ILikePie5

Originally Posted by wylted on 8/30/2026 at 9:02 PM (post #712)

Would banana who posts 5 times a game ever create a role that forces her to sort through 75 pms a day as mod?

I think she'd be a bit more pragmatic tbh now that I think about it. Can we afford a mislynch?

Thats also a good point. It would require her to be active a lot, which she isn’t.

It’s 5-2 right now, so technically yes. But I’m confident in Mago being OG scum. You and Thoth are off the board. Could be Mikal but Mag1c made a good point that it’s sorta like the candy that scum could’ve taken for their benefit. I townread Mag1c and continue to today. Luna isn’t OG cause he brought all that attention to Kohai yesterday, which doesn’t make sense.

That leaves Mago. The role doesn’t make much sense.

Originally Posted by wylted on 8/30/2026 at 9:00 PM (post #711)

o, I skimmed the wiki just now for Donna Baines and there’s nothing about voting or anything

You guys have to stop with this. You are trying to force characters to fit a game. You can say justification makes no sense but to think somebody from a TV show had to vote in that TV show for a mod to create a vote related role is silly

It’s more to prove his role is made up and his justification is made up. There has to be some semblance of connection. Otherwise just run a vanilla game

UNVOTE

VTL: Magoroth

Also, I skimmed the wiki just now for Donna Baines and there’s nothing about voting or anything

Originally Posted by wylted on 8/30/2026 at 7:50 PM (post #687)

Let me confirm myself today with Mago’s role. I’ll hammer today. If votes are anonymous tomorrow instalynch me.

I'm open to it. How does his role work again? Or can you link me to the post?

Yes. He stated that if scum hammer or NK him, then the vote tomorrow will be anonymous (ie we will all have to submit votes to Banana).

He didn’t state the name of the role. I’ve never heard of this role.

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-2?commentId=6a934a18ed2d92476e465ab3

Here’s the post.

Originally Posted by wylted on 8/30/2026 at 7:53 PM (post #693)

It gains us nothing to wait though. I understand if it gains something but we already know who the lynch is and even if pie is town you almost have to be a retard to not scum read him.

Mago is highly likely to be OG and the convert as well. You’re also guaranteed investigation results, either from me or from Thoth tomorrow. If Mago is town and the vote tomorrow is not anonymous, then I will be mod confirmed town. But at this juncture, I’m 90% sure Mago is OG scum or the convert

Originally Posted by wylted on 8/30/2026 at 7:51 PM (post #691)

Mago cannot be scum because we know a cop is in the game and he is an underrated CCed cop. OG pool is very tight and honestly down to probably lunatic or pie with pie being the most likely IMO

Thoth is the Cop, not Mago. Mago claimed some weird role where if scum hammer or NK him, votes tomorrow are anonymous. Idt anyone has ever heard of that before

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 7:15 PM (post #679)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/30/2026 at 8:13 PM (post #675)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 7:02 PM (post #663)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 2:14 AM (post #579)

Jokes aside, I think this day phase is now old enough that I can legally flip it on its back and raw-dog it.

I am Dani Acosta, Methodical Cop. Justification is that Dani Acosta is methodical and a cop. I submitted a list of players before the end of day 1. Each night, I cop the highest player on the list, skipping dead players, including anyone who dies that night.

I would rather not post my list to stop scum from interfering on the off chance I survive this day phase, but Pie was my first choice and I got a guilty result on him last night. Any defenses I made of him or suggestions we move to someone else were reaction tests.

VTL: ILikePie5

seems so weird... why claim now and not at the start of the DP?

and if you submit a list, then do you actually visit the players?

He’s done this type of shit before where he hides stuff. It was in one of my games.

as town or scum?

Both? I think Ranger’s Apprentice had an aspect, but ur memory is better than me there

Here’s an idea:

Let me confirm myself today with Mago’s role. I’ll hammer today. If votes are anonymous tomorrow instalynch me.

