Lunatic

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/6/2026 at 8:48 PM (post #218)

I need everyone to name exactly one person who they would lynch right now, gun to your head

Going on behavior I would want banana. She has role confirmation going for her, but you have to admit she is playing very differently this game. She was more aggressive than I have ever seen her, and using weaker logic than I have seen her use. Usually she can put out semi decent thoughts and reads, but this game it's not been there. D1 she piled on thoth, when he got lynched she said we should scutinize both thoth and shinings wagons, despite the fact that she herself was the first on on the thoth wagon. Then her bandwaonny vote on my and subsequent dis-appearance afterwords. The only thing she has going for her is that role. I would rather lynch on behavior though because mods do like to give town roles that can be "town confirmed" semi frequently. I would like to see what kind of support there is for a Banana lynch.

VTL: Banana

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/6/2026 at 8:20 PM (post #216)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/6/2026 at 9:46 PM (post #209)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/6/2026 at 9:21 PM (post #204)

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/6/2026 at 5:22 PM (post #196)

Lunatic essentially admitted to being a redirector. Mentioned the balance thing after Thoth claimed so immediately soft claimed it essentially when 1x bullet proof would be easier .

I but the theory that this is a role cop thing and he's like "fuck I guess we can't kill lunatic and steal stah claim"

So he does the second best thing

It's a very plausible thing.

It feels like whiteflame is scum every time I play with him though and I have a pang of guilt for sussing him

I did not admit to being redirector. You are reading too much into that, the comment about balance was also made before whiteflame said his result on me.

If you were BP you'd be trying to lynch Magic right now.

I'm not sure why a BP and Doctor being in the game seems off, particularly with a multi-shot Vig in play.

It's not unheard of to have two protection roles in the same game, but I would expect a soft-protection to exist as a second protection rather than two hard protects. Usually its like body guard, and doc/bp, not just a straight up doc and bp. Chances are scum have a strong man, and that balances into it, though an every night strongman completely invalidates both roles. It's probably more likely there's a single protection role. That said I wouldn't die on that hill in a kohai game especially with balance as fucked as it is.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/6/2026 at 8:18 PM (post #215)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/6/2026 at 9:21 PM (post #204)

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/6/2026 at 5:22 PM (post #196)

Lunatic essentially admitted to being a redirector. Mentioned the balance thing after Thoth claimed so immediately soft claimed it essentially when 1x bullet proof would be easier .

I but the theory that this is a role cop thing and he's like "fuck I guess we can't kill lunatic and steal stah claim"

So he does the second best thing

It's a very plausible thing.

It feels like whiteflame is scum every time I play with him though and I have a pang of guilt for sussing him

I did not admit to being redirector. You are reading too much into that, the comment about balance was also made before whiteflame said his result on me.

You were getting pretty defensive about the plausibility of a Redirector being in the game, so I get why Wylted came away with that perspective.

Stop saying I was defensive lol. Pretty sure you have all seen me more heated, which is what I would call defensive. I'm giving you robot-esque sounding replies and thats being construed as defensive, I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/6/2026 at 4:06 PM (post #190)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/6/2026 at 6:02 PM (post #189)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/6/2026 at 3:36 PM (post #183)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/6/2026 at 3:52 PM (post #177)

Ill help with some pressure on magic

VTL: Mag1cman

hate this post

You... hate that I voted you for reads and activity? Okay I guess lol

moreso that you felt the need to help pressure when there was enough people on me already.

it’s a “hey look I’m doing something!” type of post. It put me at L-1 too, so no regard for the risk there.

I was tagged by pie and asked to help pressure you, it wasn’t completely out of the blue. We need to get the ball rolling somehow.

UNVOTE

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/6/2026 at 5:22 PM (post #196)

Lunatic essentially admitted to being a redirector. Mentioned the balance thing after Thoth claimed so immediately soft claimed it essentially when 1x bullet proof would be easier .

I but the theory that this is a role cop thing and he's like "fuck I guess we can't kill lunatic and steal stah claim"

So he does the second best thing

It's a very plausible thing.

It feels like whiteflame is scum every time I play with him though and I have a pang of guilt for sussing him

I did not admit to being redirector. You are reading too much into that, the comment about balance was also made before whiteflame said his result on me.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/6/2026 at 3:36 PM (post #183)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/6/2026 at 3:52 PM (post #177)

Ill help with some pressure on magic

VTL: Mag1cman

hate this post

You... hate that I voted you for reads and activity? Okay I guess lol

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/6/2026 at 1:57 PM (post #178)

Putting him at L-1 when he's just a blank slot? Really?

