I agree with ILikePie5 that shining claiming here is a little sus, it kinda feels like it wasn’t really necessary? I don’t think anyone was actually doubting my claim
The only way Shining is scum if Shining and Wylted are partners. Shining could be town and Wylted could be scum still with a fake claim, but otherwise, Shining should be mechanically town.
Know what? Sure. My consort role is Odd night Rolecop, my noble consort is odd night cop, and my passive is careful.
Interesting indeed.
Was wondering when you would catch up to this lol
Everytime we’ve seen a CC with the same role, they’ve been on opposite teams. So either you’re scum or he’s scum
Have you both full claimed yet?
I’m fine getting a claim from Awesome but there’s a direct CC between Wryly and Shining right now.
Wryly isn't scum?
I sus her too based on her Tracker claim
Well, they have it jackass. Are both Mago and I lying scum?
I think behaviorally, Mago is scum. Mechanically I think you’re scum. Are yall scum together? I don’t think so.
Isn't it just as likely shadow poisoner works by visiting someone, and whoever the target visits gets poisoned instead? Would make sense, especially since I wouldn't have known if it wasn't for my passive.
Thats unlike anything we’ve ever seen before. I mean yes anything possible, but this just seems like TMI
I can confirm a poisoner though broken or not. And I agree it is a bit busted I am hoping it is x shot or something to balance out.
That’s what I’m thinking. It’s probably restricted behind a lot of favor. So it doesn’t make sense for scum to have it NP1.
Well, he's now saying his Watcher was disabled. Don't really get that, either. Didn't see an Enabler in Mikal's flip. Fair enough point on the potential gambit, even if that doesn't explain the apparent confirmation by Shining. He's not my main concern atm, but I'll at least consider it.
It’s a role confirmation at best, not affiliation confirmation.
I just don't see the point of confirming Mago's roles if Shining's scum. Yes, it was easy to do, but what's the point?
Towncred. But he also backtracked from that a little by saying the Poisoner visited him. And he was CCed on that as well
I targeted Magoroth because he was constantly lying and pushing a mass claim. I investigated him so that I either catch him in a lie or I at least confirm his roles so we don't end up barking up the wrong tree like we usually do.
So you scumread him in DP1?
VTL Shining
I have a passive called Perceptive that activates at Imperial Noble level. It lets me see which roles target me in a given night. This sounds identical to the passive Shining is describing, although he's claiming he had immediate access to it in addition to Rolecop, which would mean he would have to have started with high favor or be the Empress.
Well well well
Tough decision because I had no idea who even had enough favor to be worth tracking, plus Mago had run around in circles waving a flaming torch and accusing everyone and their grandmother, so there were a wide range of possible scum who would be on their guard, but Mikal had said several of his roles overlap with Mago's and I decided to investigate that soft CC, and I figured Mago would probably be mislynched before the end of the game so why waste an investigative on him.
Didnt you townread Mago at the end of the previous DP?
also since mikal was the empress and died does that mean vader appoints a new empress today? doesnt empress get a double vote?
They’re 2 different things.
im suspicious of big players like you pie wylted whiteflame mostly, I would be very surprised if there was not scum in you guys, but wylted is probably town at least
Comes with the reputation sadly
Why do you think mikal was targeted for the night kill?
Cause he was the one preventing the lynch on Mago. I think it was a WIFOM kill. He’s been running it the entire game
wait, if magoroth is poisoned what's the point of lynching him
There is none, unless we think he’s lying. In that case, if there are 2 scum, one of them is completely off the board. He’s already snaked his way out of DP1. The consecutive DPs make it extremely dangerous for scum as their odds of getting lynched skyrocket. And assuming he’s lying, he could just say he was “gambiting” like he already has. He’s already done it before and everyone believed him.
Can you ask Rex to clarify if you are indeed poisoned? Maybe the poisoner has two actions and visited both you and margo. Just trying to make sure this isn't a CC situation because two poisoners is a bit crazy scum sided.
Scum having an NK and Poisoner is also broken imo. It makes sense if the Poisoner activates with more favor. But NP1 having both is broken. This train of thought has be sussing Shining A LOT more.
I was targeted by a shadow posioner. Isn't it more likely the posioner can target someone, and whoever they visit gets poisoned? idk
What makes you say that?
Well I've done a bit of a 180 on magoroth, was still pretty paranoid about him going into the night and was actually planning on doing exactly what wylted did and seeing if I could bait a reaction out of him with a fake result, because he was falling into a lot of scum tells yesterday, but there was still a big part of me with doubts. But with the poisoner targeting him and my role kind of confirming the existence of a poisoner, it stands to reason.
