ILikePie5

I don’t think we have a choice but to lynch Wryly here based on the way her role works

yeah. that makes sense, what doesn’t make sense is why they wouldn’t just straight up claim 3P? it’s weird.

Cause TP Caroler who is a Survivor doesn’t want to be NKed by scum. They lose on the spot

This role could horribly backfire and if you were town you should have claimed this night one. Also even if this was legit you didn’t play it optimally, didn’t hint that you were a power role to try to bait a night kill, what incentive did mafia ever have to try and kill you? Also this role kind of conflicts with the ascetic, that’s two unvisitable roles for mafia to play around definitely a conflict

Math wise, we are at 5-2 or 4-2-1 right now.

Let’s say we mislynch (4-2) and scum NK Wryly (3-2) and get the additional kill (2-2) but scum dies (2-1). It’s LYLO tomorrow. At 4-2-1, we’re probably screwed. Cause mislynch to 3-2-1 to NK is 2-2-1 to additional NK is 1-2-1 to scum death it’s 1-1-1.

That additional kill is killer for us if scum do its at MYLO. It’s basically an insta win for them

Tell us everything. Right now, it seems like you shouldn't have had that carol. Also, are you sure it was a carol and not a mafia messenger pulling a fast one?

Ask just to make sure. But if Wryly asked questions about it and she got answers, it probably isn’t a scum message. Cause that would be bastard

also Rex picking up on the Wylted thing immediately and being the first to mention it kinda makes sense if he’s the one who Carolled Wryly lmao

it’s a logical leap but the idea is that you interact with those you had secret interactions with, because they’re on your mind

Wym? Cause if you can prove REF is a Caroler, he’s probably TP. And that means that Shining is scum.

I'm wylted, as my wylted-esque posts should indicate to you. Due to my trigger-happy playing style, I am the 1x Dirty Bomb. If I'm targeted for the NK I take the scum down with me, but I also kill anyone else they may have visited that night

What do you mean by the last portion? Like if scum NKed you and role copped me, You, scum, and I would die?

So the giving of that message has nothing to do with your role? Thoth just said verbatim that it’s Hated/Popular?

Pie - Mikal - Odd Night Roleblocker

Lunatic - Vader - Oracle

REF - Ultra - Ascetic

Shining - ILikePie5 - Hated/Popular

Wylted - Mharman - Innocent Child

Wryly - Wylted - 1x Dirty Bomb

Magoroth - Kohai - Reroller (NP1=Deflector)

Banana - Lunatic - Inventor (Doctor, Tracker, Neighborizer)

Kohai - Whiteflame - Lie Detector

Why are we pretending like there isn't a possibility that a town caroler lied about their claim?

Why would a townie lie about that? It town confirms them, plus it sheds light on Wryly.

I mean if they get one more carol off its pretty much a guaranteed win. If they claim they will 100% be either fucked with or killed. Entertaining the idea of a scum caroler or of a 3p caroler in a 9 player game is retarded.

Whats the reason why a townie would not come clean right now? They’re just causing more chaos. And they clearly TOWNREAD Wryly to give them a Carol. Why would you keep yourself hidden.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, and I would be scum reading the players doing this if they weren't town confirmed. It also makes zero sense for Wryly to make up a carol result. Like this is all painfully obvious? What am I missing? I say just lynch Pie and its a guaranteed town win. We narrow scum in the first carol to me or Shining (or Wryly if she's lying) if Pie somehow flips inno and we hopefully have a second carol to solve the game next DP.

If anyone in the list should be lynched, it’s you. Ascetic is a shitty claim. And the justification is garbage when players like Unsaid exist. JoeBob/Ultra did participate when he could

Unvote

VTL PIE

Let me get home and I’m going to reevaluate everything

Are we not focusing on how Wryly got a Carol when he was visited?

Go read the description again for Caroler on MU

Thoth refuses to answer whether the TP can joint win or mot

The question now which I asked Thoth is whether a TP Caroler would reveal scum or if it’s just a misdirect

yeah. that makes sense, what doesn’t make sense is why they wouldn’t just straight up claim 3P? it’s weird.

Cause it sets a target regardless of their affiliation.

Idk man, Carole’s is already a pretty safe claim. Why fake anything when they are confirmed

Cause to win, they gotta avoid being NKed

I’ve asked a whole bunch of questions to Thoth, so waiting for him to respond

Okay so here’s what I think happened:

1) A TP Caroler exists

2) They used their fake claim

3) They used their fake claim so scum don’t NK them because their win con is Survivor

Its a fair argument

Then how does the message work?

1x Neighorizer. So no, Pie, no one would have been able to protect Kohai NP1. He could not have been doctored or watched.

There was no reason for Banana to give the Doctor cause Kohai was already dead lol. But if he wasn’t, the Doctor could’ve been given

You can’t use it anyways, so just say it

At this point, you need to reveal everything

There’s another possibility. Caroler is scum and didn’t claim because their fake claim doesn’t match Caroler at all

If you’re a scum Caroler, just claim everything you have. It’s easy to believe that. No one would suspect you

Role blocking obviously would block her role not some random caroler gift but did somebody claim caroler or is it just a made up thing?

Or is a member of town a complete retard and just not admitting to the carol thing?

No one has claimed Caroler, which means there’s 2 possibilities:

A) There is a scum Caroler and they didn’t claim it for the sole reason of getting Wryly lynched.

B) There is no Caroler and Wryly is lying

Issue with A is that in the long run, it just makes it easier to win as a claimed Caroler. So B imo is more likely, and Wryly just messed up or something

Am I missing something with wryly? She's like 90% scum here isn't she?

Unless a townie is lying. I only see the two scenarios I described earlier. A fake scum Caroler is theoretically possible I guess, but it doesn’t make sense for scum to not just claim that. There could be some weird TP mechanic here as well, but face value, it does seem likely the Wryly is not town

You know what? I think Rex may be confirmed-ish. 

Remember what thoth said dp1 OP? 

"I mainly picked regulars, but I also included at least one player who would not be considered a regular or to have had much impact on this site's Mafia community."

Ultra is like the only one who matches that desription, and I don't see why he gives the non regular player to scum, but its possible IG.

Thats a good point. It makes it more likely that Wryly is lying about the Carol. Maybe their scum partner bailed on her

Anyway, I am ILikePie. My justification is that many are in awe of me because I dominate town as either alignment, but people also think I am a bit of a knob and that there are big overlap of people who think both about me. 

So what’s your role actually called?

Yeah, that was me.m

How?

I feel like town Pie would be trying to lynch me right now because in his mind it should be between me and Shining. Instead he seems to be looking for a way out of the carol.

No one has claimed Caroler lol. So we need Wryly to explain herself. Cause she could just be lying about all 3 people.

Pie is also known for being a mafia ego maniac, thinks he is a god so this is also common knowledge lol. No offense pie, love ya buddy. Tbf he does have a pretty good win percentage and elo, not that that he isn't ever wrong.

I think I’m better than average. Have been my whole life

One last thing, I do find it odd that Pie isn't calling out my claim as scummy. Its like he doesn't want to call attention to the fact that his claim is also scummy.

I don’t get the justification you have. Someone who just doesn’t talk = Ascetic? I would expect Vanilla. But regardless, we need to hear from Wryly. Cause there’s game hinges on what she says.