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The situation: As it stands, the choice for this DP was between Rex and Kohai. The case against Vader had been refuted, and any pressure against Whiteflame went nowhere. Wryly and I were firmly no-gos. The POE was Rex, Vader, and Kohai, with two scum. The problem is that town has three lynches and can win the game by lynching all three. This means that mafia needs to steal a DP. A successful sac CC works in scum's favor, since a DP spent lynching Wryly means town has to choose between Kohai and Rex in the final 3.

A) It wasn’t revealed at the beginning of the DP

B) We only have 2 lynches not 3

C) There wasn’t consensus in Pie/Kohai/REF

D) I always take a free Mislynch here, kill Mharman2, and the fight it out tomorrow.

The sudden push on Vader. At the start of the game, it was announced that scum has a target. Almost immediately, Pie was on Vader. Last DP, he concluded the OG scum was between Whiteflame and Rex, but this DP, he decided it was between Whiteflame and Vader, disregarding his original points on Vader.

A) It was revealed middle of DP

B) I explained why I disregarded and removed REF from my pile

C) I was questioning Vader BEFORE the witch thing was revealed. Go back and look

The unlikelihood of an organic CC. The recruited scum can just straight claim their character. And the original scum has fake claim help of some kind. Scum needs to have help that isn't a fake role, and needs to have wasted, and needs to have happened to choose a role that is in this game. It's unlikely.

There’s no guarantee scum got a fake role or any help toward a fake role. It’s just the same as any normal game

The disappearance. After Wryly claimed bulletproof, Pie asked "did you just claim bulletproof?" and then disappeared for a sec, and reappeared shortly to CC. Why not CC on the spot? I think this was Pie looking for a justification for his character being bulletproof, to CC Wryly with. Pie's defense was that he was just seeking clarification. The problem? Wryly claimed bulletproof explicitly. He has no need to seek any clarification.

I wanted to confirm. And if you recall, in the game I was Barbarossa, I waited to CC as well.

The x-shot discrepancy. Earlier, Pie had sussed Vader over having a 1x. But here, he says he has a 1x bulletproof. His defense was a pedantic difference between passive and active, which I am not buying. If he had 1x of any kind, it is bonkers that he wouldn't at least consider that Vader really is 2x. There's absolutely no reason to sus Vader over being 2x, unless the reasoning is motivated (see point 2).

BP is a passive role, not an active role. X-shot BP is not the same thing as X shot Watcher and Redirector

If castin is scum is she likely og or recruited?

It doesn’t really matter to me tbh because I’ve CCed her. But because of the CC, she is probably OG scum because recruited scum would’ve claimed what they originally had. She probably got information from Thoth towards a fake character claim, but not a role claim.

Intent to vote pie

I'm getting ready to go to focus on a debate argument and then go to bed. It's pretty much a given that if pie or castin flips town then the other is lynched tomorrow. Gun to my head I still think both are town, but I'm more confident on wryly being town than pie.

Are you autistic dude? Did you even read my argument? What’s my future after I get Wryly mislynched as scum?

Explain to me what the point of me CCing here is lmfao. Like use your brain dude. You know you’re fucking town. If I was scum I had an easy lynch on you.

This is literally the exact same shit as the other game where you hard threw. Holy shit. Use your fuckin brain.

If Wryly's OG scum, she's been town-telling exceptionally well almost all game long. If she's the recruit, then she's risking an awful lot by not claiming her actual role. If there's a strategy here that isn't just bastard modding that fucked her over, then I'm not seeing it.

We don’t know that scum got fake claims and/or roles. It’s possible they could have just received information to fake claims.

Also she’s played one game as scum and she blew it up herself. We don’t know what her scum behavior is.

We've been dismissing her because of her behavior, which now you need to reevaluate in light of the CC. Countless times someone reeks town but ends up scum (ie me ironically).

Make up your minds. WE have 90 minutes left in the day phase 

It ends at 12am CST, so we have 2.5 hours or 150 minutes

It's a bastard game anyway with alignment changing roles. 

