am obligated to over explain.

I specifically want a better understanding of Mag and Wylted's reads. In the small amount of time I have had to look into the games and what my challenge is I have been taking notes and I see a lack of positions from both players that should be clarified.

Some quick thoughts as I am starting my day and squeezed in some time to catch up on the thread-

In general reading up I am lacking any real understanding of Mag, Wylted or Thoth's positions on players which I dislike. Thoth having that lack stuck out to me given how active they have been. IIoA comes to mind as I see a lot of interaction thats focused on claims and defense without the substantial reads and hunting. Everyone is critical of their claim. I feel like a town BD is a very reasonable balance to games that counters a strong scum team as well as potentially nerfs town early and buffs us late game. I think people should skim their ISO and see what I mean there.

Banana is starting to ping me more. Usually my thoughts line up with theirs very well and while I am not looking as deep as normal I am seeing points I do not understand. Its from memory and a gut read so not worth much but they just feel different to me in that I am not constantly reading their words and thinking I could have been the one to say them. The mind meld is just not here this game.

Mag needs to give more info. I am also crazy busy with life but they are kinda a blank slot by memory. I do not really remember a single stance from them on a player.

Rex feels a bit paranoid looking at their 128 wall. Seems like almost everyone is either neutral or scum and I am not even sure what to think of their take on Wylted there. Comes with zero reasoning which does nothing to help me understand what they are looking at or why they feel the way they do but while I think I was their only town lean I specifically was looking at that as I skimmed them. Not seeing much to change my view and found it slightly odd everyone just obsessed about the miller claim and did not really examine their positions.

On that miller claim, Something I have wondered is if a town BD and a town Miller could exist in such a small game. They are 2 separate utilities that effectively nerf town suggesting we must have a very OP town behind it or simply that one of the two is scum. Something to consider.

I still like WF. Solid reasoning I mindmeld with even if I am still just paranoid about them.

Nothing has really changed with my view of Wryly other than wanting a stronger understanding of their positions. They are around and interacting but from memory I am not any closer to really understanding where they are coming from. Their #210 seems like the closest breakdown of their reads and it felt super noncommittal. Not really any hard stance or solid reasoning. Just kinda throwing out a vague stance on everyone that may as well blow away with the wind.

Anyways. Thats whats on the top of my head. I will try to get back in before days end but duno how my day will go.

Just because I decided to overexplain everything this game and did not very specifically line it out- My view on Wryly is that its potentially TMI giving a town read because they could be spoiled scum handing town cred with a conclusion that does not match reasoning.

If they are scum they know if Rex is town or scum. They are grabbing a piece I could have seen a town individual looking at and applying meta reasoning to solve Rex but instead they are making angled arguments about if the entire site would make a play? To get super nerdy I would expect someone's mindset hunting to look at an individual and question what they would do. While an argument about site meta does carry anecdotal experience I just find it strange that their mind would jump to external justification of the entire sites patterns while giving such a confident read. That thought process feels like it could come from someone justifying a position with logic more than someone creating a position from logic if that makes sense. Place yourself in Wrylys shoes and consider how they reasoned this position out.

For D1 unless I have time to jump back in before days end and something changes I am mostly considering Wryly or Thoth. I am honestly not thrilled about how we have handled breaking RVS today but its not like I did much to help there.

Working. As I said I did not expect this game to start for a few days and even with that assumption I was not sure if I should sign up. This is what I see so far-

The Flavor issue I do not see as that helpful. I did skim Jim Carry's most popular 30 films or so and he is such an erratic actor the majority of them its hard to place him as the good or bad guy. He is often a fuck up and a bad person who somehow does something kinda good in the end. I would explain what I saw more specifically but I feel it would just coach the mafia and be counter productive although I did spend a bit of time on it.

The mass role claim I am not a fan of. Again- to tie a specific role to Jim Carry's behavior in a movie is a mess. Then we would also just hand the mafia a map to kill outing our invests and functions that can stop a kill. And all we get to bet on is a conflicting claim. I just do not see it as a good D1 move.

I did like WFs attention to the process of a mass claim. #96 and #102 looked good to me. I also do have the bias that I generally follow their logic very easily and our play styles match up. They do have the bandwith as a player to make that same level of reasoning as scum so its between very soft town indicator to just NAI. Such are D1 reads

ILikePie5 I have decent feelings about their push on Thoth. Specifically while its opportunistic my meta read on them would be they do not pull punches and shove for advantage as they see it and wanting Thoth to claim to sort them lines up with what I expect from a T! Pie. I also noted that they did not really hammer on Thoth painting them but instead just had a specific reason and focused on it. A while back looking through Pies scum games I did feel they throw the kitchen sink at people as scum grabbing all sorts of positions while as town they are generally more laser focused on a specific issue.

Wryly I do not feel great about. They are initially anti flavor but without great reasoning in #3. I personally do not see the anti-claim mechanic as that impactful in any way but we can simply agree to disagree there. They then pivot from #16 being passively ok with a mass claim into #28 really diving in hard. Then their takes on Rex feel bad. Of very specific note starting in #77 they are shoving that Rex is town because of the miller claim but they are not doing it because "Rex" would not claim miller as scum. Its like a site meta argument thing? That just feels weird to me. Like, I am playing on this site and god help the poor bastard who assumes I would not do something. I have also seen really wild bussing thats rarely seen on other sites here.

Point being that it would have made more sense to me if their argument was S! Rex would not make such a play. It would speak to a mindset of a player examining and individual based upon their actions and drawing a conclusion. The argument that its not site meta is... Ehhh... Fucking weird? This is one of the things that pinged me reading through the thread.

Onto Rex their line is consistant. The 2 issues raised were them not reading their PM for a bit and their miller claim. On the miller side its NAI for me. I do not know them well enough to know the latitude of their plays. I can simply say I have claimed miller as scum and thought nothing of it but I do not have reason to view them and say they would or would not do such a thing. To the other piece what they voiced about the phone makes sense to me. I am not quite sure how to articulate this but such very specific odd details voiced in mafia I have not seen as a lie. Generally the lies people tell are suppose to be convincing. Dude has a phone that does not run discord? Yeah, thats weird. But its one of the few times I will say "Too scummy to be scum" in that its just not a lie I would expect scum to make. While also it does not give me faith that they are town I simply believe this was a true statement and will move on from it.

Thoth is of note. The initial push for a mass claim is something I disagree with as a strategy. But it would take some massive balls to push that as scum. From my soft lizard brain vibes feels that looks more like a T! Thoth to me. But then they kinda dance around the subject which I dislike. They walk back the issue in #106 from pushing it as a real legit strategy into "Well I was just presenting an option" kinda deal. Now while that in itself was one of those 'ehhh' kinda deals the other piece that caught my attention was their progression on Rex. #87 is a holy shit this is so fucking TMI omg kinda post. Then their #111 backs it off to a soft suspicion. This is two potentially inconstant thought lines I noted reading through the thread.

Anyways. Some of what I got skimming a bit. Expect me to participate in bursts for the initial day cycle or two. This day in particular is a problem for my real life obligations and I am seriously pushing myself as far as the hours I am working. I will not have time for a bit to just be active and interact.