Lunatic

VTL Shining, down to switch to thoth or the new guy if people are inclined, and if shining wants to participate I can reconsider. But we are wasting limited time in the day phase and shining hasn't done anything other than a few nothing posts, this is not something we can deal with. If this player is scum he is getting a free pass. It's not purely policy at this point, nothing hurts worse than getting fucked by an inactive mafia team. Drafterman once said "An Active town will eat itself in the face of an inactive mafia". That qoute stuck with me, and he had a very good point.

Unofficial Vote Count

Helz (3/5): Mago, Mag1c, WF

Not voting: Kohai, Helz, Noah, Lunatic, Thoth, Shining

Triple checked this, it should be right.

I am a bit surprised you guys are okay with helz as our first lynch today.

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/7/2026 at 9:42 PM (post #298)

I have suspicion for the people that came in late but that's all so far, what do you think?

Mag has answered some of my questions, but he has not completely alleviated my unease of him. Also I am a little annoyed by shining, making an appearance just to do nothing. Not a fan of your contribution either, though I know a lot of it is due to inexperience. I would like to see you push a direction and make a decision sooner rather than later though that would help my unease about you. Lastly thoth's contribution has been whack, feels like he is barely contributing since we pressured him to play and when he has he hasn't done anything amazing.

Whiteflame, magic, helz, kohai I am okay with them for now, I would pursue one of the 3 I mentioned today I think.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 9:27 PM (post #296)

Lunatic is slight scum for the derp as though he did not play in Savant's last game

His last game "Andor" had day phases, so I don't know what you mean by this.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 9:27 PM (post #296)

Lunatic is slight scum for the derp as though he did not play in Savant's last game

His last game "Andor" had day phases, so I don't know what you mean by this.

The N0 cop idea, especially his stated reason, doesn't make sense. Let's say the cop does answer the question and tells us all who they would've checked N0... that is not a confirmation of who the cop would target NP1, as there is a whole NP for circumstances to change. I think it's more likely to be a tool for scum to plan around than an actual cop crumb opportunity. If someone susses who they said they would check throughout the DP, mafia can plan around that. It's limited, but it can help mafia scout for any cop check coming their way, more than it helps town decipher who a dead cop visited. And even if town is able to figure that out, it doesn't tell us the result, because the cop would be dead. Even if not part of a scum plan to scout for anything, it still feels like a fake contribution off its uselssness.

This part actually makes a lot of sense to me. How many times do we lose cops who got innocents on someone and no one knew who the innocent was? While we don't have np0 on this site often, its definitely something that can be useful in the future. I don't think this exposes a cop if every person has to do it, and it doesn't tell them who they are going to cop, only who they would have if they did already. I just disagree with this as a FOS point. The rest is kind of meh in regards to helz. Open to him being scum but I don't know if he's the dp1 lynch based on anything I've seen so far. Shining has done nothing since posting he was here.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/7/2026 at 10:09 PM (post #299)

Lunatic is my second sus. I liked what looks kind of like a genuine derp, but I swear I'm picking up the same tone he'd had as mafia in the past couple games. I find the latter much more indicative than the former. It's a much lighter sus than what I have on Helz. Slight scum.

I don't know how to respond to or address this. I think I generally sound the same every game I post, the only thing different is who I push, and if its based on oppertunity or genuine curiosity. If you could point out something specific I am happy to address it however.

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/7/2026 at 8:09 PM (post #274)

Anyway, I like that everyone is making gimmicks to their games, very cool. Did Kohai confirm his role yet?

He did. Gonna need some more thoughts from you than that, there is 10 pages of content for you to work with lol

What are your thoughts on the game so far? Anyone you scum read yet?

^ This is why we should use the bot, he didnt have my vote on mago either, which is fine because I am unvoting anyways

Can you ping shining and thoth seeing as we are on a crunch here?

Unvote

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 3:30 AM (post #197)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 07/10/2026 at 9:47 (post #196)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 1:22 AM (post #194)

Non-commital’s not really the right word but I don’t know how to put it. Subtly manipulative/trying to look towny can be added there too

Yeah non committal doesn't really make sense for kohai explaining RVS phase to a noobie. I guess I am just trying to figure out what it was that he was manipulating there, I don't see it lol. Seem's like an odd post to pick to sus someone which pings me that you are potentially manufacturing reads.

