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A few fake roles that can be cced when I claimed at the start of the do I motivated him? It puts pressure on him to validate what I’m saying immediately. Do you risk claiming an active role when no one has claimed or do you say a obsure passive that’s safe as shit. 

Why not claim an active role. Gain town cred with you, and the individually push people so my chances of CC are reduced lol

again he softed a power role. Changed it. Said he was wasn’t beloved and basically claimed it during the mass claim. 

That’s your opinion. I softed Martyr. I asked for people to not protect me.

as scum if you got motivated you would absolutely deny it. It makes me look bad as well and he can point back to it. 

Or I accept it and gain town cred

If you're OG, perhaps to lock in your fake role early. If you're the recruit, because you weren't scum yet.

Why lock it in early as OG scum? Wouldn’t I want to keep my options open? Go reread what I wrote in DP. Does that sound more like I’m claiming a PR or a Martyr?

This is a good point. I can't see a world where you were scum, got motivated by Mikal, but denied it. And Lunatic said both sides were overpowered in this game, so I don't believe you could have a passive scum role.

Exactly.

Pretty much everyone still here was on board with the mass claim, so we could ask the same question of anyone.

Sure, but think of it in the context of me being OG scum. Why would I advocate a mass claim and risk being CCed vs going individual after people

He denies it cus he got motivated and say he has a scum role. (Rb, redirect, role cop, anything) he can use it and get two results 

he absolutely would deny this. 

And then subsequently pressure for a mass claim? That makes absolutely no sense.

You didn’t soft claim martyr. You soft claimed a power role. 

Here is what I said: “Anyone on that wagon probably isnt going to die, especially me, so I suggest to any protective roles to not target me.”

I am trying to get NKed. Why? Because it benefits town to be NKed.

because you are scum. Having an active power role doesn’t mean you can claim it. Your claim is convienent. Skep was all over this last dp as well but I dismissed it because of how dumb his role was. You also said you weren’t beloved and claimed a role that functions the same way. Not to mention if I motivated you as scum you could have got 2 night actions. 

No it doesn’t. Martyr and Beloved are fundamentally different. One only has upside for town. And I quite literally said not to protect me for that reason. If you want to take that as soft claiming a PR, potato potahto.

As for having an active PR. Why would I say I didn’t receive anything if I did and draw suspicion onto myself? That makes no sense at all.

because the role is basically beloved and a reason for why you are alive 

It’s not the same role. It’s fundamentally different.

I’m js these arguments are bad. Almost equally as weird as David assuming you are wf are a scum lock but not considering you. 

They’re logical explanations of my actions. You can either assume that I had an active action and chose to say I wasn’t motivated and draw suspicion onto myself, or I told the truth.

It’s an objective fact that if I’m the martyr, I say what I said DP1. Cause it serves 2 purposes. Either mafia kill me, or they’re forced to use potential actions they have on me.

I really dislike how hard this is being pushed

Again, you’ve said nothing about what makes WF not and OG scum. My actions are explainable. There’s no such thing going for WF. I’ll ask you again. What reason do you have to believe that WF is not the OG scum.

im going to entertain this and just accept I may be over thinking. 

if wf is og

who is the recruit. 

I would wager it’s you or Kohai. Outside chance of Wryly, but that’s a tomorrow discussion depending on who mafia will NK tonight. Like I said, it’s impossible to determine motive. Did Casey/WF want to go Kohai because of his killing aspect, or did they want to go you because of your experience?

The POE of who could be OG scum is exactly Whiteflame.

Let’s say you think I’m the OG scum. I soft claimed Martyr in DP1 why? To avoid being interfered with? Protected?

Let’s say I’m the OG scum who has an active role. Why would I say no to Mikal supposedly motivating me? Let’s say I’m an OG scum that has a passive role. That sounds super weak with a Yakuza to begin with.

If I was OG scum, why advocate and literally coordinate a mass claim and risk being caught vs getting individual claims to minimize CC risk?

Why would an OG scum Kohai CC a townie and full claim out of the blue?

There is zero reason to do that.

Thoughts?

which is why the only town play would be to turbo lynch me tomorrow 

Yes, which is what the plan has been the entire time. I created that plan. We identify the OG scum cause speculating over who was converted is useless. If you’re a converted scum, then we are forced to lynch you last. Best case for us you’re scum and we win, worst case you’re town and get the shot to take out scum. It’s that simple really

its this idea of let’s pick him first and solve and how hard it’s being sold. It bleeds like both of you are scum

The POE, as Ive independently said is simple for the reasons I described. Whiteflame has to be the OG scum based on an evaluation of everyone’s behavior and roles

I think you absolutely could be

original and I also think there is now a possibility even David could be based on how hard the tunnel is. 

On what basis? David can’t be original. Neither can I. I softclaimed in DP1 to bait the NK or at the very least harmful actions. And

you are named in the pm. Easy enough to just claim your character. I said it earlier from a balance Poe it’s a way to make the yazkua less op. You also seemed like you softed a power role and adjusted it after I said I motivated you. 

This while softed a power role is a tomato tomahto. It’s all WIFOM. I tried to bait the NK. That’s a consistent fact. Why are you overlooking WF?

this you and David. Let’s kill wf and solve tomorrow shit reads me so wrong 

Why can’t WF be the original scum?

Am I miss reading this game wrong. Is there a world where David is og scum and fake claimed. I really dislike the wf tunnel. It’s considering nothing else and seems very forced.