I still don’t buy Mago being Town. Being “Poisoned” seems like a ploy to avoid being lynched these next to days under the guise of, “I’m going to die anyway.”
Also Shining claimed that the Poisoner visited him. Unless there’s 2 Poisoners, someone is lying.
While I would agree in general that multiple investigation roles seems kind of powerful, I think we can give that argument a little bit of leeway considering its all based on favor, technically people only have a role or any power if vader grants it to them, so theres a world where none of these investigative roles are ever active at the same time. I am getting strong town vibes from pie also, might just be he is echoing a lot of my thoughts. Not feeling the best about wryly anymore based on her voting behavior last day phase, for how scummy mago was acting I think she was trying to save face by not voting him thinking him flipping town would make her look good, other people town reading mago had more reason for it IE mikal, but wryly was just non committal for the sake of it, and when I called her out on it, she kind of just dismissed it as a joke, so it suggests some inside information to me. That said the tracking result plus targeting a claimed miller does lowkey make sense so I am not full sussing her yet.
I think you’re dismissing the investigative argument too quick. A Cop, Watcher, Tracker, and Rolecop in the same game. Regardless of the favor mechanic, the odds of scum having at least one of the latter 3 makes sense for the game.
Okay, I'll just out this. I have a passive that allows me to tell who visited me during the night, and something called a shadow posioner did.
Interesting. Never heard of a Shadow Poisoner before. I presume REF didn’t say anything about you being poisoned, which could mean that the Poison Doctor visited you, you’re passively immune, or theres some other funky mechanic with it. But this is a direct CC of Mago. Two Poisoners don’t make sense at all
Has anyone claimed cop?
I don’t think anyone has but if Wylted is telling the truth, there should be one
Did you visit me last night?
No
Honestly, Mago is acting like a schizo, so while policy lynching a huge mislynch target DP1 just for the information and removal of liability. I played with a lot of erratic people before. Its NAI, and I have a gut read on Mago.
So why did you investigate him NP1?
Additionally, I do have something else to report, but will out it later.
Magoroth comes off as pretty townie after all this.
Before I went to sleep last night, I asked REF about the message someone would receive if they were Vanillaized. He said something like you are vanilla now. So he definitely wasn’t vanillaized. Now for the poison — it could be a gambit to survive the 2 DPs. Cause why would Town lynch someone who is already on the deathbed basically. And then later he claims he was cured or something magical happened.
He and Shining would have to have tied themselves together with this Rolecop claim and I don't see them being quite that obvious about that. Couple that with the Poisoning/Vanillaizing (seems over the top for providing himself with cover if that's what he's doing) and I just don't see him pulling all this as scum.
I disagree. Mago had already revealed his roles yesterday as RB, Watcher, Vengeful. He could’ve just restated what Mago said. I’d wager there’s one scum in between them. I don’t think they both can be scum.
I've played games where there was a Tracker and a Watcher, so it didn't seem like an impossibility to me. Also, the favor mechanic means that Rex can hand out a lot of goodies without the game becoming imbalanced -- a lot of these roles may never activate.
I don’t recall this game. Which one? Also, if Wylted is telling the truth, there has to be a Cop in the game as well. Bottomline, you, Wylted, Mago, and Shining are in a soft CC.
What are poison and Beloved Princess?
A Poisoner poisons someone in the night, and they die in the future unless saved by a Poison Doctor usually.
Mikal was a hybrid Beloved Princess. Normally if they’re lynched, there are 2 NPs in a row, but if they’re NKed, there are 2 DPs in a row. Here it’s just the 2 DPs
I tracked Mikal last night and saw him visit Wylted, so assuming I wasn't redirected, there is a possibility Mikal just used his High Adjudicator on Wylted to transfer favor, though I don't know why he would do that, and I don't think Wylted would be informed of who the favor was transferred to -- and Magoroth says he didn't receive any notification of a favor increase in any case.
Wait hold on, a Tracker, Watcher, and Rolecop? There’s no way all 3 of yall are town. Thats wayyyy too many investigative roles.
Also, why didn’t you CC Mago? A Tracker and Watcher doesn’t make much sense.
As much as I think we should have lynched Mago DP1, I am coming around to him being town.
Explain
Well, I got news for you all. I rolecop'd Mago last night. His consort role is odd night role, his noble consort is even night watcher, and his imperial consort is vengeful.
Rolecop? Interesting
