Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:17 PM (post #138)
Orrr. there is somehow a town role which removed WF's role which in that case LOL FUCKING HELL. Mag1c or Kohai better have God level powers as town to balance that bullshit.
My only god level power is being popular. I guess to prevent scum from being able to quick hammer me before MyLo
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #136)
Given the gamestate I will go ahead and make a split claim.
I am either effectively a citizen with no action or a paranoid gun owner with limited shots.
Either way I will point to how I was baiting as a PR D1. I even called myself out on it D1. But was I doing it to bait to kill a mafia or to bait the kill to keep other TPR alive? That is a question I would rather leave open.
I will again confirm that I do not visit and had no action that would have been seen by anyone last night. Its also why I am so critical of the Blackmailer + Vanalizer thing + the negative town modifier + the insta mafia win mechanic. Im kinda stuck on how imbalanced that feels and 'if' Noah is town it doubles down on that being another town role that can screw town royally. If they are scum you still have the question of which of WF and Mag1c is lying.
So if PGO that’s the THIRD negative role. Hmmm. Something feels so screwed up
Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist
Graveyard
Lynched DP1:
Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.
Died NP1:
Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.
Living
Claims
Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)
Helz- Ehud Barak- Either VT or PGO
NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1) 2x redirector
whiteflame- DJT - Claimed vanillaized
Mag1cman - Claimed to have been blackmailed
Unclaimed
Lunatic
Mag1cman
Thoth
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:11 PM (post #134)
What do you mean Justfication?
Every role has a justification, a reason **why** that character has that role.
Side not
Flavor on our site is a lot like fan fiction / role play. If character x was a mafia character then what role would this character have and why?
Obviously summarize / paraphrase and not quote directly
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:04 PM (post #129)
Idk if I'm able to say this, but I'm a Town Redirector
Whats your justification?
Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist
Graveyard
Lynched DP1:
Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.
Died NP1:
Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.
Living
Claims
Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)
Helz- Ehud Barak- Has an action, role unclaimed (post 14/174, dp1)
NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1) 2x redirector
whiteflame- DJT - Claimed vanillaized
Mag1cman - Claimed to have been blackmailed
Unclaimed
Lunatic
Mag1cman
Thoth
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 9:59 PM (post #123)
A redirector.. Makes me even more confident that there can not be a Blackmailer and a Vanalizer.
The question is if this is a town or scum redirector? I have seen town redirectors before but in town hands it’s usually negative utility. That would make two negative utility roles
Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist
Graveyard
Lynched DP1:
Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.
Died NP1:
Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.
Living
Claims
Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)
Helz- Ehud Barak- Has an action, role unclaimed (post 14/174, dp1)
NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1) 2x redirector
whiteflame- Refused to claim, says Epstein is prominent in his PM (post 89) - Claimed vanillaized
Mag1cman - Claimed to have been blackmailed
Unclaimed
Lunatic
Mag1cman
Thoth
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 9:57 PM (post #118)
I wouldn't know if this is beneficial to town, but I'm 2x Redirector
Who did you target last night?
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 9:53 PM (post #113)
So ehh.. Is it crossing a line to ask you @Kohai if something was put in place to declare a blackmailer bastard or not? I do dislike messing with setup meta for analysis but its happening..
IMHO blackmailer is bastard. That said everyone has different definitions of bastard
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 9:48 PM (post #111)
Two things came to mind when I gave the Vanillaizer and Blackmailer some thought.
First, we haven’t confirmed that the Vanillaizer is a scum role. There are town roles like Prober that would Vanillaize town players they target, and no, I wouldn’t expect whoever would have done that to just come out and say it.
Second, a Blackmailer makes a lot of sense in the context of this game, specifically, especially if we think the scum team is some combination of Epstein/Maxwell/Dershewitz. There’s a long history there of blackmail and blackmail-adjacent activities, even if they remain defiant about them.
