Lunatic

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #1236)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 11:05 AM (post #1234)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 8:52 AM (post #1232)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 10:34 AM (post #1231)

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:30 AM (post #1230)

If it weren't for the bad result. Id insta vote rex but im stuck on it. Its just way to easy of a way to confirm magic and himself.

I mean there's a million ways to explain that, including one in the flip. We've discussed them all, yet to keep stamping your foot and looking for ways to create a way I could be scum. Like I would understand your argument slightly better if I was the one who claimed the cop result. BUT KOHAI DID. I have no control over how he got the result he did. Its just insane man. Every reason you can come up with to scum read me you will. There's literally no point. Just lynch me and get it over with.

I'm going to do a deeper dive before I make a call, but I'd like to get into the result more along the way.

So just walk me through this. The result Kohai received would conceivably have been affected by something like a GF or a Lawyer. We know Mag1c wasn't the former. We do know Mag1c had the Drug Dealer role, which could have affected the results received by Kohai if he'd known what role to ask about. That being said, you've stated straight up that your role doesn't even have a name, so Mag1c likely couldn't have just called you "Cop" and had that been enough to satisfy the Drug Dealer's specific condition. I guess it's possible that Thoth would give some leeway there and modify the result, and the role does say that it will also modify information the target gives, not just receives.

Why don't you ask Thoth? I don't know the answer of how the drug deal works any more than you do. Straight up ask him how it would interact with a result, instead of expecting me to have the answer for a result I myself didn't even receive. Like I said, I wasn't the one claiming the innocent on magic, kohai was. I would understand the onus being on me to explain that if I was the one who claimed an innocent on him, but it just didn't happen.

It's your role, dude. You should be able to ask Thoth what, specifically, the Drug Dealer would have to call your role as in order for it to effectively change the result that Kohai received. I can ask a generalized question about whether a role like yours could just be called the "Cop" by the Drug Dealer and have the result changed, and I already have, but you should be able to get that answer tailored to your role, specifically.

I have already asked him, he isn't on right now. But you should be asking him if your the one with the problem with the result is my point. I asked him specifically "How would magic's drug deal work with my role" If you want to ask him the same one you should phrase is like "How would magics drug deal work with roles like a hypothetical cop who sends investigations to others" or something like that.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 9:05 AM (post #1233)

So Mag1c was pretty clearly falling on his own sword at the end there. He had to know that claiming the JK and saying he targeted the player who both claimed Link and claimed a successful night action would be a huge risk. Not saying that he knew from the moment he claimed that he was going to get lynched, but he clearly knew that the writing was on the wall if we bought into it wylted's claim at all.

Looking through his last few pages, I'm mainly wondering if his caps locked "LETS MAKE A DEAL" posts were more performative or real. Was that just outright desperation play knowing that he'd be fucked given how many people were pairing Luna and him, or was this some last minute distancing?

100% last minute distancing dude. Dude knew he was caught and about to be lynched. Since when do we ever trust someone whose known scum in that scenario?

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/22/2026 at 8:52 AM (post #1232)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/22/2026 at 10:34 AM (post #1231)

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:30 AM (post #1230)

If it weren't for the bad result. Id insta vote rex but im stuck on it. Its just way to easy of a way to confirm magic and himself.

I mean there's a million ways to explain that, including one in the flip. We've discussed them all, yet to keep stamping your foot and looking for ways to create a way I could be scum. Like I would understand your argument slightly better if I was the one who claimed the cop result. BUT KOHAI DID. I have no control over how he got the result he did. Its just insane man. Every reason you can come up with to scum read me you will. There's literally no point. Just lynch me and get it over with.

I'm going to do a deeper dive before I make a call, but I'd like to get into the result more along the way.

So just walk me through this. The result Kohai received would conceivably have been affected by something like a GF or a Lawyer. We know Mag1c wasn't the former. We do know Mag1c had the Drug Dealer role, which could have affected the results received by Kohai if he'd known what role to ask about. That being said, you've stated straight up that your role doesn't even have a name, so Mag1c likely couldn't have just called you "Cop" and had that been enough to satisfy the Drug Dealer's specific condition. I guess it's possible that Thoth would give some leeway there and modify the result, and the role does say that it will also modify information the target gives, not just receives.

