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Yes, and they knew it was a numbers game. I recognize they took a big risk claiming that Vader received it, but they already had good reason to believe you hadn't (you would have announced it in one of those first few posts), so they only had to bank on a 1 in 3 chance. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen someone play the odds to get townread with a ballsy claim.

But why take the risk is my point. He could’ve just as easily said that he directed Kohai to Pie without saying anything about the Rolecop. That still implicates you. REF was dying today no matter what. He was clearly the original scum, and based on OP, we know the recruit carried out the kill. And the recruit couldn’t have been Kohai. I’m basically confirmed town. So that leaves you. Doesn’t make sense to yolo

/in

It was obvious at the end of the last DP that Rex was scum based on the info that Wryly provided, so I guess the TP gave him up. That also makes Kohai locktown since Wryly also said that one of the characters on that list was real, which at this point can only be him. Rex has pretty clearly given up defending himself, so he's going to be the given as a lynch this DP.

I think everyone agrees that REF is scum here.

As for the second scum, it comes down to Vader for me at this point. Claiming he used the Role Cop on Rex is pushing the bus pretty hard, but makes a lot of sense when it was already obvious that Rex was scum. He clearly came into this DP knowing that much, as did his partner. Scum killed Mharman, so they could just have eliminated the Role Cop target and Vader just claimed it to push my lynch next DP.

So you’re arguing that scum got lucky by killing Mharman who had the role copied (which they wouldn’t have known btw) and they just yoloed the Rolecop first thing without anyone saying anything?

Regarding the read on me, I'll point out that I could have won this game for scum just by choosing to lynch Pie instead of Wryly last DP. You guys put that up to me entirely to make the decision, and scum apparently shared the fake character claim list with Wryly so they would have known Wryly was lying about her character claim at minimum. All I would have to have done is hammer Pie and then Wryly would have been the auto-lynch when Pie's flip was confirmed this DP. It would be a baffling choice to give up my chance at an easy win.

Yes, I was thinking about this. This is my only source of hesitation at the moment

Though I should get some credit for having outted castin by asking her to clam. If I didn’t she would have flown under the radar this entire game. 

Bruh bffr, you just asked her if she had claimed or not. You didn’t ask her to claim

I also don't have any redirects left. Realistically if we assume WF is the last scum he can't kill Pie, so he's either going to have to kill me or Kohai, which I think will likely be me. I was thinking about saving the redirect for next NP even when I got the ability, but we can at least get some form of an idea who scum is at this point

Unless Wryly was fucking with us, Kohai 100% dies tonight.

Also I think the insta 1v1 between Kohai and Rex is pretty indicative of Kohai town, don't think scum would jump to that 1v1

If we lose we lose at this point, but I'm like 100% certain we won this game unless WF has some god ability

Unless the team is exactly REF/Kohai, Kohai has to be town here. Remember what Wryly said at the end of last DP.

The same list of 4 names was given to scum and TP with the knowledge that one of those names was a true town role. Kohai was the first one to claim one of those names, which makes no sense to do from an OG scum perspective. It only makes sense if he was the recruit and was recruited by REF.

A Kohai/REF scum team knows 100% that Wryly is the TP, so they obviously lynch Pie.

4-2-1 goes to 2-2-1. Here they lynch Wryly or ally with her.

Bottomline, Kohai has to be town here unless they’re just retarded.

Wonderful so that leaves Vader vs WF in a head to head.

Also I redirected Kohai onto Pie. Since Pie is the BP if there was no NK in the night it would indicate Kohai is scum and I blocked the kill

Rex and WF gg ez

Fair enough.

Alright here we go

I got the Rolecop last night and rolecopped Rex as mafia

he is Kyubey and he is an escape wolf

What does Escape Wolf do?

I think it’s a forgone conclusion that REF is scum at this point. So now the question is who is the recruit?

Damn, scum really hate Mharman

Love you Weyly, feel better!

Literally just quit mafia lmao

2 BPs and a Doctor in the game lmfao. Literally dogshit

Read what she said lol

Feel silly dumbass, you’re an idiot

No it wasn't. You just wanted to get a few points out of the way, You didn't hesitate to vote

Ya and here I wanted to make sure I read right, and then she said she was leaving.