Why does David as OG scum CC a townie and then just full claim first? That makes zero sense

it reads like, kill him and we will deal with it tomorrow. Knowing the game is over if it goes through. If you are town you think that is the for sure scum team because you Castin and I locked. Why are you not even considering going pie first as in your mind the result should be the same

Why are you adamant on Pie going first when Pie can only be the recruited scum. Whiteflame via POE has to be the original scum. Curious to hear how I could be the original scum

Also, can you expand on your justification? Paraphrase your PM

This is the correct play from town POV. Pie is more likely to be a recruit than Castin or you. Lynch white flame today and lynch me tomorrow. I’ll kill pie and town wins

Mikal = Pie in terms of recruitment.

wf - the thing that is making me second guess this is the role balance. There has not been a protective role other than Thoth. It was a shitty protective role. With wf being able to grab that from the graveyard it makes way more sense from a balance perspective. Do mafia really just get to free kill and still have town die the following np with no chance of protecting and if Thoth dies there is 0 protection. 

The thing that I keep coming back to is that Luna said that Thoth couldn’t replace back in. That must mean there’s some role out there that prevents him from coming back, and the only role even remotely similar is Whiteflame’s

leaves me pie - from the start of the game since dp1 I’ve questioned it. I felt like he was soft claiming a power role dp1 and changed it after I said he could confirm me and suggested he had to be passive. Martyr is also obscure.

Developer and Scavenger are also obscure.

Basically a beloved and a good way for to explain why he’s not dead. I am also stuck on Casey’s PM. We know that character exists in the game and from a theme analysis standpoint, it’s the only one that makes sense. That doctor turns her into a queen. I know Luna said the theme was hard but imagine if that recruit did not get used at the start. That theme becomes a lot harder to see. 

Here’s the thematic link between David and Wren. They were both engineering Xenomorphs and are immoral af. Also, we’re back to the whole game of who was converted and who wasn’t. The goal should be to catch the original scum and via POE that has to be Whiteflame.

You were adamant about the motivator so you aren’t OG scum

I had soft claimed DP1. I wanted scum to either kill me or get waste an action on me. I can’t be OG scum

Wryly is basically the sole investigative, so she can’t be the OG scum

Kohai had no reason to CC Thoth in DP1 as OG scum.

That leaves Whiteflame. It’s possible your role could have other protectives in it as well. Not to mention even a single successful apportionment at the beginning of the game would basically mod confirm Thoth and the player whose life was extended.

I think I’m content with this path 

kill pie 

kill David and if David is not scum, have David shot wf last dp. If David is scum we win. 

This assumes that I’m the original scum, which I’m not.

that is prob the solve either way between wf or pie but I’m leaning pie to start with over wf. Largely because if the one we pick is town the game is over. They could just both be scum too.

So who wants to hear a conspiracy theory?

Last time Luna had a Yakuza in the game, Casey was the Yakuza and WF was the scum partner. They fucked up using the Yakuza. Second chance to redeem themselves?

Why would they waste an action on each other? In addition, it makes more sense for them to bullshit this claim then it does for them to waste an action.

Is it really wasting if one is town and the other is scum? Both Mikal and Wryly can be telling the truth, but one of them can still be scum.

B-C. That’s my point. Either they’re the scum team making this up or they’re both town.

Again, that’s not true. If Mikal was recruited, he would retain his town role. He can follow Wryly still. If Wryly was recruited, she would retain her Tracker and be able to track Mikal

I think whiteflame is objectively the best lynch today. 

I agree with this

mikal and castin cannot be town / scum. If so this would require one of them to use a non lethal action on the other and also not role block each other. This is absurd.

A) Where’d the idea of a roleblock come from

B) Why can’t a recruited Mikal use a Follower on Castin

C) Why can’t a recruited Castin use the Tracker on Mikal

Either they’re the scum team making this up or they’re both town. I’m leaning towards both of them being town - esp given Castin’s derp tell.

they cannot be town / scum.

Why not?

The only world where I see Mikal still being scum is if he's the recruit and used his night action on me to farm town cred. I don't think that's what happened, but it is a possibility. 

Which is a possibility for sure. Same with you as well from my POV. That’s why trying to catch the recruited scum is so difficult. But if we catch the OG scum it opens everything up. Mikal can’t be OG because of how confident he was in his Motivator. You can’t be the OG scum cause I believe there’s a Tracker in the game—basically the sole major investigative role. I don’t think Kohai is the OG scum because he didn’t have to claim that early in the game. I know I’m town. Who does that leave? Whiteflame.

Vader being NK'd instead of me is troubling. 

Since Kohai is a non-option in all this I'll need to do isos on Pie and whiteflame tomorrow. For now, I'm tired.

Another thing pointing me in the white flame / pie direction is I don’t see Mikal as recruiting Castin

Either Castin or Mikal can be the recruited scum

that’s kinda where I am at right now. That would honestly clear them as a team if wf is original scum. 

Wym clear as a team?

plus I have a very hard time believing he would be able to obtain the power of a townie before he was even flipped let alone using it twice 

Wym?

Who do you think it is? Do you think castin / mikal are making this up?

I think WF is OG mafia for sure. I’ve maintained that via the POE since yesterday. As for who is the recruited scum, I need to reread to determine that after all the information revealed today

As for them making it up, I don’t think either of them did.

I’m not scum dude

This town confirms you for me. Of the three remaining, I sus Kohai the least, and we couldn't lynch him this DP even if I did.

So, whiteflame and Pie.

1) Why did you choose Mikal?

2) Why does that town confirm him?

I meant the justification of how Xenomorph connects to Vengeful Townie

Well if you are scum the game is already over. So GG. We just have to play it out. 

Why is it over?

Justification please