Why don't you ask Thoth? I don't know the answer of how the drug deal works any more than you do. Straight up ask him how it would interact with a result, instead of expecting me to have the answer for a result I myself didn't even receive. Like I said, I wasn't the one claiming the innocent on magic, kohai was. I would understand the onus being on me to explain that if I was the one who claimed an innocent on him, but it just didn't happen.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:30 AM (post #1230)

If it weren't for the bad result. Id insta vote rex but im stuck on it. Its just way to easy of a way to confirm magic and himself.

I mean there's a million ways to explain that, including one in the flip. We've discussed them all, yet to keep stamping your foot and looking for ways to create a way I could be scum. Like I would understand your argument slightly better if I was the one who claimed the cop result. BUT KOHAI DID. I have no control over how he got the result he did. Its just insane man. Every reason you can come up with to scum read me you will. There's literally no point. Just lynch me and get it over with.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:21 AM (post #1228)

Going to ignore luna for now

Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:11 AM (post #1224)

Going to sleep you and concede to your choice. My ask is iso magic the last 2 pages

I do tend to not trust luna cus we both make big plays. And magic distanced from luna hard

Bro if I was scum you know I would have conceded already with the thoth confirmation thing. Also the "Distance" Thing, that was seriously a one sided distance if you re-read it. For a distance to work it would have to do more than just me telling magic he is on me for an idiotic reason. I don't distance that way. I dont even like to distance at all. I bus. I bussed the shit out of wylted in Pitt. Distancing is cringe.

Again I think its a joat tailor with an ability to send a message as a way of confirmation and tael was fake claim

Your willing to buy a double JOAT with a messenger, and you think I used a messenger np1 on the night when there are the most power roles in the game over a counter to something like a caroler. Like seriously. Use a brain cell. Try to tell me you aren't confirmation bias. Any time one of your arguments is met with logic you stretch something else into something that makes me scum. Haven't seen you do that with rex one time.

So stop being a pussy, vote me, and lose the game already lol.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:08 AM (post #1222)

Wf. Im on luna but ill vote with you cus i do have some confirmation bias with how he plays

I think luna is a joat scum role

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/22/2026 at 8:06 AM (post #1220)

Rex if your role is real you dont have a reason to. But can you state your justification and win con

If he truly didn't have a dog in this fight he wouldn't even post. If his role is real why the fuck would he care who wins and loses now? Hint hint.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/22/2026 at 8:03 AM (post #1219)

I mean it's obviously Luna. I can't win at this point and don't really have a dog in this fight but unless you think I came up with the most retarded fake claim of all time and spent half the game trying to cajole vigs into killing me I don't see how I can be scum in your eyes.

"Half the game" Bro your entire iso is 28 posts, and all of them are like a sentence long. Should have just let me win with you guys, it was pretty obvious I was going to, the fact that you guys didn't pick it up is mildly retarded. Looks like your about to win anyway though, since mikal has tunnel vision so GG's

Ready to just vote myself whenever. Only holding off so whiteflame doesn't bite my dick off in the end game. But there no one besides him seems willing to consider I am not scum, and it honestly just feels pointless. Let's get this over with so I can forever meme the shit out of mikal for being self righteously wrong, and move on to the next game already.

To think I actually thought you had a role cop and this would just be over already. Makes sense why you kept saying there was a ninja now. You shed scum locked me at EOD and are still alive. Same with kohai. It’s almost like you were left alive for a reason. Too stupid or ignorant to see the writing on the wall here I guess. I was always supposed be to ne lynched today. Rex probably knows you’d play into your own confirmation bias and literally doesn’t have to do a thing lol

And don’t try to play like you’ve been open minded brother. That’s a lie and we both know it. You’ve been going at every odd little angle to paint me as scum, some of it’s actually pretty wild. Despite logical responses and all the evidence to the contrary you’re still going to lynch me. Just stop the bull shit and do it already. I really want scum to win at this point. I’m don’t even care that I don’t get to win with them. You have all argued in bad faith. The only one who seemed genuinely interested in solving is Whiteflame lol

Magic was trying to set me up bro lol. He’s laughing his ass off in the graveyard probably.

I am ready to watch town fall on their own sword at this point to an afk mafia. Next time I’m scum I’m gonna pull the same shit Rex is doing and just not post and let town out wifom themselves to death. Seems like a solid strategy for scum. Lynch me. They deserve the win lol.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 9:12 PM (post #1210)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 11:07 PM (post #1205)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 9:03 PM (post #1198)

Really, the balance being dramatically off on purpose is the main concern I have, but we've been leaving out what is technically another investigative role: Banana's. She effectively copped be innocent at the cost of her own elimination. That's two roles that give results relating to alignment, and two giving results that relate to movement. Adding a third onto alignment, particularly one that also seemingly confirms the user, seems like dramatic overkill.