Youre also ignoring that I softed long before with WF. That I wanted to claim DP4 (now you know it’s cause I wanted to bait the NK). And I wanted to be rolecopped

VTL Pie

Whiteflame it's your decision. I don't like either wagon but I also don't want to be the one who hammers wrong

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This was your first post after Thoth claimed in Suikoden. The only reason you didn't instantly clarify your obvious CC was that you wanted to hit a few points. Herdly a delay.

Okay and? It’s still a delay before I said I am CCing Thoth.

Fuck it. I'm more and more convinced that this is town vs town and they're both actually 1x bullet proof. From a game balanced POV with killing and recruting mechanisms town needs more protection from night kills. We already have a doctor + 1 bp so there's no reason to think a second bp can't exits.

Im going to make it really easy for you. The lynch today is Pie or Wryly. There is no third option today. I am not changing my vote ever for the rest of the game.

That's fair. Then again it was super easy to fuck up and mikal almost fucked it up also. We have very few posts from her to compare her play to 

Exactly, which is why I’m saying you have to compare something against a control. Basic science really. Even I’ll admit I was fooled.

True but it seems odd that 2/3 are in the game.

It could be from a hint that Thoth gave about a fake character.

Assume both of you are actually town. Who is the likely scum?

If Wryly flips town here, I am asking Thoth to replace me. I’m not moving my vote off of Wryly. Period

nice omgus lol

It’s obvious to anyone with eyes. You were hard defending Wryly with bogus arguments that you just admitted were bogus

If castin is scum then I have to believe they played a nearly perfect game and blundered the fake claim. I will then have to believe that either they were recruited or they are OG scum and Kyosuke isn't actually in the game. If castin was originally town then I don't see them claiming anything other than their original role.

In her recent scum game she literally blundered by saying 2 words she wasn’t supposed to say (she got blown up because of it)

Ive explained that it’s not a guarantee that Kyosuke is in the game

I'm not sure I like magic's sudden pivot to wryly

He's trying to save face lol. Probably the recruit

Oh also. Do neither of you find it odd that Mharman2 is hard defending Wryly. All the arguments are primarily him, not her.

It is still a little weird that I pointed to Vader being an X-shot while no one else had claimed one and you responded affirmatively. I get that one's a passive role and one's active, but that wasn't the focus of that post. Maybe your response was more focused on it being specifically a 2X active role, but that didn't come across.

Sure it’s weird, but it’s just different interpretations. Like Kohai thinks this game is bastard.

My counter to this though is that I asked to claim DP4 (to bait the NK) and to be rolecopped for the reason that I was going to claim BP with a Doctor already flipped.

Kohai, if there are 2 of the same role in a game, ever, I will eat my hat. I will destroy my rig. I will host my own mafia game.

I will eat it with you lmao

Being un recruitable makes sense since she's a male character and her justification for why she's BP also checks out. And yours also does check out.

She’s assuming that’s why she’s unrecruitable (she said it doesn’t say that in her PM). It’s not a fact, and we have no verification of that. Plus she’s the outlier in the sense she’s the only male claimed.

Kyuubey is a man right. What if the hint given was that there are no men. She knows everyone is recruitable based on the mechanic. Put 2+2

If you’ve only seen her Town behavior, you have no comparison. No control group if we want to put it from a scientific perspective.

Just answer why I would CC here vs taking either the REF or Kohai lynches.

Also I was sus of Vader before the Witch thing was announced. I asked all of you what you thought about Vader long before

Overall their play has been extremely consistent and townie.

…compared to what? You only have her town play to compare against. That’s a false equivalency. I’ve capitalized on it a million times.

Her claims do check out both mechanically and canonically. 

Wym mechanically? And mine checks out canonically too

The whole “delayed CC” is a nothingburger

A) I had soft claimed I wanted to wait till DP3 to claim cause I wanted to bait the NK

B) When I was Barbarossa in REF’s game, I delayed CCed there too.