Nah I’m not manufacturing reads. Sometimes I get wild reads from nothing. It’s just hard to explain

Alright fair enough, not like I haven't seen that before lol

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 1:22 AM (post #194)

Non-commital’s not really the right word but I don’t know how to put it. Subtly manipulative/trying to look towny can be added there too

Yeah non committal doesn't really make sense for kohai explaining RVS phase to a noobie. I guess I am just trying to figure out what it was that he was manipulating there, I don't see it lol. Seem's like an odd post to pick to sus someone which pings me that you are potentially manufacturing reads.

Ok but that's the part I said I wasn't really on you for. Twice now I've asked about the Kohai vote and you haven't touched it. What was it about that post? Even "it felt like X" is better than nothing.

Also why tell us your role is weird? Nobody asked, and it just tells scum there's something interesting about you.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 11:37 PM (post #177)

I have a sus on Helz that I have not ISO’d to confirm yet. I’ll get it in the morning.

If you've got a Helz sus, just drop the gist now even if it's rough. Saying you have one and then not saying what it is doesn't help anyone.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 12:43 AM (post #179)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 07/10/2026 at 4:15 (post #163)

I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.

I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.

I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.

Before anyone says otherwise: I don’t think this is alignment indicative. Scum can make a mistake like this too

Also kinda interesting you jumped in to cover Mag1c's Pie thing before anyone even pushed on it. Not saying it's scummy by itself, but Mag1c was tempted to townread you earlier too. Gonna keep an eye on that.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 12:46 AM (post #181)

Does anyone want to pocket me? I will allow it just this once

I wanna pickpocket you. Give me all your money!

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 12:42 AM (post #178)

I doubt people can guess my role based on my character so I don’t mind claiming it tbh. It’s not exactly a role I’ve seen before lol

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8f/epsteins-island-mafia-dp1?comment_number=31

What was it abot this post you scum read?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 9:26 PM (post #170)

One thing that kinda struck me about the n0 hypos here: Both Helz and Mag1c hypos folks not in the game. Not sure if that means anything or not.

On the hypos, I don't think they're the same thing. Helz named Rex in his first post and right after said the player list got corrected, so Rex was probably just on the old list. Mag1c's is different. That was hours in, and "between Pie and Noah" basically means not picking anyone. Also kinda weird he didn't get the n0 peek idea when he's played a ton. Not a scumread yet, could be he was just lazy and didn't fully read what helz said. Seems like he gets it now.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/6/2026 at 9:16 PM (post #169)

Alright, time to ramble... hopefully mostly coherently...

Luna - Those early uncertainties about night phases kind of looked town at first, though it comes off as just not having read the full OP, something I'm guilty of as both town and scum. I can largely get into his head so far, even if it's mostly NAI - variable perspective on mass claims, handling the speed of the game over 7 days, saying he'd check me with that n0 investigation - but the read list gives me more to dig into. A little light on his reads of Mag1c and Noah so far. A little unclear on why he has a light townread on Helz in part because he's sussing Magoroth for volunteering his own character so easily when Helz requested it, but it's enough to give me a slight townread.

On Helz vs Magoroth, fair callout, but they're not the same thing to me. Helz asking for flavor is the part I said I didn't love. Asking is fishing, though, and fishing can come from either side. My Magoroth lean isn't really about the MJ claim by itself. It's the claim plus the "idk why but I scumread this" VTL on Kohai right after. That's a vote with no reason attached, and it's the main thing I'm on him for. The claim is just extra.

Alittle extra on magic/ noah since you said the reads were light.

Mag1c: lean town still, the part I actually like is that he went back and pointed at Mag and Helz for the early character claiming. That's a real read on people actively posting, not just vibes.

Noah: null, I'm being careful bc he's new. The instaclaim was literally him copying Kohai, which he admitted, and that reads more newbie than scum. What I'm watching is that he said he was suspicious of me, then dropped it as soon as Mag1c said his townread was weak. That's pretty sheepy. Same with putting Shining at L-1 without seeming to know what a hammer was yet. Not scum stuff, just means I can't read him off much yet.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 8:15 PM (post #163)

I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.

