How does the night phase works? What prevents the mafia from stalling out the night phase to use up some of our seven days?
How does the night phase works? What prevents the mafia from stalling out the night phase to use up some of our seven days?
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Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/29/2026 at 6:19 PM (post #10)
Magic called out the theme split AND Athena's cop role DP2. If he didn't waive he would have lived to DP3.
I was reading my theory of Lunatic/Kohai or less likely, Vader/Pie.
I didn't think scum Pie would kill me, and was going to claim a visit that, hopefully, scum Pie would claim to have seen. That was the point of the waive. It was risky.
We didn't even kill you for the role, we just killed you to add to the split dynamic since you were kind of allying pie, plus killing you would have been the only way to justify me living as long as I did, after whiteflame was calling attention to me being cop, the only way it would make sense for me to be alive is if they were targeting the doctor. But considered letting you live to pocket pie since you seemed to be town reading him, and would maybe support him against me in dp3 when we planned to 1 v 1 each other. But you are always kind of a risk of flipping so decided you were the best kill.
Originally Posted by Bullish on 9/29/2026 at 5:59 PM (post #8)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/29/2026 at 7:26 PM (post #5)
yeah the setup was something.
I was literally forced to lie about my justification because of how much of a stretch it is and no one would believe that we may keep zombies as pets.
Watch Shaun of the Dead
One of my all time favorites.
Tbf we had no clue that the cop didn’t exist either. We thought it was Thoth at first then we thought it was Whiteflame. My goal was to CC the cop, 1 v 1 pie, lose, set him up for the end game and get utility from the death aspect of my role. Was super surprised when no one CCed the cop lol
We all love you kohai. It's just a game bud.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/29/2026 at 7:53 AM (post #209)
Anyway, like I said, well played. I'll save more detailed thoughts on the setup for the endgame, but I do think we were almost doomed to lose after a certain point.
Yeah maybe, though our lawyer seemed almost useless in hindsight. Also Banana's role could have screwed us too, we got lucky taking that out. Yours could have been bad if you had targeted pie too.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/29/2026 at 7:45 AM (post #200)
I guess maybe the whole Athena thing was the actual Cop, but it's weird to include a Miller for a role someone might get.
Yeah my guess is that magic had a cop in one of his roles. I went in to today expecting you to CC me as cop, the whole plan was for me to 1 v 1 pie, lose, and he goes to mylo with town cred. You were supposed to be the cop. I thought you were setting me up as the cop last day phase because you were trying some big brain tactic to CC me because you really were the cop. My mind was blown when there was no cop CC lmao. I was supposed to die!
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/29/2026 at 7:40 AM (post #196)
Lol, was it seriously Luna/Pie? Did not see that coming.
Yeah lol. I got the whiteflame curse. 3x scum in a row :/
GG
vtl kohai
I am really thinking its kohai and pie. This rules out me and whiteflame and me also as we could have coordinated a quickhammer if we were the scum team. Literally no reason not to if we were both scum right now.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/29/2026 at 5:57 AM (post #184)
Just verified with Bullish. The count would be 2.
Alright if he is scum lawyer, then you would have to be scum with him, which I don't neccesarily buy why you would tie yourself with him. If hes scum he is basically just a godfather. I guess it's possible pie is a redirector and redirected me or something too. Not sure if he picked up on me being cop. Hmm...
I wasn’t set on kohai being your partner*
Not pie lol
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/28/2026 at 9:26 PM (post #178)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/28/2026 at 4:13 PM (post #165)
I've gone back through the Pie/Kohai stuff and I keep coming back to the same thing: I think these two could very easily be partners.
The DP1 fight looks way better as distancing to me now. Pie jumps on Kohai, Kohai fires right back, and suddenly you've got this nice little "look, we're obviously fighting" dynamic between them. But neither one actually needs to go all the way with it. Pie gets credit for pushing scum, Kohai gets to look like he's defending himself. Pretty fucking convenient.
And look at where we are now. Kohai is sitting on my green while also telling everyone that my green might not mean shit because GF exists. Like... pick one lol. If my result is unreliable, then why are you using it to take yourself out of the POE?
Then he gets to sit there and point at me, Vader, Whiteflame, whatever, while he's basically considered untouchable. That's a hell of a position for scum to be in.
