Mikal wrote:
Because ref is not even voting or has any hard thoughts. Ref being awol is nai. Both of you have given stronger reasons to push thoth
He was clearly indicating he was sus of Thoth by asking how Himmel is Vanilla.
Also at this point you’re just punishing us for being active vs him being inactive. Doesn’t really make much sense
Mikal wrote:
Not to mention it was radio silent with the push going through and when we backed off. Everyone miraculously showed up
It’s the end of the DP. I expect people to be on anyways. But read my response to the town slip. It doesn’t mean anything with a partner in the game, or he just didn’t read anyways and still went with it, which is a Thoth thing to do
Mikal wrote:
Initially thoths claim as vanilla for himmel seemed weird. Still is. But I think he slipped when he said why would wf give a vanilla claim to scum. Implies he has not read the dp with the wf clarification and as scum I dont think he would feign this.
And why couldn’t his scum partner tell him this?
So if I buy this. Then I think a scum joining me on the thoth push is likley.
Okay, then why do you think it has to be me and Mag1c and not REF?
Lunatic wrote:
What is CFD?
Chinese fire drill.
last second change lynches
Mago is always far more active and analyzing as town than he is scum, by a long shot. He’s more of a lurker as scum.
Mikal wrote:
I think thoth even if town is still a safer lynch that yolo shooting a random
But I want to look at pie or magic before the dp ends.
If this is your idea then it makes zero sense to give scum potentially more POE by getting either me or Mag1c to claim from your POV
Mikal wrote:
I think the thoth push [if hes town] and my gut is saying he may be town now given gams analysis.
That you or magic could be scum. Id rather have a claim from magic but I want a claim from one of you
And what’s the theory for either of us being scum? You haven’t explained that yet? Is it the same reason Luna had for me? Cause I already explained why that’s NAI.
On a side note, why do you town read Thoth exactly?
Mikal wrote:
I want magic to claim. If I can't get magic go claim. Ill join luna on pie.
I want a claim from one of the two
Why do you want either of our claims? If you townread Thoth and don’t want to lynch him, say it straight instead of being wishy washy.
Mikal wrote:
I really dislike everything about this game. When thoth was the target. Everyone was silent and allowing it to happen. When we pulled back there is load of activity. It really looks like people were allowing the thoth train to go off the track and are now scrambling to lynch someone inactive because they cant defend themselves.
I think a better focus is pie or magic.
I haven’t backed down on my scumread of Thoth lol. And what’s your basis for me anyways besides wagoning Pie?
Lunatic wrote:
UNVOTE
I am not going to be able to get a lynch on you in three hours, and it could just end the same way as last time anyway. Lets work on something else in the meantime. Who besides thoth can we agree on lynching today?
I would support a lynch on Mago
Lunatic wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
So you admit that it’s NAI lol.
It's NAI for you to be a stubborn bastard and double down as town. It's AI as well for you to do it as scum. You being town last game doesn't clear you from being scum this game.
Wasnt it you who literally said “if this behavior is town Pie, I will consider it in my future evaluation of him.”
Doesnt seem like you’re doing that here
The problem is I need anything to indicate you are town. You aren't giving me that. So when your default reaction is to tunnel vanilla claims every game on day phase one and consistently double down on the logic, all I have to go on is that you would also do this as scum. Give me something more to work with if you want me to consider you as town.
I’m not lynching cause he’s Vanilla. I’m lynching because he was defensive, and even if he’s town, it doesn’t provide scum more POE and they’re likely to be fucked in terms of night actions tonight. Oh it also makes future Vanilla claims sus.
Lunatic wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
So you admit that it’s NAI lol.
It's NAI for you to be a stubborn bastard and double down as town. It's AI as well for you to do it as scum. You being town last game doesn't clear you from being scum this game.
Wasnt it you who literally said “if this behavior is town Pie, I will consider it in my future evaluation of him.”
Doesnt seem like you’re doing that here
What are your thoughts. We aren’t lynching Mikal cause he said he’s confirmable. Any other thoughts?
High level reads for now
Town:
Pie
Mikal
Magic
Null:
Banana
REF
Wylted
Scum:
Luna
Thoth
Mago
Happy to lynch any of the bottom 3 at the moment
I’ll note that Mago is uncharacteristically inactive this game. Need his claim first thing tomorrow.
Lunatic wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Crickets from Luna on REF.
So why are you pushing Thoth not ref?
Did I say REF was being opportunistic? No. You said Pie is being opportunistic and wagoning Thoth lol
Lunatic wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
I’m fine with lynching Thoth for the info.
Trust me, lets lynch pie
”tRuST mE brO”
When you consistently go for the easy lynches every game, I am going to consistently pressure you for it.
Its not an “easy lynch.” Also, I was literally town last game so again, you’re just wrong.
This argument loses steam when you constantly say things like "I would do the same thing as either affiliation". You can't use that as a defense and expect us not to think you would do it as scum lol
So you admit that it’s NAI lol.
Mag1cman wrote:
Timeline of events
-I RVS Thoth to test him
-Mikal joins in
-Thoth responds
-Mikal finds it scummy
-I Unvote and evaluate
-I find Thoth scummy
-Pie finds Thoth scummy, joins in
-Thoth gives claim w/ no justification
-Sus continues
-Rex jumps in to throw sus at Thoth, no vote
If we’re talking opportunism, than Rex is a worse offender than Pie imo
Crickets from Luna on REF.
