Thoth wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Pretty sure casey is a they/them or a female btw. Also casey was town in solo leveling so I am confused what you mean by that?
Casey told me that they are fine with she/her or they/them pronouns but mildly prefer they/them.
That is what I am basing that off of. But Mikal was calling them a he.
whiteflame wrote:
So I'll just be clear about my thoughts on Casey as well.
I can't say I'm outright scumreading Casey, but I can see Mikal's point that lynching Casey would either verify their result or take down one scum. I'm balancing that against the likelihood that scum Casey claims this role before knowing what so many players did during the NP, which places them at great risk of being told they were visited. As Luna has already mentioned, he's taken that kind of risk before. It's absolutely not unheard of. We are also unaware of the roles scum has, which could give them some indication of who visited whom and at least narrow the field to a few unknowns. Still, I've been slightly townreading Casey, but I can see the value in lynching them and I think it should be considered seriously.
Also casey taking the risk of claiming dreamer right off the bat when she was the number one other major wagon is another thing to factor in. Me risking it was still risky in Russia mafia just because I am an active player and a likely visit, but her claiming it as scum would be basically throwing, she should have assumed as scum someone would have visited her. Extreme amounts of risk for for extreme amounts of reward, but that reward isn't paying off since shes still being talked about being lynched. I think their just town, and its probably mikal. I know he's gonna throw a bitch fit about it so I probably won't engage much with him. I'll read his arguments and if there is anything new or convincing, I will take it with a grain of salt, but just spam repeating the same shit and using expletives, calling people dumb for not seeing it, etc, probably isn't going to do much to convince me.
For me it's him or bullish this day phase.
With a heavy lean on mikal.
My analysis and playtime is going to drop off a steep cliff fair warning. Will do my best to play and be active but got stuff going on (nothing bad) thats kind of distracting me a lot from mafia.
I think one, not both of whiteflame and mikal are scum. Their claims being so similar doesn't make sense if the yare on a scum team. Or its just a weird uncalculated play that they would have known would have drawn suspicion. I am leaning towards that being mikal based on the POE he's pushing, as well as being on the dreamer results.
The only reason to suspect casey seems to be hardline paranoia they are pulling a gambit, which is kind of dumb to me. I agree with banana and bullish that the fact that Mikal is pushing that way so hard looks like he is trying to set up mislynches for an easy LYLO based on mechanics.
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Pretty sure casey is a they/them or a female btw. Also casey was town in solo leveling so I am confused what you mean by that?
I am lynching between bullish and mikal today. I think there is decent reasons to lynch both, just need to sit on this. Casey being scum is a very real possibility I will consider as well. I just have some mental reservations as to whether they are the type of player to do that after seeing me do it in Russian Mafia. Kind of a copy cat play. Not sure if they do that or not.
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Whiteflame and Mikal suddenly maga town reading each other is so odd given everything. Maybe bias towards being in a private chat? Just logically doesn't sit well given the way actions and claims have worked. There should be some natural suspicion regardless of a bit of town vibes.
whiteflame wrote:
I'm going to knock off earlier tonight and read through the DP fresh tomorrow. I'll say I'm pretty split between Bullish and Luna atm for very different reasons.
Its strange to me how you are now completely town reading mikal.
UNVOTE
Motion detector- Dreamer- Tracker
One of these is probably lying.
As for Luna, I was townreading them about as much as anyone going into the last NP, but I can't say I've got a solid read on him this DP. I get confusion in response to all this, but not so much the shrug that he gave in his last post. I still want to townread him, but it's moving towards null.
Hardly just "shrugging it off". I have asked both of you what your thoughts are on the mess and neither of you have a clear answer towards it but "All I know is I am town". I don't really see the point in talking to just you two about it, I would like to see others comment, banana, shining, helz, magic, rex, etc.
I dislike Lunas post above. It's very unlike him just to throw his hands up and rely on other people for reads
I do better with behavioral analysis. I dont know what to make of this mess with night actions. Also I will be posting more in detail posts when I can, I am in the middle of a big war on conan exiles, so kind of distracted atm.
Idk I kind of wanna hear other peoples thoughts about this mess. Don’t really know what is going on.
whiteflame wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Pretty sure this is whiteflame, has the most conflicting results with a claimed tracker and being countered by mikal is not a great look.