I don’t think that’s bastard but you’re entitled to your opinion

The thing that bothers me the most is that if both pie and wryly are town and we lynch both then we lose the game. 

If we’re both town, I am blacklisting Thoth. I just told him that. It’s a bastard game if there are two people with the same role

I’m going to put both scum names in your PM in my game and see you defend them lol. But regardless you proved my point that it’s NAI. Tir was scum. And I think you explicitly stated in that game that you would townread whoever was Tir because you were his father

Jesus Christ if I'm OG why would I not just go with the flow and lynch Kohai, he's low-hanging fruit. Or Vader. The only one I went after was Rex, and I was the only vote on his wagon. The tide was not going that way.

Cause he’s your target :)

Purely based on behavior Wryly has been the most townie the entire game. She is 1000% not OG scum.

Ironically enough, the lack of change in behavior implies OG scum cause you can run the same behavior throughout the game vs being forced to change because you were recruited

I mean, pretty much the same thing, isn't it? I took "have you claimed yet" as basically a claim inquiry. The literal answer to Kohai's question was already common knowledge.

That is absolutely not the same thing lol

Few things to note: (1) My role card explicitly states that I develop a romantic interest with Kyosuke. This proves to me that (1) Kyosuke is in the game and (2) is most likely originally town aligned. From a flavor POV it also makes sense for Kyosuke to be unrecruitable. Since no one cc'd Kyosuke I'm inclined to believe them. They could be lying about being unrecruitable and was recruited n1, but this doesn't make much sense. They must be 100% original town and is not original scum. 

If I had a nickel for every time we have told you that just because there’s a name in your PM, does not mean they are town, I would be a millionaire.

He did when he claimed his character:

My character is Sayaka. My character has a really good sense of movement and flow because they appreciate classical music and are also energetic and open to change.

For Wryly, I didn't even see much pressure to claim, meaning that she decided to claim a role with plenty of towncred on the table already because... Pie asked I guess? 

No one asked her to claim. Kohai just asked if she had claimed.

I'm currently tin foiling two things:

(1) Wryly and pie are both town and town has a doctor + 2 1x bp town

(2) One of them is scum

(3) pie is scum and Wryly is the target that scum needs to lynch 

IMO I'm leaning towards option 1. I need to do some digging.

Omg you’re retarded lmao. Literally both sides are telling you you’re stupid for even considering this is possible and you still go with it.

You know that you’re town. If I was scum, I could’ve secured a lynch on you with WF, Vader, and REF. Why tf would I CC here and risk getting lynched.

YOU KNOW YOURE FUCKING TOWN

This is simple: the only 2 people that were realistically going to be lynched were Kohai and REF.

If you think I’m scum and Kohai is my partner, you’d have to assume I was bussing him since DP2, which is fine. In this case if I was going to bus him, what’s the point in me CCing here and potentially dying. Better yet, I could just lynch REF.

If you think REF is my partner, then again, why do I CC here when Kohai is a feasible lynch for us.

Meaningless if you were going for this play to begin with, given the Rex-Kohai-Pie PoE.

A) Lol that’s a POE from your POV, not everyone else’s

B) I lynch either of those 2 unless I’m bussing them cause one of them is guaranteed town vs killing myself as scum lol

The fact that you wouldn't even question the similarity is alarming.

Oh, and for all your softing, you never CC'd Wryly right away. You questioned it, and didn't CC until a few posts later. You were likely putting down a placeholder while you were searching for a justification to CC with.

Lmaoo, I wanted to confirm that’s what she was claiming and then when she said she was leaving I CCed. Again. Why CC when I could’ve gotten a free town lynch in Kohai or REF.

If Pie's claim is true, we'd have two slots (Mami- Bulletproof, Kyoko- Inspector) whose justification relies on being an orphan. Not completely out of the question, but unlikely.

Oh no no. That’s part of it. The main part is that I was the only one to survive a car crash

No, it doesn't. This is a quick on the spot excuse.

Active or passive doesn't matter, 1x is still 1x.

