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That was me not mago. And it was only one episode. It was interesting enough, might watch more of it, I just wanted to get a handle on which characters were prominent, antagonist/protagonist, etc

Don't lynch me but millers should be policy lynched until the meta is to not claim them when you get the role. I think claiming them in the 10% chance you get investigated is bad. However I also know that if you don't claim it DP1 than town currently lacks the critical thinking to see beyond the claim in later DPs

If you were acting suspicious enough to draw the ire of a cop investigation, you know how scummy that would be if you revealed you were a miller only after a cop result finds you guilty? It would be very convienent and you’d likely just end up getting lynched anyway

Hmm looked it up and that justification seems to be accurate for doctor langdon. He is also a pretty prominent character. At the very least I will say if Wylted is lying then that is definitely a mod provided character claim, I think that is way too risky for scum to claim otherwise. If Wylted is scum I don’t think they asked for the roles, because miller isn’t particularly strong.

I’ll Unvote for now.

Assuming you are town, what do you think you have done this game outside of your character claim that should have people town read you? If your in my shoes why should I think your town in otherwords.

I’m online, active, and addicted to the game. Pie can answer for himself sure I’m just a neurotic poster.

We do need to hear from shining. But I would also like thoughts from Thoth, he posted that he would be catching up but didn’t say a whole lot of anything meangful and kind of has only made a few of his dad jokes. I need something from him to read him off of.

Anyways Rex needs to post more. Why is the Miller claim a policy lynch btw? Genuine question.

Wylted, do you stand by your Miller claim?

Pie has been advocating a policy lynch on millers for years. I don't think anyone has ever supported that idea or practiced it, so it's really kind of a moot point.

but my point is that if theres a character that fits Miller better why wouldnt banana make them the Miller instead of a guy that doesnt make as much sense? Guy who doesnt get along with ppl (who sounds more like a Hated than a Miller though it could make SOME sense as a Miller justification)

My character seems to have a decent justification for their role, so I am expecting others will too.

I mean if Miller was given as a fake claim, that’s just brutal, which is why I agree that it should be policy lynched.

The problem is that its kind of an over used role here, so much that it is almost always believed. The odd game or two is missing one. But it makes it complicated to just straight up lynch millers. Also if we start policy lynching millers, its kind of unfair to them and makes it unfun. I am down to policy lynch stubborn behavior in claiming all day. But if we are to lynch wylted here I don't want it to be because of policy lol

I don’t think we should lynch Mago as well. He’s likely town. At the worst bluffing and TP. Wylted is risky, but the other way the odds of having a miller go up is if scum flip godfather or have a lawyer or something.

I agree with you on REF. He just seems off. Sorta all over the place. Going to have to go read up on his previous scum game

Yeah if we decide not to pursue any more claims here. I would be down to settle between rex or wylted here.

You know I hate millers lol. My issue is if they did use a fake claim on asking about Miller, why not just claim it first post? That’s the safer thing to do. And you and I both know that if Wylted is doing this, his partner did it for him basically

If I am reading the OP correctly, the mafia team get to choose between a full claim, 2 mod given roles, or 2 mod given characters, meaning I don't think they got to "ask" questions. If miller is fake though it was a mod provided fake claim from the full claim, or from one of the two role claims. Also I agree wylted should have said it in his first post. Only thing giving me pause is that this just happened with him as a town miller in ruyi zhuan, and he also didn't claim it in his first post if I remember correctly. Though circumstances were slightly different there with the mechanics.

Assuming a Miller really is in the game we could verify Wylted’s claim by checking if any of the other characters make sense with a Miller. Mharman first made a setup then Banana tweaked a bit to fit the characters. My guess is she prioritized the roles being balanced and probably didn’t change the setup very much, so Wylted getting a weird justification could make sense.

Well theres a cop so autimatically it "makes sense". My main issue is that it was claimed after the cop. But I guess that could just genuinely be because wylted was late to the party, or it could be an opportunistic gambit for town cred, since miller is fairly common role around here.

Claims list

Mago- Melissa King- Vanilla Townie (Post 51, 80 dp1)

Vader- Ahmad Zhidan- Cop- (Post 121, 152 dp1)

Thoth- Dennis Whitaker (Post 143, dp1)

Wylted- Dr. Frank Langdon- Miller (Post 153, 182 dp1)

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Pie

Alyssa

Shining

Rex

Is your entire justification for miller that you don't get along with others? Because thats lowkey sus.

Why are you claiming? And are you really a Perma-Commuter?

You voted him for a claim lol. Also I think the commuter thing was a joke based on banana not hitting the shift key, but maybe I am wrong.

Just watched the first episode. I believe every single character that has been claimed so far has made an appearance, and its only been a single episode, but the justifications are matching up. I don't really get wylteds langdon justification though, but maybe that is something that happens later on in the show? He doesn't seem to have issues getting along with anyone. And supas character seems very minor, but it kind of makes sense, since it is the security guard.

On a side note, this show was bringing back memories of when I was a guard at a hospital. Every day was a shit show just like in this show lol.