If you want to prove it to yourself, go ahead and push for my lynch. I can only speak to what I know happened. If you want to believe that I’d go through the trouble of making up a Vanillaizer, claiming a redirection role in a game that apparently has several, chose to visit Shining with a role that clearly wasn’t the NK, and somehow got added to a separate Mason chat in the mix, so be it, but I can’t remember a game where I was willing to take so many risks simultaneously as scum.
I just need some other solutions to this to make it make sense. If its not you, are you and mikal both town redirectors? I realize your slightly different, but still seems interesting. Are you not suspect of mikal if you are town? Do you think rex is lying about his results? Why or why not? Sure there could be other explanations for this but prima facie there are still questions, and barring no answers I have to assume someone is lying in all this mess.
Bullish wrote:
Reading the last DP, I think Mago OMGUS voted 4 separate times lol. I think it was a town-led wagon.
You are the only person on the dreamer results who has yet to claim. Its your turn.
VTL: Bullish
So we got bullish and Whiteflame, just need to figure out the third maf. Down to lynch either today.
Pretty sure this is whiteflame, has the most conflicting results with a claimed tracker and being countered by mikal is not a great look.
Only unclaimed individuals at this point are, Banana, thoth, shining, bullish and magic. We know one of these is role confirmable as putting mikal and whiteflame in a pm together.
And Bullish being implicated on results means he at bare minimum should claim.
Only unclaimed individuals at this point are, Banana, thoth, shining, bullish and magic. We know one of these is role confirmable as putting mikal and whiteflame in a pm together.
And Bullish being implicated on results means he at bare minimum should claim.
Hmm yeah two town redirectors would be wild, I know they function slightly differently but still.
All these redirect roles make a much stronger case for a strengthener existing in hindsight lol
So many things to factor in here too, as in who is lying about what, and how would we know.
So what we know so far based on what was claimed.
I hide behind Rex.
Helz roleblocks anyone that visits kohai. Kohai still dies.
Someone put whiteflame and mikal in a pm.
Rex either tracked or watched whiteflame and saw him visit shining.
Mikal magentized me moving my hide onto whiteflame.
Whiteflame moved me to himself.
Whiteflame got vanillized.
Did any of whiteflames actions even count if he was vanillized?
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Mikal wrote:
We agree with this. We both thought the other was a mason.
Where is at im cobat and can magnetize people. I targeted luna because I thought he was scum and was debating about moving him to casey or wf [wf cus i was listening to magics thiughts and was teetering]
Was going back and forth. It looks like pie took my final thoughts and I moved luna to wf
White targeted luna and can move all actions to himself. So basically I moved wf to himself.
Wf also got hit with a vanillaizer
I am so confused, trying to process this lol
Mikal wrote:
We agree with this. We both thought the other was a mason.
Where is at im cobat and can magnetize people. I targeted luna because I thought he was scum and was debating about moving him to casey or wf [wf cus i was listening to magics thiughts and was teetering]
Was going back and forth. It looks like pie took my final thoughts and I moved luna to wf
White targeted luna and can move all actions to himself. So basically I moved wf to himself.
Wf also got hit with a vanillaizer
I am so confused, trying to process this lol
Mikal wrote:
Update
Wf and I are in a chat together and talking
We did not start the chat. So figured the mason portion of that would lock. We both are not masons. Someone put us there
We both have redirection style roles
A bunch of fuckery happened so trying to iron out exactly the ooe before we say in full.
Have to confirm who I hit. High chance caset could be lying but I think pie took a wrong action from me instead of the one I intended. Waiting to confirm which he used and then we at least have info
Are you confirming each other on the basis of being in a chat with each other or is there something else? If someone put you in a chat together that makes it less likely you are both confirmed.
whiteflame wrote:
Yeah I’m probably cooked lol, being on results after lynching ago is not a great look. And my claim is not going to help my either. I am krypton, the compulsive hider. I hid behind Rex last night.
Could you elaborate on the specifics of how your Hider works? You mentioned later that you don't die hiding behind scum. How does it affect anyone who targets you during the NP?
Pie was being wierd about answering that, told me I needed to be very specific. I asked him about the following scum roles, roleblock, silencer, scout, lookout, lawyer, framer, redirector could all target me. I assume the fact that he made be be so specific means there is potentially a role out there that couldn’t target me, but he won’t tell me what role that would be unless I ask it specifically.
That or he is just being extra careful and making me jump through hoops to be safe he doesn’t mod slip something.
