Lunatic

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/5/2026 at 1:53 AM (post #75)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 2:28 AM (post #73)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/5/2026 at 12:12 AM (post #72)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 2:03 AM (post #71)

His role had a passive redirection passive based on a percentage, I wouldn't exactly call that a redirector.

He was a 90% Nexus. That plus a town Redirector is just pure role redundancy.

I mean I did say that the balance in this game is totally whack, Not sure what kohai was doing with this one.

It's not "there are two roles that almost completely overlap" whack, though.

Yes it is lol.

We have a Vig and we have a Nexus with a 10% chance to kill. Never seen an unlimited Vig before (I think), but the two flipped roles are at least discrete. There's a little bit of lethality overlap, but with the Vig at a delayed start and the very slim chance of the Paranoid actually catching scum, I can buy it. A Redirector and a Nexus, though... Basically either you're Bulletproof, you're scum, or I'm appalled.

Regardless, there is little reason for me to narrow down wihch I am further. I see 0 point.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/5/2026 at 12:12 AM (post #72)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 2:03 AM (post #71)

His role had a passive redirection passive based on a percentage, I wouldn't exactly call that a redirector.

He was a 90% Nexus. That plus a town Redirector is just pure role redundancy.

I mean I did say that the balance in this game is totally whack, Not sure what kohai was doing with this one.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/4/2026 at 11:58 PM (post #69)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/4/2026 at 11:57 PM (post #60)

What I mean by me telling you I am not a scum redirector is that if I was a redirector, why can't I be a town redirector?

Because Thoth was already a Redirector.

His role had a passive redirection passive based on a percentage, I wouldn't exactly call that a redirector.

You're going to have to claim it eventually, but we can discuss whether that's necessary if your character is so thoroughly tied to your role.

I mean everyone will claim eventually. I dont see why that means today though.

Because one of those roles, as you so helpfully highlighted, is a role we should be wary of as a plausible scum role. If your role indicates your alignment at all, that would be a big help with scumhunting this DP.

Again. Your the one who said the thing about redirector meaning I should claim. I was basically saying if your worried that I am a scum redirector, don't. Still getting caught up on semantics with that. You are the one using a redirector as a means for me to claim lol.

Anyways we aren't getting anywhere with that argument. I am not against claiming if that is what people actually want, I just don't see how it helps anything progress and would at least like a behavioral reason to suggest I claim. Not just raw insistance that 1 of the 3 roles I could be is potentially a scum role, especially when we have seen that role used both ways many times. If it said "Ninja, godfather, or strongman" I would get that a little more.

Also you arent explaining why I need to even claim anything. Your results are out there. I am locked in to one of three things. I dont see why were doing this dog and pony show.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 10:04 PM (post #64)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 12:03 AM (post #62)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 9:59 PM (post #61)

Reread what I actually said.

Don't gaslight me Mister.

Lol, you're the one who called the role scummy, not me.

I didn't call it scummy, you based your reasoning on me having to claim being that you think I am a 50-50 between BP and redirector. What I mean by me telling you I am not a scum redirector is that if I was a redirector, why can't I be a town redirector? Im not confirming I am any sort of redirector, just specifically saying even if I was a redirector, I am not aligned with scum.

Re-read what I said, and it makes sense.

Saying I was concerned about the existence of a Redirector in the game doesn't mean that was an automatic scumread on the role, but sure, it would stand out a lot more than the BP. You're getting awfully defensive about the reasoning behind one line of text where you said the words "scum redirector" without any prompting.

I am not being defensive, I think we’re having a semantically dispute. Regardless I do not think your results justify further claim here.

I feel pretty confident about what you are, mainly just a matter of whom and why. You can at least start with a character claim, dude.

I can say the list of characters I submitted IG, but telling you my character would give away my role.

Semantical*

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 9:59 PM (post #61)

Reread what I actually said.

Don't gaslight me Mister.

Lol, you're the one who called the role scummy, not me.

I didn't call it scummy, you based your reasoning on me having to claim being that you think I am a 50-50 between BP and redirector. What I mean by me telling you I am not a scum redirector is that if I was a redirector, why can't I be a town redirector? Im not confirming I am any sort of redirector, just specifically saying even if I was a redirector, I am not aligned with scum.

Re-read what I said, and it makes sense.

Saying I was concerned about the existence of a Redirector in the game doesn't mean that was an automatic scumread on the role, but sure, it would stand out a lot more than the BP. You're getting awfully defensive about the reasoning behind one line of text where you said the words "scum redirector" without any prompting.

I am not being defensive, I think we’re having a semantically dispute. Regardless I do not think your results justify further claim here.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 9:53 PM (post #59)

Why would I? I dont understand the logic for me claiming, you've already ousted my claim to a 1/3 chance, no need to narrow it down further for scum.

