Helz

Make them. Pick whoever to kill in the game but you are confirmed town and force them to follow your word. This removes Mafias decision and instead they have to pick between town choices.

Oh, I am very fine with using my own brain.

I just am pushing to you and Lunitic that you could create advantage by forcing everyone in a specific direction. How often do you get a game with 2 confirmed town?

TMI is too much information. It refers to someone knowing something they should not possibly know.

An example is like if your mafia and your teamed with an invest mafia and in scum chat they tell you a result and you say that result in public chat. Then people say "Wait, how the fuck could you have known that before they said it publicly"

It kills their advantage. If I was scum right now I would be preaching to my team how we do not need 9 votes to lynch but rather 5 as the vote count does not matter but rather the difference in town vs scum votes and it only matters how you justify your vote

My position here is that if we get the town on board with sheeping you or Lunatic scums advantage is removed. They must pick between one of your choices and can not drive their own train. Also means they are forced onto one of two trains which can be looked at post flip.

Im not opposed to it at all. Do you feel I should dig into them?

I would not doubt it in the slightest. While I hate the reasoning I have Mestari is one of 3 people I will never vote today and it does look like an opportunistic push imo.

Also would not mind hearing that both of you never again voice your recruitments until end game with a reason. Not trying to be a dick but I think thats healthy for the integrity of the game and you should make whoever your going to put in your place understand why its important.

N0 recruitment was suppose to give us 6 effective PR's and we got 4. We do not have a good start.

Fair. Would be good to have a train and counter train just so a decision gets made by people.

I do think from a silly statistical standpoint you two deciding what happens is a strong move though

So this game has a huge advantage for D1 in a single respect. That there is two confirmed town.

What if we get the entire player base on board with sheeping whatever vote one of the two of you decide? This would undercut any Mafia counter train from existing and as a strategy (right or wrong) would place the lynch in the hands of a town.

Do you to feel this is a good idea? Can we pressure players to follow through with this?

So independent of me finishing myself off and all that as I try to look good for the town, you are one of my 3 hard town pegs. Who do you feel I should be looking at?

Look at the scummy ones. I have talked at length multiple times about wanting to eat your children and elderly as a wolf. What the fuck do I need to do to bait a scum read out of this community!?

Apply WIFOM as necessary~

Well you opened up in post 3 pushing the narrative that Mestari must be scum. Then 367 you unvote. That was a good look on you but also 383 you had a weird interaction saying you never glaze Tim while doing exactly that. 401 you TR Mestari without reasoning and also cast suspicion on Thoth without reasoning.

502 you invalidate my concerns on you in some respects but you over react to pressure here. Following up after you are very focused on my attention of you which feels very survival focused. You also voice you want hard interactions but when given the opportunity to have them I saw little actual desire outside of "What makes you think I am scum"

There are tangential positional functions I am looking at and I quite honestly dislike how genuine your response to me just now was even if it did have counter OMGUS notes but thats a me problem.

For a clarifying question what in your head evolved your read on Mestari? This would help me quite a bit sorting you.

Understood. You said you wanted to ask me some questions and wanted me to be around to interact with you. So what would you like to know?

I for one am super interested in hearing your thoughts.

Well up front I would be very interested in hearing what your takes are. Top 3 scum and top 3 town with reasoning (excluding the obvious 2 confirmed town)

I would rather not say for the moment. Was hoping to sort Alyssa and Thoth today. Feeling much better about Thoth but Alyssa demanded interaction which I have made myself available for and I am waiting for them to pop up to unpack some questions

I think this is healthy. If we get players to post a towncore or POE lynch pool we will have very strong material to work with later.

I have my own thing in the works but am kinda watching and waiting for reasons as I do not just want to be sheeped

To clarify literally does not even matter how good or bad their reasoning is. Just them taking a position reflects patterns that can be identified.

