Lunatic

No-lynching may be the best option depending on what information roles we can use.

I am open to it after we get the last claim from shining and the result from vader and they aren't like super obviously scummy and we are just so conflicted that we really just need the one player down because we can't decide. Otherwise like I just don't really feel like it narrows down much. Vader or me is the obvious kill and then your still in the same spot in LYLO with the exact same POE.

Assuming we dont get to MyLo after killing one Mafia (is that even possible?), I am ok with being lynched if it wins the game, PoE-wise.

If you are town and mislynched, assuming two scum left, we automatically lose. The best we could do is no lynch next day phase if after lynching here, just to narrow POE down by one more.

Just so you can see the math

6 players 4 v 2. Mislynch, plus a night kill, makes it a 2 v 2 which is parity and scum win. Lynching correctly, plus a night kill brings it to 3 v 1. We can no lynch here, mafia get a night kill, we go to lylo at a 2 v 1.

So now the million-dollar question is whether Lunatic is telling the truth or bullshitting to secure the game-winning lynch.

Yeah I figured this would be theorized. I don't really know how to argue out of that without sucumbing to wifom, but yeah I was scum reading wylted from the get go.

I was super tempted to waive the Vigilante, but I figured that Vigilante being in the setup meant there was probably a second protective or something to stop it from putting us at MYLO on day 2.

I actually think the pie kill was a solid choice. His role wouldn't have town confirmed him, and I would have been paranoid as shit of him in a mylo situation, despite town reading him. Also I 100% would have criticized you for not using it. Getting to mylo isn't the end of the world, even with two scum left, because your odds of correctly lynching scum are increased.

I'm Dennis Whitaker, 1x Vigilante. Justification is that I killed a rat during the shift from hell. I shot Pie because (1) some of what he wrote came off to me as pushing unusually hard for claims even for him and (2) I figured that, if he were town, there was a high chance that scum would shoot him anyway.

Get ready to be called an idiot by pie 10 times in the endgame lol.

Y'all aren't actually believing that there could be a serial killer in a 9-player game, are you?

It's doubtful, but its a possiblity I suppose. I think the last scum is between shining and mago, but I am leaning mago town here still. Either way we have plenty of time to sus it out, and vader could potentially have a result to help us here too.

Please full claim immediately.

I gather Mafia with an extra kill is either uncommon or unlikely in a 9p?

Any extra killing ability feels a bit OP in a nine player game, tbh. But it is uncommon, im sure I have seen it before though. I just doubt banana as a new mod would include this.

Please tell me you have solid results here.

You know what fuck it. I am gonna full claim. I wanted to see if I could find who wylteds scum partner is through associative tells before I outed this information but the more I think about it, the more the POE might just do that by itself at this point.

I am Eileen Shamsi a general surgeon at the Pitt. I am a tracker. My justification is that my daughter Javadi works at the pitt in the ER and I can be a bit of an overbearing mother and try to keep on top of everything she (the daughter) is doing to either one up her, scold her for not returning messages and calls, or to generally be involved in her affairs.

I tracked Wylted last night and saw him visit Alyssa. So wylted is 100% scum here. I doubt the last scum is mago unless there is a bus going on, which is technically possible but their interactions feel real. Vader is the cop. I am praying he has a good result here to help us narrow down the rest of the POE here, but whoever the vig/sk is will be between shining, thoth, or mago if he lied for some reason.

So yeah basically just need to find wylteds scum partner. I almost wanna call magoroth confirmed town here but I need to be open minded about a bus.

also fairly certain this is MYLO

It was either a vig or a serial killer. I doubt mafia has two kills

I have some semi useful results. I will claim them after we get results from vader just in case he got a guilty on someone

Well this game is off to a rough start. Lost a doctor, cop is outed, had a foolish mislynch, but we can bounce back. Good thing about mylo is we have a high chance of hitting scum here. I agree we mass claim, but I want to wait for vaders results.

Did pie fucking change my name to pussy? Im glad he died... Jk. That is funny though.

Bout to sleep, we will see how that goes. Might be posting still but hopefully ill sleep

vtl rex

Game just started roughly 10 hours ago tho.

It started 25 hours ago lol

I think if he were scum in this game he would seek to emulate his play in Ruyi Zhuan and intentionally distance himself from his playstyle in the last game. 

See but this makes it seem like your read isn't genuine, because you are looking into every scenario to negate the notion that he is town. Yes it is possible, but your admitting that we don't have a past game of behavior to make this kind of assumption from. This is more just saying "yeah but theres a world where he is scum." I am not negating that. But I don't see why we would treat him as guilty until proven innocent as opposed to the other way around.

Also, the last game he was scum mates with Wryly, and that was literally her first time as scum. The blind leading the blind.

Again, no offense to mago here, but I think wryly was the carry in that team. I had 0 reason to behaviorally scum read her. I scum read her entirely based on mechanical reasons, and even then I was second guessing them quite a bit towards the end of that day phase based on her behavior. Mago was just kind of scummy all around, buddied the shit out of wryly, had a horrible claim and justification etc.

He could have a much more experienced scum partner this game who told him to imitate one of his earlier gambits. The whole thing feels way, way more slimy and fake than the way he played in Ruyi Zhuan.