You've basically already given away which one is your claim when you said the Redirector role would be scum, so I don't see what the issue is here. If you're the BP, just say so and we can move on.

Reread what I actually said.

Don't gaslight me Mister.

Lol, you're the one who called the role scummy, not me.

I didn't call it scummy, you based your reasoning on me having to claim being that you think I am a 50-50 between BP and redirector. What I mean by me telling you I am not a scum redirector is that if I was a redirector, why can't I be a town redirector? Im not confirming I am any sort of redirector, just specifically saying even if I was a redirector, I am not aligned with scum.

Re-read what I said, and it makes sense.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 9:41 PM (post #56)

Seen the first season of that forever ago good show and pick.

One of my favorites, definitely worth watching the rest when you get a chance

Will do

I think i've seen this role a few times but its been a while. Well your results are at least accurate so your either telling the truth or are a scum role cop.

That makes one of us. So at least you're confirming the result, though I don't understand holding back on your claim at this point.

Why would I? I dont understand the logic for me claiming, you've already ousted my claim to a 1/3 chance, no need to narrow it down further for scum.

I would rather not be forced to claim because you think I am a scum redirector.

When did I say you were the scum redirector?

Don't gaslight me Mister.

I would rather not be forced to claim because you think I am a scum redirector.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #53)

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/4/2026 at 10:50 PM (post #49)

If you have some sort of information about lunatic, I'd like to hear it.

Alright, I'll clarify and just claim:

I'm Midge Maisel from The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. I'm also a role I've never seen before, the Comedian.

Seen the first season of that forever ago good show and pick.

The way the role works is that I target someone and receive a "joke," which consists of a list of 3 roles, one of which is their actual role. I targeted Luna last night. The three roles I received were

Redirector

Delayed (NP2) Vigilante

1X Bulletproof

Considering one of those (the Vigilante) was Mikal's flip, that makes Luna's role a 50-50 between Redirector and BP. I don't like those odds.

I think i've seen this role a few times but its been a while. Well your results are at least accurate so your either telling the truth or are a scum role cop.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 8:26 PM (post #44)

I’m going to put it to Luna: anything you’d like to share?

No.....

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/4/2026 at 7:51 PM (post #40)

It's July 4th weekend and me and pie are Republicans. We are busy well doing this

https://youtu.be/c9paJ6teH_s?is=uEaHEJrpluq19IrE

RIP Trevor....

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/4/2026 at 2:17 PM (post #8)

Mikal’s replacement of Shining has been canceled. I’m /in for Shining.

Good mharman, we need someone like you to get in and stir shit up. Lock in. We need locked in mharm for this one. Day phase one was the most boring phase in this sites history, im pretty sure. Im sure lazy mafia was more entertaining.

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/4/2026 at 4:20 PM (post #19)

Who was on Mikals radar. Somebody refresh my memory please

I'll give you props for being one of the first people to take "who was he suspicious of" reasoning into account post mordem. It always infuriates me when I am town and die to someone I was blatantly scum reading and then no one factors that into the equation at all. We as a community need to do this more, as scum kind of just kill whoever suspects them with impunity

Whiteflame wouldn't let that enter his reasoning for choosing an NK target.

Whiteflame would however, call a bluff. And mikals bluff was very much called.

Banana who do you suspect on Shinings wagon and why? You said someone on that lynch was probably scum.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/4/2026 at 4:10 PM (post #16)

Love that Thoth and Mikal both lied about their roles, which made it appear like more of a CC than it was, and then neither clarified. Love when town lies for no good reason and then gets mislynched.

Mikal kill is weird. Maybe he had scum in his scumreads and they were afraid of getting shot? With Thoth flipping town he was a good mislynch target due to the pseudo-CC, as well as vig generally being a good mislynch target.

Problem is mikal didnt have many scum reads. I think he said he was gonna randomly shoot whiteflame or wryly, so its possible one of them killed him taking the threat seriously.

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7a/byor-mafia-day-phase-1?comment_number=97

This is a frustrating game. We have like nothing to show for mislynching. Mikals strategy back fired. Nothing to read on, no one has outed any results. I guess we got some mild role confirmation on Banana but thats about it.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/4/2026 at 6:51 PM (post #27)

The balance is still wacko no matter how you look at it. Theres also the theory that this means scum likely don’t have a redirector

I can already tell you the balance makes absolutely 0 sense. I am so utterly confused what kohai is attempting in a 10 player game.

Checking in, On my way to work. Sorry I missed EOD. I probably just would have voted Thoth though. Only thing he had going for him was I thought his wagon was a bit opportunistic

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/3/2026 at 3:44 AM (post #170)

Pure gutread. Only voting here because I don’t suspect anyone else harder.