Upside is that you’re guaranteed results. Mago is still likely to be OG scum or a convert. His odds of either/or are higher than anyone else. Idt he’s even stated what his role is called yet.

Shoot me whatever questions you got, and I’ll answer them

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 7:02 PM (post #663)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 2:14 AM (post #579)

Jokes aside, I think this day phase is now old enough that I can legally flip it on its back and raw-dog it.

I am Dani Acosta, Methodical Cop. Justification is that Dani Acosta is methodical and a cop. I submitted a list of players before the end of day 1. Each night, I cop the highest player on the list, skipping dead players, including anyone who dies that night.

I would rather not post my list to stop scum from interfering on the off chance I survive this day phase, but Pie was my first choice and I got a guilty result on him last night. Any defenses I made of him or suggestions we move to someone else were reaction tests.

VTL: ILikePie5

seems so weird... why claim now and not at the start of the DP?

and if you submit a list, then do you actually visit the players?

He’s done this type of shit before where he hides stuff. It was in one of my games.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 5:16 PM (post #637)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 2:35 AM (post #467)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 5:46 PM (post #414)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/28/2026 at 4:44 PM (post #411)

Imma have to read up from last DP this evening since I missed about half of it. The good news is that the Yakuza does not change town/scum count versus a night-kill.

True. And it’s not like there were a lot of hard claims or anything so we are kind of just as much at square one as we were yesterday with the added benefit of knowing pie is likely confirmed scum based on kohai not voting him yesterday.

Or he was just framing me. Your mind is set anyways. If you have legitimate questions that would allow you to change your mind, feel free to ask

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 2:52 AM (post #483)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/29/2026 at 1:40 AM (post #470)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:32 AM (post #275)

If we lynch pie, and he flips scum, look into kohai. Pie has been strangely avoidant of him this game, he always pressures kohai.

This almost locks Lunatic or Pie as the other OG scum if you ask me.

Explain this logic to me. If I’m Kohai and know I’m the Yakuza. Do I take the lynch on Pie first and pray REF doesn’t get replaced or take the REF lynch and frame Pie at the same time? I think it’s common sense.

Credit to this, yes. But you're Pie. There's a chance Kohai wanted you on his team that badly.

Ya but you have to think about his partner too. Would his partner really agree to pick me?

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 4:59 PM (post #633)

Odds are you're the lynch but lets put our heads together for in case you flip town

Im an open book. I can kick and scream all day that I was framed, but I see the writing on the wall. Just like that Anonymous game. I told whoever executed me to just kill me, cause I’ll be a distraction anyways.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 4:39 PM (post #624)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/30/2026 at 9:44 AM (post #603)

I was the obvious frame target lol. Retarded selection on your part. Wryly, I get cause she’s a noob, but you’ve played forever. You never investigate the scummiest person.

Obvious frame target because you were scummy? I don't know what Wryly has to do with this, but I think she has been playing for slightly longer than I have.

Im telling you that I coached Wryly and told her twice that you don’t ever investigate the scummiest player. It was in endgame threads. And she just started playing, so you’ve been playing longer

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 4:38 PM (post #623)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/30/2026 at 9:59 AM (post #607)

Town has a Watcher, Cop, Doctor. That combo is brutal.

Not so brutal when a Yakuza calls any investigative results before it flipped into question, as wylted pointed out in post #620, and can potentially detownify one of them.

But 1/2 results will ALWAYS be accurate. Either mine or yours will 100% be correct. And then Doctor basically pockets an investigative.

And scum always have a counter to a Cop. Always, whether it’s GF, Lawyer, or Framer. Common sense is to frame me

It did cross my mind that you could have been framed, but I was sus of you to begin with, so I see my result as confirming my gutread rather than substituting for it.

Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug

Originally Posted by wylted on 8/30/2026 at 1:33 PM (post #620)

Town has a Watcher, Cop, Doctor. That combo is brutal. And scum always have a counter to a Cop. Always, whether it’s GF, Lawyer, or Framer. Common sense is to frame me

The counter is the Yakuza who takes somebody already investigated innocent and flips them. Miller is also ancounter

The Yakuza can only take out 1/3. There’s guaranteed one investigation coming out of NP1 regardless. If you’re the Miller, then scum have to have a GF, Lawyer, or Framer. Basic balancing

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/30/2026 at 10:17 AM (post #612)

I was speaking hypothetically, setup spec. It’s not a balanced setup because scum can disable two of the town’s investigative roles and they have a Yakuza on top of everything.

If you want to resort to balance arguments, go for it cause this is Banana’s second game. First game she got Mag1c to help her. I don’t think she got anyone this time. But just having a Framer and a Yakuza is not OP for scum against a Watcher, Cop, and Doctor in any scenario

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/30/2026 at 10:14 AM (post #609)

Also no, common sense says you’re scum, you’re acting like defeated scum and your response to Lunatic/Thoth indicates you’re not even scumreading them which is very strange for someone who’s been scumread the whole game.

I already identified my strategy. And I’m not going to alienate people any further if I’m on the chopping block. Pure survival mode.

And honestly that’s ignoring everything else I said about you which you didn’t even address

What did I ignore? All you’ve done is kumbayah with Thoth’s results

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/30/2026 at 10:13 AM (post #608)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 30/08/2026 at 16:59 (post #607)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/30/2026 at 9:52 AM (post #605)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 30/08/2026 at 16:44 (post #603)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 1:14 AM (post #579)

Jokes aside, I think this day phase is now old enough that I can legally flip it on its back and raw-dog it.

I am Dani Acosta, Methodical Cop. Justification is that Dani Acosta is methodical and a cop. I submitted a list of players before the end of day 1. Each night, I cop the highest player on the list, skipping dead players, including anyone who dies that night.

I would rather not post my list to stop scum from interfering on the off chance I survive this day phase, but Pie was my first choice and I got a guilty result on him last night. Any defenses I made of him or suggestions we move to someone else were reaction tests.

VTL: ILikePie5

I was the obvious frame target lol. Retarded selection on your part. Wryly, I get cause she’s a noob, but you’ve played forever. You never investigate the scummiest person.

So scum has a Yakuza AND a Framer? And town has a Miller? I don’t believe any of this shit there’s no way anyone does

Town has a Watcher, Cop, Doctor. That combo is brutal. And scum always have a counter to a Cop. Always, whether it’s GF, Lawyer, or Framer. Common sense is to frame me

What if they take the Watcher out by converting him. Then all Town investigates become useless because Watcher can find power roles like the Doctor and shit and Framer frames ppl 24/7. This is not balanced lol

Youd have to be retarded to think they’re recruit the guy who was on the chopping block lol. Framers only work on Cops anyways

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/30/2026 at 9:52 AM (post #605)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 30/08/2026 at 16:44 (post #603)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 1:14 AM (post #579)

Jokes aside, I think this day phase is now old enough that I can legally flip it on its back and raw-dog it.

I am Dani Acosta, Methodical Cop. Justification is that Dani Acosta is methodical and a cop. I submitted a list of players before the end of day 1. Each night, I cop the highest player on the list, skipping dead players, including anyone who dies that night.

I would rather not post my list to stop scum from interfering on the off chance I survive this day phase, but Pie was my first choice and I got a guilty result on him last night. Any defenses I made of him or suggestions we move to someone else were reaction tests.

VTL: ILikePie5

I was the obvious frame target lol. Retarded selection on your part. Wryly, I get cause she’s a noob, but you’ve played forever. You never investigate the scummiest person.

