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Thought process so far is I don’t think Ref or Supa is the recruit which means I don’t think they are the team together 

I would probably agree with that. From an objective lense, the pick is among you, me, or Whiteflame with an outside chance of Kohai just because of his role

supa because I really doubt he was the recruit because he’s always scum read and it just seems like a off the wall pick when David was on the table as vengeful or more experienced players. 

If Supa was scum, he was the original scum and him/WF are making this up. I don’t think that’s likely.

ref because I think he would be jumping at the fake claim for town cred 

Issue with REF is that you could justify anything with the MUTHUR claim. His refusal to full claim is telling. The character claim could be safe because Luna said the theme is complex and they know the theme.

they would have to have started scum 

ref bothers me. I think the entire table is in agreement with pie that we need to mass claim due to the recruit and the resistance is largely pointless at this stage. It’s either because he is softing a power role which is totally obvious to mafia at this point with the refusal to claim or he could be scum and the one who started as scum and is scared to claim in general due to being caught out with his role. 

Agree with this. The solution for this is lynching REF today, and doing the mass claim only after he claims. If he refuses, he should be lynched. If he claims last second then we’ll be scrambling, which could be an issue

betting man. I think the recruit was between David, Pie, or Wf

Replace me with you, and I agree

i also think supa is likely town with that role. The role exists prob to make sure all 4 robots, synethics, whatever all claimed and didn’t fake claim. Leads me to think the starting scum was between one of those 4 

I agree

so with what we have now 

gut is going towards 

skep 

wf,pie,David as the recruit 

if we do this we all need to pick a time. I don’t think drawing or popcorn is useful as if ref is refusing due to being caught out . Being on the backend will only give them an edge.

I agree with this

if we are going to do this we need to do it soon. Good chance I’ll be in active from tonight until tomorrow evening because I have a certification thing I am working on. We either need to commit or not

If REF isn’t on by 2pm, we should just go on and draw straws to full claim, or set a time for everyone else.

I’m thinking if we should just draw straws or have a randomizer determine role claiming order

This game is probably solvable if we just all can claim

No absolutely not

Times when you’re free today to full claim

I guess Supa’s role confirmed at the very least. Does it make sense he was converted? Probably not, but it is a possibility.

(H) Pie - Ellen Ripley - ???

(O) REF - MUTHUR - ???

(A) Mikal - Engineers - ???

(O) Wryly - Wendy - ???

(A) Kohai - The Xenomorph - Vengeful Townie

(O) Whiteflame - David 8 - ???

(O) Vader - Ash - Informant

(H) Casey - Dr. Wren - Mafia Yakuza

(A) Thoth - Facehugger - Apportioner

(H) Pie - Ellen Ripley - ???

(O) REF - MUTHUR - ???

(A) Mikal - Engineers - ???

(O) Wryly - Wendy - ???

(A) Kohai - The Xenomorph - Vengeful Townie

(O) Whiteflame - David 8 - ???

(O) Vader - Ash - Informant

(H) Casey - Dr. Wren - Mafia Yakuza

(A) Thoth - Facehugger - Apportioner

Chicago choked, now hurry up and get hete

Hello

So where else does it mention humanity

Rex and Vader are the hold up

We need to set a time tomorrow for a mass claim

Wryly, does Luna mention you’re a hybrid or a human?

Anything?

When are you free to mass claim

Can you ask if Wendy is classified as a human or alien?

Does your PM talk about the lifecycle of a Xenomorph? Ie Facehuggers, ovomorphs, etc

Did Luna say anything about humanity in your PM?

(H) Pie - Ellen Ripley - ???

(O) REF - MUTHUR - ???

(A) Mikal - Engineers - ???

(O) Wryly - Wendy - ???

(A) Kohai - The Xenomorph - Vengeful Townie

(O) Whiteflame - David 8 - ???

(O) Vader - Ash - ???

(H) Casey - Dr. Wren - Mafia Yakuza

(A) Thoth - Facehugger - Apportioner

Are yall here to mass claim?

If you’re gonna be inactive, then just full claim. We’ve been waiting on you all day today

Ok good. Whiteflame got my message. I thought his behavior was towny in DP1 and even on a short DP he seemed the most town.

Im Ash from the Alien movie. 

can you expand on this?

The above is why it’s crucial to out that one original scum member. Cause the remaining converted scum, we can flush out with motives and night actions.

Bottomline: here is everyone’s lynch pool for today:

Pie

Mikal

Wryly

WF

Vader

REF

Out of this, if you exclude yourself, you either have a 20% chance or 40% chance of lynching scum. Those odds go up tomorrow to 33% and 66% if we mislynch today

Sounds like Mikal's plan is to lynch him today, because whether he's scum or town, that's workable for us.

Are you saying your plan is if he's town he'll be lynched tonight, and if he's scum we wait until it's 2-1?

Im saying we leave Kohai alone. If he’s town, he will be NKed before it becomes 2-1 (so either NP2 or NP3). Our job is to lynch one scum regardless of who it is, today or tomorrow. Best case it’s a 2/5 chance. Worst case it’s a 1/5 chance from everyone’s individual perspectives. (20% if Kohai was converted and 40% if he wasn’t)

It still largely is true. 

if he is scum and we don’t lynch him we lose. If he’s town and he shoots and misses we lose. If he’s town, we lynch him and he holds, we get one more dp

the fact is still there. If he’s scum and goes past today, it’s gg If there is 2 scum.

are you saying that we have to lynch him today? Cause that’s not true. At 5-2, we have 2 opportunities to lynch whoever the original scum was. If Kohai is town, and he loves to 2-1, everyone should lynch him. If he’s town, he has a 50/50 shot (100% if by that time, lines are drawn).

You'll still need a 4th vote to lynch Kohai when it's time. I assume people cannot VTL themselves. 

Wym?

Yes people can vote themselves, but you only need 2 people to lynch in a 2-1 scenario.

Main argument is this: what scum team, after getting an incredibly powerful role that can recruit a player says 'hmm, let's go with the inactive guy with an unknown role who hates playing as scum over the active, townread players and claimed power roles like vengeful'. What sane scum team would pick him over you, or pie, or even me? Would Casey? I don't think so.

If Supa is scum, he was the original scum. I definitely agree with you on that. As for prime conversion targets, it would be one of me, WF, or Mikal. I know it’s not me. I trust Mikal for now. Could be WF. We need Supa’s full claim to determine next steps tho