Didn't know he was at l-1, but l-1 isn't the end of the world either. Puts more pressure on him to respond faster. Anyways looks like someone unvoted, so hes l-2 now.

Ill help with some pressure on magic

VTL: Mag1cman

Been meaning to post reads but been a bit busy I’ll try to post them sometime today

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/6/2026 at 12:54 AM (post #147)

my only thought atm is that it is weird that Lunatic talked to me like he’s knows I’m town but apparently never had an opinion on Shining.

Locked in just means active. Need active mharman was all I am saying. Especially after several other slots have been kind of dead in the water this game.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/5/2026 at 7:23 PM (post #136)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 8:20 PM (post #134)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/5/2026 at 7:13 PM (post #130)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/4/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #66)

Also you arent explaining why I need to even claim anything. Your results are out there. I am locked in to one of three things. I dont see why were doing this dog and pony show.

Whats the Town Justification for a Redirector when it makes far more sense to give scum that?

Didnt you just say it made no sense for a redirector to exist in this game?

I honestly don’t remember, I was drunk yesterday

fair, I’m drunk now

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/5/2026 at 7:09 PM (post #129)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/4/2026 at 10:36 PM (post #55)

I would rather not be forced to claim because you think I am a scum redirector.

Dont really understand what difference it makes whether you claim or not. If you are a Town Redirector, that’s a pseudo-CC with Thoth, who was a 90% Nexus. Not to mention the scum advantage a Redirector would bring, especially if used on Mikal. If I were scum, I’d wager you were a BP though with Mikal’s flip.

Regardless of what happens the balance in this game is gonna make you say kohai is a retard lol

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/5/2026 at 7:20 PM (post #133)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 5:16 PM (post #104)

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/5/2026 at 2:53 PM (post #102)

You haven’t provided a single reason that I am even a lynch option but okay.

If we believe whiteflame, and I was attempting to be polite about this than you are either scum and 100% redirector or town and 100% bulletproof

But you have seen redirector as town. I get that it's also a common scum aligned role, but if I had come out saying I was a town redirector would that be grounds for automatically lynching me?

No, but context matters. Thoth was effectively a Nexus, which is also redirection

Like I said early. Balance in this game is whack.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/5/2026 at 7:13 PM (post #130)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/4/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #66)

Also you arent explaining why I need to even claim anything. Your results are out there. I am locked in to one of three things. I dont see why were doing this dog and pony show.

Whats the Town Justification for a Redirector when it makes far more sense to give scum that?

Didnt you just say it made no sense for a redirector to exist in this game?

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/5/2026 at 4:40 PM (post #114)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 6:30 PM (post #110)

Banana's public pronouncement is a point in her favor, though I'm always wary of just auto-townreading roles that I haven't seen given to scum before. It's screwed me over a few times. I think she looks pretty consistent with her usual town behavior so far.

Im actually a bit baffled by this. What about Bananas behavior is in line with her town behavior?

She tends to show more willingness to make stronger scumreads earlier as town. I also think she would have been more likely to go for an easy lynch on Shining given that Thoth would have been entirely unconfirmable going forward, while Shining’s absence was actively getting him sussed and was almost certain to get him replaced.

Knowing Thoth was town he seems like the ideal mislynch though. It’s something scum could never confidently kill, and if people decided to town read him he was secure to live until lylo.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/5/2026 at 4:36 PM (post #112)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 6:18 PM (post #105)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/5/2026 at 12:47 PM (post #99)

Generally been a busy Sunday, but I do want to dig back through this and the last DP and give some reads when I get a chance.

I do agree with wylted that it's likely a 50/50 situation on Luna, hence my concern about his pushback on the claim.

I still don't completely understand what you mean by pushback, my responses have been fairly robotic. I've directly confirmed I am one of the three roles you posited. Just trying to get you to think outside the box on things you and others may be jumping to preemptive conclusions about is all.

I’ll grant that you’ve confirmed your role is in that group, though recognizing what that includes, I think it’s fair to be suspicious about coasting on that restriction should you be pushed to claim.

If my claim is still a major topic of discussion by tomorrow to the point where it’s a clear hindrance to the advancement of the game and the ability to pressure other players, I will claim. I wouldn’t be averting to claim if I didn’t see a clear town reason to do so. I would like to see some more scum

hunting from you however, outside of the result.

Banana's public pronouncement is a point in her favor, though I'm always wary of just auto-townreading roles that I haven't seen given to scum before. It's screwed me over a few times. I think she looks pretty consistent with her usual town behavior so far.