Minor nitpick but couldn’t that possibly result in you tunnelling? You don’t know all of the character(s)/(claims), and one of the characters claimed may be kinda scummy or slightly different from the other claimed ones, which could result in one pkayer being excessively pushed.

You have to take everything into context, not just a character claim, but behavior, role justification, the mod, etc. Analyzing character claims is helpful but not an end all be all strategy. Last game for example I called out your claim for not making sense and standing out from other claims. I didn't immediately vote you and advocate for your lynch however (though I likely would have after your constant defense of wryly before she flipped scum, but pies result kind of made it obvious at that point anyway). I won't tunnel someone based on a claim alone, especially in a theme I am not familiar with.

I notice you answered Alyssa’s question to Pie for him, “why do you think Supa would be raging”, is it because you’re Scum and you know Pie is Town and are pocketing him?? :P

I don't "know pie is town" I don't know how you got any of that from me telling alyssa what supas meta is.

What I'm about to say is not intended to be taken as support for getting more claims today. I do not support it.

Buuuuut we really ought to start thinking about doing theme analysis. The OP seems to imply that the Town/Scum split is, likely, not super complicated. A cursory reading of an IMDB page could be enough for us to start narrowing POE down just by character claims.

I'll stop being lazy and do some theme research. Maybe if I am committed enough watch an episode or two. But I mostly want to analyze characters of people who have claimed so far.

Do you know enough about the theme to do anything with the character claim?

We have four claims. You really want to push for more right now?

VTL Thoth

Thoth being unhappy with OGI being used for a read could come from scum.

I was scum reading him for doing this in another game I think it was ruyi zhuan I cant remember, but yeah he was town there.

Softs?

Nah im rock hard right now

I agree that, "Is there a Miller?", is a natural question after a Cop claim. I don't think I'd try that here what with Pie being vocal about policy lynching SOP claims if there's not a better choice.

I mean it isn't completely out of character for wylted so I am taking that into consideration. But unless we pursue more claims here, and I don't think we should with 4 on the board, the alternative is mago, who I am town reading atm.

Kinda-sorta, and it would be as much OGI on your part as mine. I don't think this is worth bitching about

OGI to me seems more like "Bro is posting in this other thread but not here, he must be lurking!"

or "so and so was active on discord at the same time the day phase went up, so he must have been scum who just submitted the night kill" etc etc

I am pressuring wylted because he claimed miller after the cop, and didn't claim it in his first post. It's not OGI if I am dubious of his excuse. But I digress.

Elaborate?

Post 178 Rex says this:

"Interesting. Well I'm down to lynch Wylted or Mago. I feel like Wylted's flip would be more revealing but Mago is the safer lynch. If we already outed the cop we probably should cool it with the claims."

Shows he is open to lynching wylted. Could be a bus, but sounds risky. Still could be scum together, but this is why I say not necessarily.

This is at least borderline OGI if you ask me, but I know nobody cares on here. I guess it's possible that wylted just had his phone set to silent or something.

I don't think it's OGI. If I was scum and claiming I didn't receive a role PM when I did, would it be OGI for you to scum read me for that?

It was like my 4th post in and in the midst of me reading through the game to catch up since literally nobody notified me it was going on. It was pretty instant.

Its also weird you are claiming you didn't get an discord message. Mine came in at 8:03 am mst via disc message.

Alright. thoughts so far?

Gun to my head, my scum reads are rex and wylted though I don't neccesarily think they are scum together more likely one or the other, though its possible. Rex seemed to get baited hard into the mago thing, and then appeared to back off of it to a null read, just to double down again on it. Considering he was the host of Ruyi Zhan and saw mago's town behavior first hand, it feels strange to me that he is scum reading the lie here so hard. Especially when it seemed (at least to me) super obviously a town lie.

Wylted I am scum reading for the convenience of the claim. If he had claimed miller at the start of the game it would be more believable, and I would almost call him confirmed from it since I would have doubted mafia would have used their fake claim at that point. However the late entry and claiming AFTER the cop is giving me bad vibes. Like I am understanding that this is wylted and its something he would do as town as well, and it could just genuinely be bad luck that he didn't know about the day phase until too late. But we also have 4 claims on the table, and I don't think we need to narrow down POE for scum any further, so out of all the claimed individuals, I probably would be the most comfortable lynching wylted.

VTL wylted.

Pie feels okay for now, plus he told me he was town and he would never lie to me! (Joke btw)

Alyssa gave me some town vibes for not instantly pursuing mago, but I 100% understand the suspicion of him since I went through the same thing with mago in a recent game. Mago is just a baffling player, so the fact that alyssa is being reserved about this is a town tell, and shows shes not being oppertunistic.

Shining, thoth, are null.

Vader is town. At the very worst, scum used both role claims and got cop/miller combo, but it feels highly unlikely.

Claims list

Mago- Melissa King- Vanilla Townie (Post 51, 80 dp1)

Vader- Ahmad Zhidan- Cop- (Post 121, 152 dp1)

Thoth- Dennis Whitaker (Post 143, dp1)

Wylted- Dr. Frank Langdon- Miller (Post 153, 182 dp1)

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Pie

Alyssa

Shining

Rex