I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.

I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.

You realize pie isn’t in the game right?

Ok early reads, keeping it quick

Kohai - Null leaning town. The popular self vote is whatever, scum can be popular so it doesn't prove much. But he's been doing actual work explaining stuff to Noah, and unvoting so nobody accidentally hammers was a good look.

Helz - Lean town ish. Lots of process, n0 peeks are fine. Only thing I don't love is how hard he pushed everyone to drop flavor right away. That's exactly the info scum would want rn since they can only ask about 2 characters.

Mag1cman - Town lean. Reads feel genuine and he's actually pointing at people.

Noah - Null, he's new so idk how much to read into anything. He feels genuine, but I don't know what he looks like when he lies yet.

Whiteflame - Null for now. Not claiming flavor is just wf being wf, he says "don't mass claim" every game as both alignments, so it doesn't tell us anything by itself. What I'm actually watching is his reasoning for shutting it down. "We already have 3 character claims and a full claim so no point getting more" is fair, but it also conveniently stops the claim train right before it gets to him. Also his only real action so far is a vote on Shining plus "we should consider policy lynches," and voting the guy who hasn't shown up is about the safest vote in the game rn. Not scummy, just doesn't cost him anything. Wanna see him actually put a read on someone who's posting.

Magoroth - Slight scum lean. Claimed MJ the second Helz asked, then VTL Kohai with "idk why but I scumread this" which is... not a reason. Feels like he's trying to look busy without committing to anything.

Thoth - "Whazzup" lmao. Need more

Shining - Can't read what isn't there. Not super into a d1 policy on him yet when Thoth has like 1 post too.

VTL Magoroth

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 7:23 PM (post #155)

Hence why I was clear that it would prove my role and not necessarily alignment

... I know?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 7:11 PM (post #152)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #150)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 3:39 PM (post #81)

They claimed a "Popular" role modifier. This means for them to be eliminated they will require 1 extra vote. This can be proven by voting them to verify they do not get eliminated.

I personally just didn't care. I could see either Town or Wolves having such a modifier and I simply believe their claim given how easily it can be verified. So I accepted it as truth and moved on.

Same

To be clear wolves have had popular modifiers like this in Mikal’s games.

Yeah I have also made scum populars in many of my games, its very NAI.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 4:35 PM (post #114)

Standard D1 strategy of insulating potential alignment cops N0 peek.

Essentially if every player posts a peek then if an alignment cop is killed we do not have to guess who they checked. If I am the alignment cop I am then insulated while town is given direct claims post flip. If I am not then any other alignment cop would be protected and able to out claims without fear.

Interesting strategy, I will say n0 roles are fairly uncommon here, (I have seen it 3-4 times probably though).

My n0 peek is whiteflame.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 3:39 PM (post #81)

They claimed a "Popular" role modifier. This means for them to be eliminated they will require 1 extra vote. This can be proven by voting them to verify they do not get eliminated.

I personally just didn't care. I could see either Town or Wolves having such a modifier and I simply believe their claim given how easily it can be verified. So I accepted it as truth and moved on.

Same

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/6/2026 at 3:09 PM (post #67)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 06/10/2026 at 23:07 (post #65)

Are we planning on doing hours for those day phases?

I would be in favour of taking 48h or less for each day phase personally

24h would be better time wise but its really short

Lets see. I think since this is a standard 9 player game, we won't have to rush that fast, 3 mis lynches should still be game over so rapid fire mislynches could end the game in 3 days. 48 is more reasonable I think.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/6/2026 at 2:38 PM (post #51)

Also I had the random thought that we should immediately mass claim roles and shit because scum won’t have the time to make coherent claims, but then I realised it’s a really shitty strategy of winning the game so I’d rather we didn’t do that. Also there’s no guarantee it’ll work

We have done mass claims to varying success in the past, sometimes it works, other times it only gives town power roles away and doesn't lead us to much, widely depends on the theme being analyzed and whether or not mafia have access to fake claims or not.

Oh nevermind actions have to be submitted before DP end I got it