ILikePie5

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 11:32 PM (post #200)

With Thoth being the only vanilla, the pattern fits. Behaviorally, I find it crazy that mafia would want to fake-claim vanilla, and soft something so attention-drawing as their first post in the whole game.

Problem is that Vanilla could be the fake role claim given by Bullish in this exact scenario. Theres also the fact that I’m like 99% sure that Thoth knows rolemadness doesn’t mean 0 vanillas exist every time.

But also, the justification. You can’t do anything about vaccum decay either, but that’s a Miller. There’s an inconsistency

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/24/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #195)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/24/2026 at 9:58 PM (post #191)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/24/2026 at 10:55 PM (post #190)

If your role tells you that someone visited you, but not who or what they did, why was your immediate reaction to demand the visitor confess rather than simply reveal that you had been visited?

I already said that it was a reaction test to potentially catch scum.

I remember you saying it was a reaction test; I was asking more about what you were trying to get out of the reaction test. If you only knew that someone had visited you, what specifically were you looking for in people's reactions that would distinguish a scum visitor from a town visitor? A scum visitor could just stay quiet, but a town visitor could also choose not to immediately claim. And if someone did confess, that doesn't necessarily make them scum either.

I'm more interested in what your actual criteria were for the test, especially since you said Magic passed it. What did Magic's response do that made you think he passed the test rather than simply being a plausible Doctor explanation?

I don't think the reaction test itself is inherently bad. I just don't want "it was a reaction test" to end the discussion when the useful information is what the test was designed to detect and what Magic did that satisfied it.

Test was designed to detect hesitancy or any sort of ask for more details, though everyone would react differently. Scum would usually ask for more details to decide how they approach me if they did visit me. Mag1c’s reaction wasn’t apprehensive. He even went so far as to say that he’d be willing to full claim even if I told him to, which he also did.

Pie — AI Takeover 

This is the one I'm most interested in now that we've gotten the apocalypse claim.

I understand why Pie doesn't want to immediately give the role, especially since he claims his role is what told him somebody visited him. But that also means the role itself is important to evaluating the Magic interaction.

So I want to know what the actual mechanical information is that his role gave him, and exactly what he knew when he made the "confess or be lynched" post.

Ive answered this like five times. My role basically told me that someone visited me. I did not know who it was or what they did. I decided to run the reaction test to potentially catch scum in a lie or identify a townie.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 10:55 PM (post #188)

Pie and Lunatic are the only two man-made apocalypses. I still townread Pie, but it's noteworthy to me.

But with a fake claim provided, I kind of doubt scum wouldn't use it... Unless the fake claim were role only. But the possible theme split here feels too obvious for mafia to fall into such a pitfall.

It’s obviously not the theme. It’s never that easy + I would see that in an instant and not claim that, especially considering I was the last one to claim

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/24/2026 at 10:55 PM (post #190)

If your role tells you that someone visited you, but not who or what they did, why was your immediate reaction to demand the visitor confess rather than simply reveal that you had been visited?

I already said that it was a reaction test to potentially catch scum.

Okay, he did post a justification, but just cause you don’t/can’t prep for it doesn’t mean it’s Vanilla.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 10:51 PM (post #186)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/24/2026 at 10:01 PM (post #163)

I definitely don’t like Thoth’s character. Two sun apocalypses, especially with so many out there?

Knowing Bullish, this might not be an issue.

I disagree. You can make anything Vanilla. Did he post a justification yet? Lemme see

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/24/2026 at 10:45 PM (post #181)

Why would AI takeover know they were visited

It has to do with my role.

I 95% sure that Thoth is scum here for a few reasons:

1) Character: Having two sun related apocalypses doesn’t make much sense, when there’s a plethora of apocalypses out there

2) Role: Vanilla. This also doesn’t make much sense. I swear Thoth has been in rolemad games before where there are multiple Vanillas. I’ll have to dig it up. I don’t buy it at all

3) Role: I don’t think anyone was pressuring him for a full claim. Him giving away his role like that especially after previous game is rather odd. Almost like he was eager to give it.

4) He never answered my question about why he was voting me at the beginning, even after I asked him multiple times. I don’t think he’s had an original thought. Practically buddied and bandwagoned yesterday if i remember correctly.

VTL Thoth

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/24/2026 at 10:31 PM (post #178)

VTL pie for a claim, he is the last to claim.

Only fair that I do. It doesn’t reveal anything. I’m AI Takeover

Also, Thoth should know by now that rolemad can have Vanillas. Why call that out as a lie?

I definitely don’t like Thoth’s character. Two sun apocalypses, especially with so many out there?

Do you have an issue character claiming?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/24/2026 at 6:58 PM (post #148)

I am sorry, guys. I have been sick. I am vanilla. I will try to post more in a bit. I was thinking whiteflame might be vanilla too based on him saying something similar to my PM. I don’t think he should confirm or deny if he hasn’t yet.

Why does that make you townread him?

Hmmm

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/24/2026 at 6:09 PM (post #144)

Fine. I'll full claim. As i said this is the most retarded role i've ever received in my life.

Role: Zombie apocalypse

Justification?

Kohai needs to full claim. 50/50 shot in a lynch within Kohai, Luna, WF, Thoth

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/24/2026 at 2:38 PM (post #136)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/24/2026 at 3:34 PM (post #134)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 9:27 AM (post #90)

let’s get Lunatic’s claim. I’ll help you get Kohai’s if you help me with this.