What specifically feels more slimy and fake?

Pre-emptive WIFOM warning, but do you think Mago is capable of emulating his town play as scum?

I suppose anyone is capable of this. To be fair I am not saying mago is town confirmed by any means, you just asked me to explain my current town read of him, and I am trying to explain it to the best of my ability. If I am wrong though I am happy to give mago props for fooling me.

Scum often defend a mislynch target in the latter half of the DP, make some noise about misgivings or 'oh, maybe they're town.' They do it just in the way that you're doing now - a way that feels wooden and fake. You have no reason to town read me. You have more reason to scum read me than most, and it would be in character for you to be omgussing the hell out of me right now. Everything about you feels contrived this DP.

But is this not glaringly similar to his play in Ruyi Zhuan? Maybe you weren't paying as close attention to it and focused more on processing vote counts and working on the mechanics of the game, but as someone who played with him and interacted with him a ton in that game, I feel this is almost the exact same magoroth lol

Elaborate?

For starters, he is all over the place with his reads, which seem like a townie who is second guessing themselves and generally trying to solve things. He was kind of like that in Ruyi Zhuan too, was switching between scum reading me, to not scum reading me, to scum reading me again (I couldn't escape his paranoia in the end, but he was seeming like he was trying to be objective despite our heated exchange in dp1). Also his fake claim gambit is something that is in character for him, he fake claimed a framer as town and I almost got him lynched because of it because I just couldn't comprehend how town could do something like that and think it was beneficial. He was at l-1 at a certain point but didn't get lynched, and as the game went on the mood around him kind of shifted til he was town read mostly. Mechs and actions had something to do with that but it was good from an observation standpoint in knowing how to read him in future games. That was my first game with him. I accused him of omgus multiple times since it seemed like he was scum reading anyone who disagreed with him or was against him in any way, sort of like he is doing now. But I think we have all fell victim to that trap. I did all the time when I played this in my early twenties. He's just passionate about the game, but yeah I sometimes don't always understand his thought proccesses. And last game he was scum was the first scum game I played with him and his play was much more "reserved". He wasn't aggressively throwing out nearly as many accusations and he hard buddied wryly his scum partner virtually the whole game. His claim was bad there too, but he didn't try any wierd gambits or anything, and played it more "safe". I am not seeing that here. I am seeing a lot versatility in his reads (whether I agree with them or not) and him FOSing so many people reeks of his town play in Ruyi Zhuan.

In reference to:

"Rex is the better vote for solving the game? Obviously but if Shining is scum we dont want him to coast by forever"

I have had the same feeling about shining in the past. The problem isn't really just inactivity though, you can beg the guy all day to get on and post, and when he does, he will make some weird one liner, criticize a meta we are pursuing, or just generally not really post anything majorly helpful that will solve the game. I hope he doesn't take too much offense to this, but the guy is kind of just here to fill a player slot. I think he is capable of being a decent player, I saw him syngergize well with whiteflame once as scum, but without someone helping him he kind of is just an aloof player. Anyways, we have been punished mis-lynching him MANY times for this type of behavior (seriously, don't believe me ask pie or whiteflame, or anyone from the DART era). At a certain point you just kind of adapt to it or you just help the scum by getting free mislynches. Not that I am never down to lynch shining, but I probably wouldn't do it just for activity related reasons. Other than that I generally agree that inactives are harmful to town, and provided there isn't a better lead, we pursue them. That's why I said I kind of agree with both of you. Alyssa is right, we have time, and we can pursue other avenues with that time. We are actively pinging thoth and shining, if for some reason they don't show up with something good we can consider lynching them, but its far too early to make that call atm.

How sure are you that Mago is town here?

I am not sure of anything of course. I just felt the same way you felt about him now in Ruyi Zhuan mafia. Go read dp1, I was about to pull my hair out by the end of that game. Sometimes you gotta play with people and learn how they act and just kind of take it with a grain of salt. Kind of like royal paladin lol. He's on a different planet than a lot of us, but I feel his reads and ideas come from a genuine place this game, even if I do not agree with them all.

Whats funny is I kind of agree with both of you on this topic for different reasons lol

Vote Count

Pie 1/5 Vader

Alyssa 1/5 Wylted

Thoth 1/5 Pie

Mago 1/5 Rex

Rex 1/5 Alyssa

Shining 1/5 mago

This has got to be the most divided up vote count I have ever seen. 0 solidarity lol.

I know you have thick skin but we just got you back lol would be nice having you around for more mafia games just don’t want you leaving over this shit lol

Bruh too far

I don’t think he’s a drug dealer btw it seems he stole the drugs for himself

It makes negative sense, in the sense (kek) that I could see scum doing that. Basically he is making shit up because hes not a Miller and only got a role claim and no character claim

that’s funny because I figured if Wylted is scum it was the character he recieved not the role lol

Yeah just cuz some of that stuff is true about his character doesn’t mean he didn’t look it up on wiki later, but then again the character does kind of make perfect sense for a miller. I’m torn on it

I mean your claimed character kind of fits the “McSteamy” thing lol. Dude in real life should have been a model, not a fucking doctor in an ER lol. Can’t have non sexy characters in a tv show. Damn even the “ugly” or nerdy characters are bangable in this show lol