Tomato-Tomahto. I’ve been softclaiming BP since early today lol.

I got suspicious after you suddenly started going after Vader when you'd been on Kohai consistently, and wondered if maybe he's the target scum needs to lynch. If we lynch Kohai and he's not the scum target, then town gets a rolecop, and you could get outed tomorrow.

Literally I’m inviting a rolecop on me because even I know a BP with a Doctor doesn’t make sense. And why would I put my vote on Kohai as well lol. I’ve been on his ass since DP2. The optimal strategy is to always lynch who you think is OG scum, not recruited scum. Vader and WF are those and I have explained why multiple times. But you’re confirmed scum lol.

Which is why I'm tinfoiling both of you being town and town just having two bps. I'm working on a long post so please let's slow down for a few moments and think things through

Holy fuck dude. There is absolutely no way there are 2 bulletproofs and a doctor

Remember how I was saying I would like to be rolecopped? Because of the fact that Doctor and BP aren’t believable?

Remember how I told WF I would prefer to wait till DP4 to full claim? It was to bait the NK.

Here's the problem: We already had a doctor flip. BP + Doctor by itself doesn't make sense. As scum I would never fake claim bp after a dr flip.

And I as scum CC the BP? What type of logic is that? Especially when I can get the lynch on you with me, Vader, WF, and REF?

Literally what incentive do I have as scum here for this CC?

Ok, then REF is your teammate.

Then why do I CC here vs taking the Kohai lynch lmfao

I don't buy that for one second.

VTL Pie

I've said previously that we win the game with lynches on Rex, Kohai, and Pie. With the Vader lynch (likely mafia's target for the day) going away, and with no traction on anyone else, scum has to make something happen. If one DP is stolen by mislynching Wryly, then we have to make a call between Kohai and Rex in the F3, at which point his teammate (whichever of the two) has a fighting chance.

Lol what? If Im scum, then why am I hounding Kohai since DP2. Okay let’s say I’m bussing. Then I go ahead and lynch REF lmao.

This is just bad.

wtf It's you? Holy shit I would never have the balls to do this lol. 

Nice try lol. This is fake af and you were sussing me

Then why the fuck didn't you speak up when whiteflame said Vader is sus because no one else has an x-shot? You just agreed with him.

I don’t consider BP an active role. It’s a passive role. X-shot implies active role.

What even is this? Did you finally realize you weren't gonna pull off the Vader lynch and would get rolecopped after all, so you're kamikazeing or something??

Lmao that makes no sense. Realistically Kohai was going to be lynched and I’ve been on his ass for the past two dayphases.

I have no reason to CC you because if I’m wrong, I die tomorrow.

Read the day 1 info 

Scum have been provided with fake-claims and/or information to help them concoct fake-claims. There may be anti-claim mechanics.

Since mafia was given fame claim why would the fake claim be something a town already has 

It says “or” plus it doesn’t saying whether it was character or role or both.

Ugh. I’m paranoid af but I want to town lock pie. 

Given mafia have both recruits and kills a doctor and two bp can be plausible to give town multiple defense. 

If there are two bulletproofs this game is bastard along with a doctor, that’s unquestionably bastard

Kohai - Hitomi Shizuki - Emissary

Vader - Sayaka Miki - 2x Redirector

Mag2cman - Kyoko Sakura - Inspector

Pie - Mami Tomoe - 1x Bulletproof

REF - Junko Kaname - Contract Cop

Whiteflame - Homura Akemi - Ascetic

Wryly - Kyosuke Kamijo - 1x Bulletproof

Mag1cman - Madoka Kaname - Doctor

Kohai - Hitomi Shizuki - Emissary

Vader - Sayaka Miki - 2x Redirector

Mag2cman - Kyoko Sakura - Inspector

Pie - Mami Tomoe - 1x Bulletproof

REF - Junko Kaname - Contract Cop

Whiteflame - Homura Akemi - Ascetic

Wryly - Kyosuke Kamijo - 1x Bulletproof

Mag1cman - Madoka Kaname - Doctor