So rant on mafia play-

Even if a player does not see any value in D1 and has no ability to hunt in D1 forcing them to take 'a position' holds value. This is the entire creation of mafia that hidden information could be identified within groups as positions are taken. For a history lesson Dimitry Davidoff was the founder of the concept of mafia using the format as an exercise to show in psychology how hidden information could be identified. Students ran with it and created Mafia/Werewolf

But the crux of his entire doctorate level class was that the difference exists and patterns reflect things. Was a foundation of sociometrics and other factors I will not bore you with explaining.

But 100% we should demand people take positions and lock them into those positions so we can post flip assign value to what their position was and nail down the fake reasoning. This is the core of mafia imo.

/rant

So my view is that I want players to take hard stances against other players so post flip we can look back and examine who was for or against a lynch that resulted in a Mafia/Town being killed.

I want that information very very much. Its what gives the flip any value. If we are not going to do that lets just vote to skip.

And we have lurkers who have basically given nothing in any way and I hate that. I want to hear them take positions on slots. Until they do so they are utterly worthless. The more hard positions players take on slots the more I can tear this game apart. Might be useless information to you but there is no loss letting the game go on to allow that information to come out and I very much want it.

Do you think such a thing exists? That there is one of our two guild leaders who is Mafia faking their position and somehow has not been counter claimed?

Im against ending the day. I want to see more from our sleepers and I want to see what Alyssa has to say when they engage.

So to be blunt I think CFD's are a bad play in general. I have accepted that they do exist so I try to preface their existence allowing for positions to be taken prior to them happening at this point. Nothing is more worthless than a town flip D1 from a CFD where nobody took real stances on that player (Which I have seen over and over and over)

I doubt my role and character make sense together. But I also have not seen the show.

I do not want to burn 12 hours of my life watching something just for context to play this game but I do question the connection between the two

Chinese fire drill.

Its where you get to end of day (EOD) and just ask everyone "So this train is not great, want to just all flop onto this person" and you get a mass shift in votes speed hammering an unpressured slot.

I like to address it early so you do not have a person just blindly hammered. They are busy and such sure- do they ever come to the table and deliver though? Kinda between very low value town and scum atm and your referencing a lurker activity when they rolled scum.

So at the risk of doing the strawman thing how I would summarize Banana so far is popping in the thread and saying "OMG there is lots of postsssss... I want to talk about how many posts there are over and over" without actually taking a stance on much of anything.

Maybe a player struggling with game tempo. Also I would shrug at them being a CFD option EOD.

Would I be going after LHF if I said that Banana is totally in my elimination pool? (Pun intended)

Apparently spoilers do not work here or I screwed it up. Sorry, Ignore my previous post. Totally not game related.

Im gona try to throw this one behind a spoiler because its not game related. And I do think further discussion on this subject should be had outside of the game.

[Spoiler=Cut] So I am legit socially retarded as far as the clinical definition. I have worked on it for years and all that with over a decade of having a speech therapist teaching me how to interact with normal people. I am also gifted cognitively and am a Mensa member easily passing as a genius on IQ tests. I hold the personal opinion that such tests are totally fucked. Measuring specific metrics of someone's ability does not voice how capable they are but rather how capable they are in measured areas.

I also chronically face issues in social settings. Right now I am facing some bullshit where I am guiltily of being autistic on MS and I got a ban from MU for saying things weirdly and then fucking with the egos of some people in leadership as I hardline argued right is right and rules exist that they ignored. Im use to taking shit for my condition.

Your standard WAIS or WISC or Ravens all focus on pattern recognition and memory/spatial ability. That means about jack shit to me. I have close friends who could not solve the quadratic equation if their life depended on it yet they are able to create insane art in ways that blow my mind or tear down a motor and rebuild it while my dumbass would be referencing TM's for days unpacking technicalities.

That said, I feel its less of a question of if you are smart and more of a question of how you are smart. I am sorry if I offended you in some way but I hold no issue. I appreciate that you have your struggles and will keep it in mind. We should really continue this conversation out of the game though if we are going down this road. Im totally open to talking with you about stuffs but this is probably not the place for it. [/spoiler]