Im actually a bit baffled by this. What about Bananas behavior is in line with her town behavior?

Understood. Bananas role aside, what do you think of her behavior?

Not to omgus here, but I am really suspicious of the way Banana is acting. I would be suspicious if she voted like that on anyone else, not just suspicious because she voted me. I already wasn't the biggest fan of her Thoth vote.

She has role confirmation going for her, but otherwise her behavior isn't great.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/5/2026 at 12:47 PM (post #99)

Generally been a busy Sunday, but I do want to dig back through this and the last DP and give some reads when I get a chance.

I do agree with wylted that it's likely a 50/50 situation on Luna, hence my concern about his pushback on the claim.

I still don't completely understand what you mean by pushback, my responses have been fairly robotic. I've directly confirmed I am one of the three roles you posited. Just trying to get you to think outside the box on things you and others may be jumping to preemptive conclusions about is all.

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/5/2026 at 2:53 PM (post #102)

You haven’t provided a single reason that I am even a lynch option but okay.

If we believe whiteflame, and I was attempting to be polite about this than you are either scum and 100% redirector or town and 100% bulletproof

But you have seen redirector as town. I get that it's also a common scum aligned role, but if I had come out saying I was a town redirector would that be grounds for automatically lynching me?

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/5/2026 at 11:28 AM (post #94)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 12:09 PM (post #90)

Ill be going to bed soon, hopefully pie and mharman chip in a bit later. Would be good ot hear more from wryly and whiteflame as well if they are able to venture off of my claim for more than 5 minutes.

It's to be expected with the dearth of other data to analyze, I'm afraid. I don't need a role claim from you though. If you're town you're Bulletproof and if you're scum you wouldn't tell me otherwise anyway. A character claim would help me, though.

I do think my character claim straight up gives away which of the three roles I am unfortunately.

Regarding the "yes it is lol" in #76, I'd like you to tell me what roles you think completely overlap between Thoth and Mikal.

76 is in reference to game balance mechanics that I already know for a fact exist that no one else can know based on my role pm, talking about overlapping mechanics in general. I'd rather not elaborate on this.

Also I'm not sure what you mean by #88.

Im saying he's putting in a role that works like dreamer but with roles, but includes a role that's already flipped, so why would it be out of the question for more than one role to exist? Or was he just straight up being bastard with the mechanics of his role? We should be looking at the existence of more than one role as being possible, and not closing our minds to that possibility is all I am saying.

Ill be going to bed soon, hopefully pie and mharman chip in a bit later. Would be good ot hear more from wryly and whiteflame as well if they are able to venture off of my claim for more than 5 minutes.

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/5/2026 at 8:23 AM (post #87)

50\50 lunatic is scum if we assume that Kohai isn't very creative. I say we look elsewhere for now and if no good options come up we then lynch lunatic

You haven’t provided a single reason that I am even a lynch option but okay.

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/5/2026 at 8:20 AM (post #86)

1 of the 3

I mean it's not really one of 3. Vigilante is taken so it's either redirector or bulletproof. Redirector which is rare to be town and bulletproof which is not.

Why would kohai include a role in that list if it can’t be used twice?

Also why do you want me to claim if your mind is made up that I am a redirector lmao

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/5/2026 at 7:32 AM (post #83)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 6:54 AM (post #79)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/5/2026 at 3:20 AM (post #78)

VTL: Lunatic

At least explain why lol

ur story is all over the place. u need to claim. tho at this point its pretty obvious ur the redirector.

What story? lmaooooo

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/5/2026 at 7:08 AM (post #80)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/4/2026 at 9:47 PM (post #38)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/4/2026 at 2:17 PM (post #8)

Mikal’s replacement of Shining has been canceled. I’m /in for Shining.

Good mharman, we need someone like you to get in and stir shit up. Lock in. We need locked in mharm for this one. Day phase one was the most boring phase in this sites history, im pretty sure. Im sure lazy mafia was more entertaining.

the nod being lazy was funny

anyway, I take it you think Shining = town?

Shinings slot hadn’t posted enough for me to form a solid opinion yet.

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/5/2026 at 3:20 AM (post #78)

VTL: Lunatic

At least explain why lol

So much shit will make sense later.. I promise. Til then, I won't be providing further claims unless town absolutely is demanding that. And if we are ggoing that road I would llike a sufficient reason for doing it other than "He's maybe a scum redirector". You've got me locked into 1 of 3 things. Let me cook.