VTL: Lunatic

Gut reads followed avote and no further explanation always confound me. Saying you gut read someone is one thing, but how do you expect to convince anyone else of it if you don't follow it with some sort of explanation? Might as well just call it an RVS vote.

Wryly is odd, but almost TWTBAW. 

I swear you fucks just do this to act pompous, because you want someone to ask you what the fucl TWTBAW means. Fuck it. Im not gonna ask. I DONT CARE. FUCK YOU.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/3/2026 at 1:05 AM (post #164)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/3/2026 at 2:06 AM (post #161)

i agree with wryly i think thoth is the best lynch today his whole claim was just wierd and the way he went about it, the not kniwin about the guy he picked, the way he made it seem like he was doin some gambit by not immediately outing then not understanding how his claim culd hurt town more than scum, etc etc. i jus think hes probably scum. was gonna give him a chance to do somethin to help me think hes town but he just kind of went awol after defendin himself and isnt really suggesting a better direction, i think hes scum and messed up with his claim and is trying to slurk in the shadows and hope our attention goes elsewhere.

VTL: Thoth

Tbf he did just get hit by a keylogger scammer so he may be busy dealing with that.

Wonder if its that mr.beast currency one that keeps scamming people in every freaking discord I am in. Super annoying. I fell for this one on facebook once and clicked a link and it sent a little ceasers promo to everyone on my friendslist. I was so embarrased.

Anyone else think Banana jumped on that a little too quickly?

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/2/2026 at 10:39 PM (post #157)

It's late and I don't have time to read this shit, I'll chime in tomorrow. Don't kill me, I'm town!

Well not much to catch up on honestly.

Glad your here though.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/2/2026 at 9:24 PM (post #150)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/2/2026 at 11:07 PM (post #149)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/2/2026 at 8:43 PM (post #148)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/2/2026 at 10:36 PM (post #145)

This game is so fucking boring

Doesn't help that the focus of our attention is an absent player.

Suggest anything else then. Mikal wants to skip the day phase because he hates dp1. Pie hasn't offered up any suggestions. You haven't offered up any suggestions. Wrlylys busy with her granny. Thoth just full claimed then dipped. Bananas done nothing. Shining never does anything. Wylted just trolls.

I don't know how to read behavior out of nothing.

We have mago who is a completely empty spot who probably won't come back. Mikal isn't a vig, so hes not getting night killed. Mafia will 100% leave him alive to fuck us in a lylo situation, or he is mafia. IMO I think he's the perfect target. If people wanna actually play mafia this day phase I am happy to focus on anything else.

Other than the obvious (mistrusting Mikal's claim for both being an unlimited Vig and close to hard CC-ing Thoth's claim, and mistrusting Thoth for SOP-claiming late with a role that is an odd mix of PGO and Nexus, both of which would warrant an early claim), there's not much to say. There's too little behavior to read into and it wouldn't matter for much in DP1 anyway. Lynching an inactive at least has some benefit to town for driving activity in future DPs. I'm at least up for letting Mikal prove himself, even if that means he does so by shooting me. Thoth would be a possible alternate pick, but at least we know his claim.

mikals 139 basically confirms he was baiting. I would rather lynch mago over thoth. Chances are town has at least one neg utility role and no one else has really come forward being sus of it outside of for the obvious reasons, leads me to believe their might not be a miller or hated or something.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/2/2026 at 8:43 PM (post #148)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/2/2026 at 10:36 PM (post #145)

This game is so fucking boring

Doesn't help that the focus of our attention is an absent player.

Suggest anything else then. Mikal wants to skip the day phase because he hates dp1. Pie hasn't offered up any suggestions. You haven't offered up any suggestions. Wrlylys busy with her granny. Thoth just full claimed then dipped. Bananas done nothing. Shining never does anything. Wylted just trolls.

I don't know how to read behavior out of nothing.

We have mago who is a completely empty spot who probably won't come back. Mikal isn't a vig, so hes not getting night killed. Mafia will 100% leave him alive to fuck us in a lylo situation, or he is mafia. IMO I think he's the perfect target. If people wanna actually play mafia this day phase I am happy to focus on anything else.

This game is so fucking boring

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/2/2026 at 2:22 PM (post #129)

I should try reaction baiting more. The only time I've ever done it was in Andor mafia when I asked whiteflame to modkill himself at LYLO to prove he was town. I wanted to see if Lunatic would jump on it and be like "yeah whiteflame, if you're town, throw yourself on the sword for a town win lol." Instead his reaction seemed pretty townie.

We should probably move on from Mago. I'm good getting a claim from Thoth or Shining.

Thoth has full claimed.