Neither of these are a given. I still believe it’s very unlikely that scum have both a Vanillaizer and Blackmailer. But I can see a world where they only have one or the other.
If it’s a town vanillaizer then that’s two major negative utility roles for town.
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 9:14 PM (post #105)
Should I expose my role now?
Only if you feel it is beneficial to town and / or have any results from your actions last night
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 9:26 PM (post #108)
Did you get my last comment Kohai
Yes.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 9:07 PM (post #98)
The long and short of it is that I don’t trust the existence of both a Vanillaizer and a Blackmailer here, either, but I also think it would be odd for a scum team that has a Vanillaizer to fake a Blackmailer claim, particularly if town is as weak as it looks. Doesn’t mean I’m accepting Mag1c’s statement that he was Blackmailed at face value, I’m just trying to determine if he’d take this big of a risk. Dude has claimed to be affected by a Poisoner before as scum, so I wouldn’t put it past him.
Right now town claim only has
-2x doctor
-popular
1 major negative utility role
blackmailer + vanillaizer does seem way too OP
trhjng to re think through: Would w!Helz allow Mag1c to actually live given the tunnel from yesterday?
Ugh
Wait one thing about mag1c’s claim: Troocallt someone who is black mailed isn’t even allowed to claim that.
Ugh
Perhaps a mass character claim should be done to help narrow the theme split?
If the split was somehow between world leaders and entertainers of some sort then Noah would be outted.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 8:58 PM (post #85)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 7:55 PM (post #81)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 8:54 PM (post #79)
But I’m just done arguing this. If Kohai and Helz want my character, I’ll just give it. I’m DJT.
Hmm so 3 world leader claims. Interesting
Wasn't gona say it but D1 they did say they were a world leader after I pointed out we have a potential split between world leaders and entertainers. Kinda hoped they would forget they said that and I could call a slip but I could just be wrong about them.
Well we have world leaders and one entertainer (Michael Jackson) that’s town. So I don’t think that’s the split there.
Magoroth died last night and was voting Thoth.
I am so unsure of myself this game
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 8:54 PM (post #79)
But I’m just done arguing this. If Kohai and Helz want my character, I’ll just give it. I’m DJT.
Hmm so 3 world leader claims. Interesting
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 8:45 PM (post #73)
Why was my comment marked offensive and why did I get logged out?
I fixed this. I think somehow your entire profile got marked offensive. I corrected it so it is no longer marked offensive
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 8:45 PM (post #73)
Why was my comment marked offensive and why did I get logged out?
Sometimes the app logs you out. I think if I recall correctly it auto logs you out every 7 days.
UNVOTE
Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 4:32 PM (post #49)
I just read up and have some commentary to make, but a few things to do in real life first.
Heads up: I am straight in the path of Hurricane Isaias, so there is a decent chance I will lose power for a while. I should still be able to play through cellular connection.
Same here.
I hope you stay safe.
This weekend is gonna be brutal
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 7:52 PM (post #60)
Putting this to everyone: should I claim or no? There’s value in the information, but at least for the sake of preventing fake claims, there’s value in keeping it hidden as well. I’ll give away this much: my character is going to be pretty obvious for this theme.
I think there is value in the claim and us getting the information
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 12:43 PM (post #39)
What I find interesting about this analysis is how you are removing certain teams based on loosely explained town reads like Noah and thoth, which feel more like vibe reads, and you lumping me in with helz. You are ignoring a helz/magic bus for some reason, but you also think someone like me who is notorious for bussing as scum (I seriously do it every game, even last game I was scum with Pie I bussed him), yet you think I am paired with helz despite never pushing him once and even defending that I wouldn't lynch him dp1. So your proposing that I randomly switched into a meta where I pro buddying my team mate? The whole POE analysis feels far too early to be putting confident pairs together like that IMO.
Fair points. What do you think is the most plausible team?
FTR Helz is far stronger of a SR than you.