Like Mikal, I'm going to sleep on it.

Technically informed is an investigative too.

1. mikals role
2. my role
3. bananas role
4. kohais role
5. wylteds role

Even if you think I am lying that’s still 4 investigative roles, 3 if you think it’s a stretch to count informed as investigative. 3 is still a lot of investigative roles. No matter how you spin it, it’s confirmed there is an overwhelming amount of investigative roles in this game.

Can't say I agree that the Informed is investigative, but I guess it is at least somewhat akin to a Role Cop. Can't say I agree it's on the same scale as including another Cop who effectively self-confirms to another target.

I mean if its telling us an entire role that exists in the game, it 100% is akin to a role cop. Rolecops generally can't be fucked with either, so its arguably stronger than a cop which can be lawyered, godfathered, or otherwise manipulated.

Take that out of the picture though, and there's still 4 other investigative roles that mikal is claiming mafia have no counter to if they have a 1x messenger/tailor, which is the only basis mikal has to assume I am scum is that I am maybe a messenger lol. Like if I had come out and claimed to have the result on magic I could see why that would be scummy, but I didn't. Someone else completely claimed the result. I had no clue what that result would be. And it's being stretched that I faked it when I didn't even claim it. Do you see how infuriating responding to this type of allegation is lol

Confirmed multiple investigations actually provided a better case for scum having a counter to it with their other role. So far the only counter that we’ve seen they have is the drug deal, which you keep saying you don’t think was used. So if that’s the case the other scum had it have had a counter to investigation roles if you think there’s any semblance of balance here. You can’t just openly accept I’m a tailor/ messenger JOAT and ignore that Mikal

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 9:03 PM (post #1198)

Really, the balance being dramatically off on purpose is the main concern I have, but we've been leaving out what is technically another investigative role: Banana's. She effectively copped be innocent at the cost of her own elimination. That's two roles that give results relating to alignment, and two giving results that relate to movement. Adding a third onto alignment, particularly one that also seemingly confirms the user, seems like dramatic overkill.

Like Mikal, I'm going to sleep on it.

Technically informed is an investigative too.

1. mikals role
2. my role
3. bananas role
4. kohais role
5. wylteds role

Even if you think I am lying that’s still 4 investigative roles, 3 if you think it’s a stretch to count informed as investigative. 3 is still a lot of investigative roles. No matter how you spin it, it’s confirmed there is an overwhelming amount of investigative roles in this game.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 9:02 PM (post #1197)

Thoth told me it could be a joat with a tailor ability

”Could be” but there’s no way that scum could have a role to tell them I was investigative? You see my point? You are catering every ounce of logic into a narrative that makes me scum

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 8:58 PM (post #1193)

It literally could not have be fucked with

We see magics flip and there is no way for him to mess with results outside of hitting you exactly with no info about you dp1

Again they could have targeted Kohai too. And we don’t know what info they did or didn’t have. You are okay with accepting mafia has all these crazy JOAT roles when it comes to making me out to be scum, but dismiss any other way they could have mechanical information outside of that. You’ve had your mind made up from the beginning

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 8:58 PM (post #1193)

It literally could not have be fucked with

We see magics flip and there is no way for him to mess with results outside of hitting you exactly with no info about you dp1

So they had to have used something other than a tailor

So your claiming mafis had a tailor and chose not to use it? Bro you are an informed townie are you not? Your role said there is a tailor, not a JOAT. You are going to throw the game over the weakest logic ever but okay

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 8:56 PM (post #1188)

Yeah I think im good with luna

I cant buy that many investigation roles. And the result

Sitting on it for the night but that would be wild

You are about to lose over the weakest logic ever but okay. Thoth said this was a town sided game, also there is no protective roles in a game with two extra killers, but you can’t wrap your head around copious investigative roles? Okay dude lol

Pies role describes him as both a tracker and a watcher, not a tracker btw. Shits probably tailored but regardless

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 8:55 PM (post #1185)

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 10:53 PM (post #1183)

Wait it has to be luna

Caroler

Watcher

Tracker

All confirmed

And a 1x cop lol

Didn't think about that

Yup. I think you’re right. If the balance somehow includes both a Caroler and a Cop, plus an effective Tracker/Watcher and a Watcher… that’s kind of absurd.

