Ignore me. Things are making sense now. Im down for whatever plan you think is best, I trust you.
Ignore me. Things are making sense now. Im down for whatever plan you think is best, I trust you.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 10:49 PM (post #119)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 11:42 PM (post #117)
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 10:38 PM (post #115)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 11:16 PM (post #109)
For today do we resolve within that 1v1 or hunt outside of it? We 100% need 2 good lynches back to back. Assuming Luna is town they will certainly be killed tonight.
If they kill me and you survive to LYLO we should automatically win right? So in this case, I'd prefer to be killed.
What do you mean? I am confused
It depends on how your role works. The way I understand Soldier is that town automatically win if you survive to the end. Basically meaning if they kill me tonight, they have to place all of their chips on getting you lynched tomorrow or town will win. Considering you were investigated innocent, my flip as cop will make mislynching you harder unless they try to spin your the godfather tomorrow. I think in this situation scum would force a 50/50 between whiteflame and pie. So me dying would be ideal. If they choose to kill you and not me I get another night of results in LYLO. They are basically fucked with your role man, at the very least they can hope for is a 50/50 tomorrow, but they are forced to kill between you and me.
You dying ends the game. I have no winning mechanic. If I did I would have lied about my label.
I will maintain that my claim is that I am a citizen. That 'if' hypothetically I was lying its as a PGO or BP. Scum can WIFOM that out.
I thought you claimed soldier? Maybe I misunderstood.
whiteflame and kohai, not whiteflame and pie lol*
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 10:38 PM (post #115)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 11:16 PM (post #109)
For today do we resolve within that 1v1 or hunt outside of it? We 100% need 2 good lynches back to back. Assuming Luna is town they will certainly be killed tonight.
If they kill me and you survive to LYLO we should automatically win right? So in this case, I'd prefer to be killed.
What do you mean? I am confused
It depends on how your role works. The way I understand Soldier is that town automatically win if you survive to the end. Basically meaning if they kill me tonight, they have to place all of their chips on getting you lynched tomorrow or town will win. Considering you were investigated innocent, my flip as cop will make mislynching you harder unless they try to spin your the godfather tomorrow. I think in this situation scum would force a 50/50 between whiteflame and pie. So me dying would be ideal. If they choose to kill you and not me I get another night of results in LYLO. They are basically fucked with your role man, at the very least they can hope for is a 50/50 tomorrow, but they are forced to kill between you and me.
So it really depends on how exactly the soldier works. Do you win automatically on getting to lylo or do you literally have to be the last person alive? Knowing this I think will effect how we resolve this.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/11/2026 at 4:01 PM (post #71)
All I can say is that I’m amazed anyone thinks I would either blindly fake claim Trump here or ask about him as one of the two characters I could ask were in the game and actually receive a “no” for his presence in a game about Epstein Island.
Also, feeling that tinfoil hat again: why are we writing off a Thoth/Luna pairing again? Because of bussing?
I mean you should always be wary of a bus, but a bus is just incredibly unnecessary here. There isn't much in the way of town confirmation going on in this game, so for me to bus Thoth here would be pretty extra for no reason. Also giving helz a cop clear would be counter productive, when he would be an ideal mislynch target for scum in a thoth/luna world.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/11/2026 at 10:17 PM (post #110)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/12/2026 at 12:16 AM (post #109)
For today do we resolve within that 1v1 or hunt outside of it? We 100% need 2 good lynches back to back. Assuming Luna is town they will certainly be killed tonight.
If they kill me and you survive to LYLO we should automatically win right? So in this case, I'd prefer to be killed.
This IS LyLo
This is mylo, a soldier wins at parity usually.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 3:06 PM (post #68)
An added advantage of this situation is that killing between Me/Kohai/WF forces mafia to kill Luna giving the flip that confirms Thoth as scum -or- enter a 3p Lylo with 1 vote that will hardline be against them.
Thats a huge advantage for a 3P Lylo. I really think we should make the lynch exactly one of us three and leave Luna/Thoth for tommorow given we put the wolves in a loose loose situation if we play it out this way.
I can understand the logic behind that, from a math stand point you are taking the odds from a 50/50 to a 33/33/33 though, so I am not entirely sure if its the best option here.
For today do we resolve within that 1v1 or hunt outside of it? We 100% need 2 good lynches back to back. Assuming Luna is town they will certainly be killed tonight.
If they kill me and you survive to LYLO we should automatically win right? So in this case, I'd prefer to be killed.
In both cases, you’d have to account for a passive role (Popular or Godfather) for circumstances to have worked out this way. I get that that that’s a lot to swallow. I’d say in part that it’s a balance issue, one that led us to mislynch Mag1c last DP. And hell, my Castlevania game had a Popular player on the scum team with active roles they could use as well. Whether that’s Godfather or Popular, it’s happened, just a question of whether you buy it’s happening now.
It’s possible and worth consider that a scum popular could have another night action. It’s rare which is why I said it’s unlikely but I won’t dismiss it out of hand.
Going to bed here shortly, I'll be on this evening.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility, just doesn’t feel like an obvious fit.