So scum has a Yakuza AND a Framer? And town has a Miller? I don’t believe any of this shit there’s no way anyone does

Town has a Watcher, Cop, Doctor. That combo is brutal. And scum always have a counter to a Cop. Always, whether it’s GF, Lawyer, or Framer. Common sense is to frame me

Anyways, when I flip, follow the strategy that I laid out. Everyone should claim cause it will be MYLO, and then hunt out the original scum depending on the NK. I think it’s solvable

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 1:14 AM (post #579)

Jokes aside, I think this day phase is now old enough that I can legally flip it on its back and raw-dog it.

I am Dani Acosta, Methodical Cop. Justification is that Dani Acosta is methodical and a cop. I submitted a list of players before the end of day 1. Each night, I cop the highest player on the list, skipping dead players, including anyone who dies that night.

I would rather not post my list to stop scum from interfering on the off chance I survive this day phase, but Pie was my first choice and I got a guilty result on him last night. Any defenses I made of him or suggestions we move to someone else were reaction tests.

VTL: ILikePie5

I was the obvious frame target lol. Retarded selection on your part. Wryly, I get cause she’s a noob, but you’ve played forever. You never investigate the scummiest person.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/29/2026 at 9:23 PM (post #572)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 8:00 PM (post #570)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/29/2026 at 8:52 PM (post #568)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 8:42 PM (post #567)

Okay, that means he was telling the truth about having a confirmable role, which explains the NK.

You're waiting for me to answer your question and then agreeing with me about this very obvious game fact, as though I am the authority on how Mafia works? This is so out-of-character for you that it's painful.

Im indulging you. I’ve already said I think it’s irrelevant whether it was a Tailor or not. My strategy is proven to work with a Yakuza (even thought it was a Tailored Yakuza)

How is a strategy proven when the game in question didn’t have a real yakuza lol

We didn’t know there was a Tailor until endgame. We took the Yakuza as gospel. Never even considered Tailor. Same thing here. And it was proven. We had WF/Mikal, but Kohai threw

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/29/2026 at 8:54 PM (post #569)

And yes I assume so, if the Tailor showed them the role first, but, again, asking that as a question instead of stating it in a condescending way like we should have figured it out first isn't like you.

Im asking you to explain your thought process. I already said I think it’s irrelevant and a distraction, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to ignore you. I’m still on the chopping block anyways. Not going to actively alienate anyone. Working towards a consensus

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/29/2026 at 8:52 PM (post #568)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 8:42 PM (post #567)

Okay, that means he was telling the truth about having a confirmable role, which explains the NK.

You're waiting for me to answer your question and then agreeing with me about this very obvious game fact, as though I am the authority on how Mafia works? This is so out-of-character for you that it's painful.

Im indulging you. I’ve already said I think it’s irrelevant whether it was a Tailor or not. My strategy is proven to work with a Yakuza (even thought it was a Tailored Yakuza)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/29/2026 at 8:37 PM (post #566)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 8:33 PM (post #565)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/29/2026 at 8:29 PM (post #564)

Yakuza technically is confirmable by using it and flipping lol

But you’re saying if scum had a Tailor, then Kohai was Town right?

I think that goes without saying.

Okay, that means he was telling the truth about having a confirmable role, which explains the NK. Question is which one. If they were Tailoring, wouldn’t they want to take a role from someone who hadn’t soft claimed or anything

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/29/2026 at 8:29 PM (post #564)

Yakuza technically is confirmable by using it and flipping lol

But you’re saying if scum had a Tailor, then Kohai was Town right?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/29/2026 at 8:27 PM (post #561)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 8:15 PM (post #558)

In that scenario though, Kohai would’ve been Town, which theoretically is possible? He claimed a confirmable role, which Mikal is the only one who has. I guess if they wanted to manipulate just like Mikal/WF, then it’s possible

That's pretty easily explainable. Claiming a confirmable role in day 1 as scum is a free pass to live long enough to Yakuzate someone.

Im confused. That just means he’s more than likely Yakuza

If I were to rank it, right now it would be

Mikal

Wylted

Thoth

Mag1c