Lots of votes to analyze in case I’m dead. Make sure to evaluate yesterdays counter wagon too
Lots of votes to analyze in case I’m dead. Make sure to evaluate yesterdays counter wagon too
Unoffical VC
Lunatic - Vader, Mag1c
Thoth - Pie, Lunatic, WF, Kohai
Vader - Thoth
Unoffical VC
Lunatic - Vader, Mag1c
Thoth - Pie, Lunatic, WF
Vader - Thoth, Kohai
Unoffical VC
Lunatic - Vader
Thoth - Pie, Lunatic
Vader - Thoth, Kohai
CFDs sure do wonders
VTL Thoth
Whats the VC
^^^
My role implies a Miller exists. It’s not traditionally how the role works, but Bullish made a point to mention it. I’ll hammer him to get a lynch off for information, but know that I townread him
Why do you townread Thoth again?
Still waiting on Thoth explaining why he voted me in DP1
Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 9:13 PM (post #290)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/25/2026 at 8:02 PM (post #265)
The problem is also that basically anything can be used to justify a Vanilla. Why specially two Sun related apocalypse.
You can find relationships and connections between anything. These apocalypses are both solar, but otherwise are extremely different. Vader’s is barely apocalyptic compared to most claims.
The problem is ANYTHING can be used to justify Vanilla. Why use the Sun when you can find a million other things.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:11 PM (post #286)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #282)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #281)
Got through Kohai’s ISO. The DP2 feels like towny confusion. The DP1, idk. One thing I did like was him calling the game retarded while Vader’s about to go down… you’d think mafia would be happier, and imo, more likely to feign happiness at catching Vader. It’s all frustration with being pressured early DP1 for a claim.
Only a slight townread atm
hmmmm… I don’t like the hesitancy to claim with a tree stump. Yet if you have that hesitancy, you’d want to claim something strong as scum, right?
Its easier to delay claiming especially if his scum partner used whatever fake claim they had
He did soft tree stump fairly early in the game. I’m leaning toward him just believing his role pm is bad and tree stump is worth delaying for Kohai reasons, whatever those are. Feels too scummy to be scum.
How did he soft claim tree stump early?
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 8:52 PM (post #279)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:44 PM (post #275)
Just got through Whiteflame’s ISO. He’s hard to read.
I felt the focus on softing at the start of the game was excessive. Literally everything else doesn’t ping me one way or another… it’s just there.
Whiteflame knowing about his own claim could be a tell. But who knows.
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Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 9:11 PM (post #287)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/25/2026 at 7:59 PM (post #264)
So what do you think he was breadcrumbing and why?
I am not convinced he was breadcrumbing anything as opposed to making it up later
So you think he was putting like 5 things out there and then just picking one thing?
Yall home?
Except we know that a single vanilla is common to some rolemad games and that Bullish regularly includes one or two in his games. Not saying that means we should give Thoth a pass, but context doesn’t support the view that it’s scummy on its face.
What about his behavior do you find townie? We can WIFOM character and role all day long. What has he done that makes you concrete townread him?
You still haven’t answer why you voted me in DP1?
Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 5:32 PM (post #248)
Everything Lunatic has said so far feels so agonizingly fake. I'm sure it's possible he is town and genuinely trying to solve, but it all comes off as so forced. That said, I don't think I have a consistent gutread radar on Lunatic like with some other players on here, and I have been wrong scumreading someone for being overly helpful before. If you are town, I apologize, I know it must be frustrating to be scumread for doing your job.
Vader's claim seems plausible to me. I think Pie is assuming too much about Bullish's setup design choices in #163. That kind of analysis assumes telepathy that we don't have. Two sun apocalypses seem reasonable when they are extremely far removed from each other in time and severity. One will probably happen in my lifetime and will hurt the economy, the other will happen in the inconceivably far future and destroy the Earth.
The problem is also that basically anything can be used to justify a Vanilla. Why specially two Sun related apocalypse.
In response to my earlier question about Banana's flip, Bullish said that Sleepwalker would be Visiting and Inventor or Gifter would be Special. Not to claim that any of those roles are in the game, I was just curious about what those categories meant.
Re: #87, Pie surviving to DP2 is always at least mild evidence of him being scum. I know that is WIFOMable.
Nice shade
Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 5:24 PM (post #243)
I found a breadcrumb in your post #68 yesterday
“I’d say too many people are afraid of mine. A pair of different ways it could go; I know of at least one couple in my town who actually spend time preparing for it.”
“I’- --- --- m--- ------ --- ------ -- ----. - ---- -- --------- ---- -- ----- g-; - ---- -- a- ----- --- ------ -- -y ---- --- -------- ----- ---- --------- --- --.”
So I'm not fully convinced you were hinting Doctor there.
So what do you think he was breadcrumbing and why?
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/25/2026 at 1:11 PM (post #230)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/25/2026 at 12:07 PM (post #229)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/25/2026 at 11:24 AM (post #225)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/25/2026 at 10:14 AM (post #223)
Pie — Scum lean
I've moved Pie down somewhat.