Lunatic wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
I’m fine with lynching Thoth for the info.
Trust me, lets lynch pie
”tRuST mE brO”
When you consistently go for the easy lynches every game, I am going to consistently pressure you for it.
Its not an “easy lynch.” Also, I was literally town last game so again, you’re just wrong.
Mikal wrote:
But yeah gut is thoth luna pair or they are both town
I see an outside world where Lunas behavior is preparing for a thoth town flip as scum as magic mentioned but playing that way doesn't serve him. Would just be better to not post. Say hes asleep and allow thoth to die.
Defending him that hard either reads as they are both scum or both town
Hard disagree. Scum Luna cannot adequately hunt for PRs with only one claim on the table. He’s forced to get claims from other people to eliminate the pool at least slightly. If we think Thoth is scum, with a Vanilla claim, we 100% lynch him. Get results tonight and figure it out tomorrow. That screws over scum really bad.
His reasoning for voting me is just bad. He’s saying there’s a reason Thoth was being defensive when it was literally 1 vote in RVS from Mag1c and an OMGUS troll vote from you
Lunatic wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
I believe him guys..
VTL: ILikePie5
Still feel good about pie being scum. Coming in just to support the thoth wagon is pretty dumb too. Scum think Thoth is an easy mislynch here. I am not going to be apart of that, and will be scrutinizing anyone on his lynch if it does happen.
My reasoning for the Thoth wagon was completely independent of everyone else’s. I was the one who said he was being unusually defensive that early on. Also
Defensive? His responses have seemed pretty dead pan to me. Normal thoth seems a bit more chipper, but after how the last couple games have went I can feel his pain. Then he immediately gets pressured and ends up being a vanilla, and you put pressure on him alongside other players like mikal and magic, honestly thats gotta be pretty demoraling. Whether you have independent reads or not, it doesn't change the fact that the lynch is bad and hes being pushed by multiple players who have opted not to really try pushing literally anywhere else. I don't like this one bit.
This was before there was a consistent wagon on him. Mag1c posted one vote on him and he gets all defensive about it in his first post in the game lol. There was zero pressure at the time basically. And then Mikal voted him for OMGUS and he got all pissy lol. It wasn’t a legitimate push
Your characterization is just objectively false lol.
Lunatic wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
I’m fine with lynching Thoth for the info.
Trust me, lets lynch pie
”tRuST mE brO”
Thoth wrote:
Re: #251. That PM differs from mine in that the justification is specifically for being Vanilla, since he faded into obscurity. I don't even have that.
I do ask y'all to consider in what world whiteflame either gave scum!Thoth's team Vanilla as a fake-claim or we exhausted all our questions this early and ended up claiming that.
Thats pretty easy. Yall took the one fake claim and fake role option and since WF said they don’t tie, you’re forced to use the claim and an easy enough role
Mikal wrote:
I think scum luna would allow this to happen. He wouldn't even look scummy for being on it because there is me you and pie also on the idea of it.
Dont see scum luna not trying to push this. Even if for different reasons
I heavily disagree. Heavily. Luna as scum doesn’t kill the big fish either. He’s agnostic
Mag1cman wrote:
Mikal wrote:
Magic is hitting my radar diff. Id like him to claim if hes willing.
241 - could be a way to narrow down poe to try and shoot power roles
254 - seems as if hes sheeping me but adjusting the logic to move to pie if thoth flips scum
We largely have the same thought process and something about it hits wrong.
We’re similar because we’re both town.
#241 is because while there’s ways Thoth should be scum here, the lack of trying to push the wagon into someone else is distinct from his past few scum games. Despite his poor refutation of my case, it’s one of the signs that says we could be heading down the wrong path. The other is Pie and Rex’s posts. You can argue Lunatic as well. Rex and just jump a wagon already started (Rex without the vote). And Lunatic very prepared for a town flip. I’d say the former two look worse.
That’s a fair point. He hasn’t started doing a counter wagon yet. But look at the previous game. He just went inactive and got replaced out and avoided the lynch that way
Mikal wrote:
I would really like a claim from magic
If thoth is town. Likely one scum is on his lynch and I think that looks very good on luna for not being apart of it
If thoth flips scum then luna looks bad
I had a lot of pressure from thoth luna and Anna. So there could be a scum there trying to get a wagon going.
I really hope this game is just as simple as luna thoth but never that easy
If you think it’s Luna/Thoth, doesn’t make sense to get a claim from Magic.
Mag1cman wrote:
Thoth isn’t trying to place the wagon on someone else. It’s consistent with his post about playing DO1 to get a result down.
What do you mean?
Mikal wrote:
Almost want to lynch him for info.
I think there are 3 possible scenarios
1) if thoth flips scum. Luna is prob scum
2) if thoth flips town. I think its likely magic is scum
3) mafia could be not posting and letting us drive off the cliff.
Expand on this. How so?
Mikal wrote:
Okay I may buy pie now.
Luna mentions him and he goes from lurking to ASAP post
I just woke up lol. At least let me catch up