I'm not saying "they fought in DP1, so they're partners." That's lazy as shit. I'm saying the whole progression makes sense if that fight was manufactured separation.
Especially if we lynch pie and if Pie flips scum, Kohai is absolutely the first person I'm looking at. I don't think we should keep giving him a free pass because the checks are convenient for him.
I don’t blame you for bringing this back up. I should’ve listened to Mag1c when he called out your shitty logic. You guys really have no choice besides pushing Kohai/Pie
I wasn’t even set on pie being your partner til he started making it obvious by discrediting me and my results directly after using them to confirm himself and then blatantly siding with you today. Mafia just need one mislynch so you guys have to try and convince supa that is me wf at any rate possible. He can’t risk you being lynched and going into mylo alone against either of us, he knows he can’t get the mislynch without you lol
Does a self visit count as a visit for your role? Say if kohai lawyered himself the night you visited him would you see him move? Sorry if you answered this already.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/28/2026 at 8:52 PM (post #173)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/28/2026 at 10:51 PM (post #172)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/28/2026 at 8:44 PM (post #171)
See above as that’s case in point for why wf / Luna is the team.
Not scumreading someone =\= shielding them?
Also you have been bandwagoning pie all day phase, so the same argument applies to you.
Tell me why wf is town that doesn’t boil down to “I scum read pie / myself more.”
Give me an actual town case on wf
I thought you were scum reading me for “buddying” him and now you want me to make a town case for him? That makes no sense brother.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/28/2026 at 8:34 PM (post #169)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/28/2026 at 9:33 PM (post #168)
There is 0 evidence of me or Whiteflame defending each other or even overtly town reading each other.
Whiteflame not being my primary interest doesn’t mean I am shielding him. The argument reeks of desperation
Ok so answer: What is your read on wf and why?
The only thing that could give me pause on him is the fact that he’s a second investigative role, but we now have three so I think of the three pie is more likely to be scum. Whiteflame gets points for identifying I was cop last day phase yet not killing me. I suppose he could have let me live though because they don’t fear my result if he’s scum, which means mafia definitely have a godfather or lawyer or something, which is what we expect already anyways.
I don’t have a glaring scum read on Whiteflame, plus me thinking you and pie are scum means that the remaining are likely town, but I am open minded.
There is 0 evidence of me or Whiteflame defending each other or even overtly town reading each other.
Whiteflame not being my primary interest doesn’t mean I am shielding him. The argument reeks of desperation
I've gone back through the Pie/Kohai stuff and I keep coming back to the same thing: I think these two could very easily be partners.
The DP1 fight looks way better as distancing to me now. Pie jumps on Kohai, Kohai fires right back, and suddenly you've got this nice little "look, we're obviously fighting" dynamic between them. But neither one actually needs to go all the way with it. Pie gets credit for pushing scum, Kohai gets to look like he's defending himself. Pretty fucking convenient.
And look at where we are now. Kohai is sitting on my green while also telling everyone that my green might not mean shit because GF exists. Like... pick one lol. If my result is unreliable, then why are you using it to take yourself out of the POE?
Then he gets to sit there and point at me, Vader, Whiteflame, whatever, while he's basically considered untouchable. That's a hell of a position for scum to be in.
I'm not saying "they fought in DP1, so they're partners." That's lazy as shit. I'm saying the whole progression makes sense if that fight was manufactured separation.
Especially if we lynch pie and if Pie flips scum, Kohai is absolutely the first person I'm looking at. I don't think we should keep giving him a free pass because the checks are convenient for him.
Im down to lynch pie or kohai.
I've been thinking more about Kohai and I think we're giving him a little too much credit here.
The biggest thing is the GF argument. He keeps saying my Cop result could be messed with by a GF, but then uses my result to basically clear himself. Like, you can't really have it both ways lol. Whiteflame, your check on him only tells us he didn't visit anyone. A goon can obviously do that. And if Kohai is actually the GF, then my result isn't clearing him anyway. I also don't love how quickly he's narrowed everything down while basically taking himself out of the equation. That's pretty convenient if he's scum. I think Kohai deserves way more scrutiny than we've been giving him.
I am thinking kohai is likely just a godfather with pie as a strongman or something.
Kind of wiped right now but I'll catch up and post when I wake up. Sleep schedule is messed up
So kohai pie scum team looking like?