I understand his explanation for the visitor situation better now, and I think the reaction test itself was reasonable enough as a concept. My issue is that I'm not convinced the results of the test are as alignment-indicative as Pie seems to think they are.
He’s also a claimed Doctor. I didn’t clear him until after he did that. Match the behavior with the role and the likely conclusion is he’s town from my pov.
So your reaction test was basically useless unless he full claimed? You could have accomplished the same thing from just throwing random pressure on anyone who was a doc and getting lucky. That's my point; You aren't making a good case for what this reaction test was ever intended to accomplish in the first place.
No? I said it was a piece of a puzzle. I had a vague expectation for how people would react. That’s half the equation. His reaction felt townie to me, but then the Doctor solidified it.
Just seems like if mafia had visited you they wouldn’t fess up to it, and it was 90% more likely if you weren’t killed you were just visited by town. Only roles I could think of would be redirector and roleblocker that you would be paranoid of. Did you think you were redirected?
They had two happens. Deny & basically out themselves or roll the dice and think I was bluffing. Safer option would be to confess.
Magic being willing to explain himself and offer a full claim doesn't necessarily distinguish town from scum, and I'm not convinced that Magic "passing" the test should carry as much weight as Pie is giving it.
I think it does. Mafia would be rattled and instantly claim someone. Only way Magic is scum is if Doctor is a fake role claim, and scum visited me with something
I mean if you have doctor as a fake claim up your sleeve, how "rattled" are you ever going to be? I've been pressuring magic since day one, and have been back and forth with him for pages. You think if he was scum he wasn't already "rattled" by that? You think it was you claiming to have been visited that would have shook him to the core?
I think it definitely would’ve been concerning, but this again assumes that Doctor is a fake claim. If there was a CC, it just implicates him, so I wasn’t really concerned about that. With no CC though, it’s more likely than not he’s town.
The doctor being a fake claim is the only scenario I think magic would be scum. But yeah at this point with no other protection roles claimed we’d have to believe there wasn’t another protection. Possible but feels unlikely.
Exactly the conclusion I arrived at
Right now, I’m seeing a Thoth + Kohai team. I could see it being Thoth + WF or Thoth + Luna in an outer scenario. Only way Vader is scum is if Bullish gave Miller as fake claim. Only way Mag1c is scum is if Doctor is fake claim and there are no protectives
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/25/2026 at 11:24 AM (post #225)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/25/2026 at 10:14 AM (post #223)
Pie — Scum lean
I've moved Pie down somewhat.
I understand his explanation for the visitor situation better now, and I think the reaction test itself was reasonable enough as a concept. My issue is that I'm not convinced the results of the test are as alignment-indicative as Pie seems to think they are.
He’s also a claimed Doctor. I didn’t clear him until after he did that. Match the behavior with the role and the likely conclusion is he’s town from my pov.
So your reaction test was basically useless unless he full claimed? You could have accomplished the same thing from just throwing random pressure on anyone who was a doc and getting lucky. That's my point; You aren't making a good case for what this reaction test was ever intended to accomplish in the first place.
No? I said it was a piece of a puzzle. I had a vague expectation for how people would react. That’s half the equation. His reaction felt townie to me, but then the Doctor solidified it.
Magic being willing to explain himself and offer a full claim doesn't necessarily distinguish town from scum, and I'm not convinced that Magic "passing" the test should carry as much weight as Pie is giving it.
I think it does. Mafia would be rattled and instantly claim someone. Only way Magic is scum is if Doctor is a fake role claim, and scum visited me with something
I mean if you have doctor as a fake claim up your sleeve, how "rattled" are you ever going to be? I've been pressuring magic since day one, and have been back and forth with him for pages. You think if he was scum he wasn't already "rattled" by that? You think it was you claiming to have been visited that would have shook him to the core?
I think it definitely would’ve been concerning, but this again assumes that Doctor is a fake claim. If there was a CC, it just implicates him, so I wasn’t really concerned about that. With no CC though, it’s more likely than not he’s town.
Pie — Scum lean
I've moved Pie down somewhat.
I understand his explanation for the visitor situation better now, and I think the reaction test itself was reasonable enough as a concept. My issue is that I'm not convinced the results of the test are as alignment-indicative as Pie seems to think they are.
He’s also a claimed Doctor. I didn’t clear him until after he did that. Match the behavior with the role and the likely conclusion is he’s town from my pov.
Magic being willing to explain himself and offer a full claim doesn't necessarily distinguish town from scum, and I'm not convinced that Magic "passing" the test should carry as much weight as Pie is giving it.
I think it does. Mafia would be rattled and instantly claim someone. Only way Magic is scum is if Doctor is a fake role claim, and scum visited me with something
More broadly, I still want to understand Pie's overall solving and some of his interactions from earlier in the phase. I don't think the visitor situation is enough by itself to clear him.