Im comfortable with that. Right now my POE is Luna, Kohai, Thoth, Whiteflame. 50/50 chance. I also want to pursue Thoth today as well

Ive been really busy and will catch up later.

if we are going this route then why not mass claim today

How about you full claim

VTL Kohai

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 11:30 AM (post #105)

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/87/apocalypse-mafia---dp1?page=3&comment_number=68

“I’d say too many people are afraid of mine. A pair of different ways it could go; I know of at least one couple in my town who actually spend time preparing for it.”

The sentence is just true. I’ve seen too many Christians talk about a fear of Judgement Day, there’s multiple theories among Christian scholars about how it would go down, and every family in my church is preparing for it; that comes with walking the path of faith.

Furthermore, the post was worded to leave a breadcrumb:

too = 2

pair = 2

one = 1

couple = 2

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2022%3A12&version=ESV

Revelation 22:12

“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompenses with me, to repay each one for what he has done.”

My character is “God exists and we face judgment”

You might ask, how does that lead to Doctor? The answer is that I got to choose which god exists NP0. My options were Athena, Ra, and Jesus.

I thought this game had a lot more moving parts and bs roles than it actually did, so I chose Jesus hoping to get something really OP like a res ability, and got Doctor, because Jesus healed the sick, the crippled, and the demonically possessed.

So what was your role to begin with?

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/24/2026 at 11:33 AM (post #106)

From my perspective at least, your role is not confirmed, Pie demanded your claim, and yet he’s the one you claim should be able to effectively confirm you. Maybe this is an issue on his end and something he missed. I’m ready and willing to have that proven to me anytime.

Behaviorally, I’ve been mixed on your responses so far, but I wouldn’t say I’m actively scumreading you atm. I get that you have others who are, but maybe don’t just assume I’m scumreading you because I’ve got you in POE, have been asking questions and have been confused by some of your choices.

But no, I’m not going to townlock you over what I’ve seen so far. You’re leaving that largely to Pie and he hasn’t done much to establish that you are, honestly.

I don’t think Mag1c is scum. The confusion is my own fault cause of how I was baiting. I think we can move off of Mag1c

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 9:27 AM (post #90)

let’s get Lunatic’s claim. I’ll help you get Kohai’s if you help me with this.

Im comfortable with that. Right now my POE is Luna, Kohai, Thoth, Whiteflame. 50/50 chance. I also want to pursue Thoth today as well

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 8:54 AM (post #87)

Originally Posted by Vader on 9/24/2026 at 7:22 AM (post #82)

Also why would mafia target Pie? His clear scum reads were Vader (1) and Kohai. Unless any of them were mafia, no reason to fear kill Pie unless they knew information

Quite a few scum teams would just kill with the threat of him figuring things out.

Im most dangerous late game, better to get rid of me early

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 10:31 PM (post #71)

Can you clear me so we can move on from this? I'd rather not give all my cards away. Mafia was given only one fake claim of some kind, and I'd rather things stay difficult for them.

I can’t confirm you, but your reaction and role make me read you as Lean Town. I don’t plan on voting you today. It was a half truth to get reaction, which I’d say was a success

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/23/2026 at 10:27 PM (post #67)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 10:34 PM (post #61)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 10:22 PM (post #57)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #50)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)

Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.

that would be me.

And pray tell what you did

I used a doctor ability on you.

Character and justification?

I'm not buying this.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #65)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 11:01 PM (post #63)

As I said earlier the justification and character makes zero sense. I’m never claiming my character as this only helps scum further. We’ve already had too many claims IMO

Can you explain why claiming your character would help scum? You've already role claimed, in what way could your character be worse than claiming your role?

Because scum are only provided with 1 fake role or character claim. THe more character claims we get the more it helps scum narrow the pool

As someone who currently thinks your behaviorally town, man, this isn't a great look. You say that giving away your character claim would be a problem, but you're clearly fine with getting Mag1c's despite him claiming what would theoretically be a role that he could confirm while still alive. Not saying I buy Mag1c's claim either, but this is pretty hypocritical.

+1 here. Behavior doesn’t add up at all. Rules for thee but not for me

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 10:12 PM (post #65)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 11:01 PM (post #63)

As I said earlier the justification and character makes zero sense. I’m never claiming my character as this only helps scum further. We’ve already had too many claims IMO

Can you explain why claiming your character would help scum? You've already role claimed, in what way could your character be worse than claiming your role?

Because scum are only provided with 1 fake role or character claim. THe more character claims we get the more it helps scum narrow the pool

Well if you’re scum, which is likely, you can’t take the fake claim or role. It’s scummy for you to not claim.

Alright, I just knew that someone visited me based on my role, but not who it was or what they did. Not going to state what my role is. It was supposed to make scum stutter a bit if they did visit me, sort of like a reaction test, which imo Mag1c passes.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #57)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #50)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)

Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.

that would be me.

And pray tell what you did

I used a doctor ability on you.

Okay that’s interesting. I’ll buy it. Unless there’s a CC.

Alright I’m here

There’s a reason to do what I’m doing. Need Mag1c to say what he did, and then I’ll reveal everything.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 4:29 PM (post #34)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 8:07 AM (post #20)

Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.

How would you know who visited you and why would that make them scum automatically? You not being dead is a good sign already that it wasn't neccesarily a scum visit, and if you were roleblocked you wouldn't know who visited you. So calling attention to this like that is weird if you are town.

Ill answer this after Mag1c claims what he did