Keep in mind that the cop is third party lol

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 8:45 PM (post #1179)

No you'd be a joat as well

Bro when have you ever seen a double JOAT

Also didn’t your role tell you specifically there was a tailor? Second scum has to be a tailor

You are the second person to mention the distancing thing so I will respond to this. If that was distancing it was pretty one sided. Magic was pressuring me over essentially nothing and I was defending myself against baseless bullshit. I didn’t even really suspect him until afterwards when he randomly dropped the allegations when I called him a lil bitch. That was what made me wanna investigate him in the first place.

Youve played scum with me enough to know that I distance better than that, and I would actually dishing some FOS back in return. See my distance with Wylted in the Pitt for an example of how I distance.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 8:35 PM (post #1171)

Its not a drug deal. Would not work on magic

He would have to know your shit and there's no way for him to know it.

On the same argument though for me to be scum I have to be exactly a one shot scum messenger for me to be scum. Which is a weak af scum team

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 8:32 PM (post #1166)

I've tried to come up with anyway for that result to be fake and cant

A lawyer doesn't make sense to have in the game unless its 1x

It has to be exactly a redirect if its truthful

Or A drug deal, and he would have had to guess to use it on me or kohai. Not sure how magic would have known to use it there, but I saw this dude solve an entire game dp1 as scum in Ted Lasso so idk

Has Rex said anything in your private chat?

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 8:27 PM (post #1159)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/18/2026 at 11:54 PM (post #406)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/18/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #405)

Why am I even being voted? Whatever, this is fucking retarded. If you want to let lazy scum lynch me DP1 like they always do you can lose.

THERE YOU ARE

Claim now or forever hold your peace. Still 2 hours to turn this train around.

Back reading here - Rex literally bargained for his life and promised to be more active. This is a promise he has not kept

Yeah I called him out for this last day phase

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 8:24 PM (post #1153)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 10:22 PM (post #1151)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 8:20 PM (post #1147)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 10:18 PM (post #1145)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 8:14 PM (post #1137)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 10:13 PM (post #1135)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 8:10 PM (post #1132)

If Luna is 3p then the logical conclusion is that mag1c was lawyered

I haven’t seen flavored cops in a long ass time but I considered maybe I was insane modifier since I am third party it would make sense. Kind of dismissed that though since I don’t even remember the last time I’ve seen an insane cop.

If mafia has a lawyer and used it on Mag1c then I would still get. Town result

With 4 investigation roles wouldn’t surprise me. How would a lawyer work with caroler? Can you ask? I’m driving. Also does third party show up as guilty on carol?

I had asked the question about the carol and 3p earlier. Thoth said that a third party could be in the carol result. However, one of the people in that list must be a mafia aligned player. So it could be town / mafia / third party

Waiitng on lawyer question

Id that’s the case and we know magic is scum, then I was already on the carol results lol. It’s not confirmation or anything but you’d have to believe he out both scum in the carol results instead of one town one scum one third party

That's always the mod psych question. Would the mod really put both scum in the reuslt?

Havr you ever seen a mod put both scum on a dreamer or carol result? I don’t think I have

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 8:22 PM (post #1149)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 10:17 PM (post #1143)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 8:13 PM (post #1134)

#441

Hold on, I might actually be confirmable. Was backreading a bit. Are there vigs? If one targets me they should get a message that would confirm me. Don't want to say what the role actually is cause I don't want scum manipulating shit.

Rex did say this after he initially claimed his character. If his goal was just to die, that would make sense, since he’d just invite a kill and his role would trigger if he was telling the truth. They obviously wouldn’t have received a message, but seems strange for scum Rex to invite a Vig to kill him.

Or he was setting this claim up from earlier. If you only have to survive til the end of day phase three and think you can sell that your the TP it’s a great plan. Rex has literally been AFK the whole game, his claim has completely carried him. He’s not even being questioned in LYLO lol

It’s a pretty shitty claim to set up that early. Not saying it’s impossible, but I disagree that it’s carried him at all. Dude got called out for it immediately, there was just a better target for a lynch last DP.

Any time he’s been in the chopping block though he’s magically been active. Which shows a level of lurking and awareness I think is being easily disregarded.