Made sense to me.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say there are no counters to protective roles. That assumes scum don’t have a Strongman or similar, and I’d say the Vanillaizer is a counter, albeit not one that would prevent protection the night it’s applied. I don’t see the stretch here, and yes, I could absolutely see scum having a response to your Cop investigation at minimum.
I do see that dilemma. I’m not saying you should take me off the table or assume I’m town at this point. It wouldn’t be a first for someone to be Popular scum and have other roles, but I doubt it, so I understand why you’d take Kohai off the table. Helz is a different story. I get trusting your result, but Godfather seems entirely plausible here, especially given the number of investigations associated with the Epstein case. Maybe Lawyer might be more plausible if we assume Dershowitz is in this game. Regardless, I can’t say I’ve got good reason to write off Helz even while buying your claim.
Of the two I would have a harder time buying helz as his scum partner, because the amount of actions that would have confirmed to have taken place still doesn't add up. We know magic was blackmailed, since there was no reason for him to lie about that. So for you to be vanillized, magic to have been black mailed, and scum have a passive god father on top of that, all for one night phase, seems a bit OP. But even if I were to buy it was OP it's still unusual to have scum use more than one action a night. Not impossible, but unlikely. I am willing to consider kohai as the scum mate as well, maybe it seemed like I was dismissing him too easy. He has been pretty analytical and thorough this game, so my vibe initially is that he is town, but I am open minded.
Having whiffed on both questions as scum in similar situations, I’d be hesitant to say they “must have” a good fake. Also, I’ll note that your visit to Helz confirms they are not the PGO, which means they’ve claimed VT.
Yeah I never really bought that helz was PGO, its an uncommon enough role as is. We should probably have him fully fess up though to being vanilla if he is one.
Info list
Graveyard
Shining- Bill Gates- 2x Doctor, Town (Lynched DP1)
Magoroth- Michael Jackson- Singer, Town (Killed NP1)
Mag1cman- Dean Kamen- Inventor (1x Commuter, 1x Tracker, 1x Watcher), Town (Lynched DP2)
NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield- 2x Redirector, Town (Killed NP2)
Living
Claims
Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)
Helz- Ehud Barak- Vanilla or Paranoid Gun Owner, does not visit (post 14/174 dp1, post 136 dp2)
whiteflame- Donald Trump- 1x Bulletproof (must announce use), claims he was Vanillaized NP1 (post 79/357, dp2)
Lunatic- Stephen Hawking- Cop. NP1: Helz innocent. NP2: Thoth guilty (post 20, dp3)
Thoth- Virginia Giuffre- Role unclaimed (post 371, dp2)
Unclaimed
None (Thoth’s role still unclaimed)
So far only thoths character really feels like an outlier here. So mafia must have used at least one question to secure a good fake.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/11/2026 at 10:27 AM (post #25)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 11:55 AM (post #20)
Just realized this is up. I am Stephen Hawking, and I am the cop. Np1 I got an innocent on Helz, np2 I got a guilty on Thoth. Justification in a nut shell is that I have one of the greatest minds in history, and nothing escapes my analysis.
I will vote thoth, but I will give everyone a chance to post first so there isn't a quick hammer.
Alright, so straight up Cop then? Little odd for Hawking in particular, though he is in the Epstein files. I believe there would be a Cop or similar in this game, partly for balance and partly due to the only investigative so far being roles gifted by an Inventor.
I mean considering hawkings mental acuity, the justification made sense to me.
Noah’s dead, so that means you’re largely just considering me atm. Is it just POE or do you have an active reason to sus me?
Right, I am retarded. I didn't realize noah was dead. POE is part of it, but we are still playing into the idea that there was a vanillizer and a blackmailer np1, with no counters to two protective roles, a cop and the watcher/tracker abilities that magic had. So unless mafia have some powerful role that accounts for two of those happening as well as counters to multiple investigations and protections, it's a bit of a stretch. Behaviorally you are fine, I suppose you haven't done anything wrong. I was initially town reading you when you had claimed vanillized and even bought you over magic last day phase. Do you see the dilemma we face here?
Not sure who thoth's partner is, but I would like to sus that out before we hammer him. My guess would be between WF and noah, but who knows. Kohai seems town to me. Helz could be a godfather, but I kind of buy the result on him. Maybe that is ignorant of me.
Just realized this is up. I am Stephen Hawking, and I am the cop. Np1 I got an innocent on Helz, np2 I got a guilty on Thoth. Justification in a nut shell is that I have one of the greatest minds in history, and nothing escapes my analysis.
I will vote thoth, but I will give everyone a chance to post first so there isn't a quick hammer.
I hope we were right
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #387)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 12:18 AM (post #384)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 10:14 PM (post #381)
Another thing into consideration - When I was scum with a blackmailer we were explicitly trying to derail the target because we wanted to get in the extra kill. I don’t see anyone pushing back on this wagon.
That said the lack of pushback does bother me some
There was considerable pushback in the beginning, seems like a train v train with magic vs helz. Helz is mostly winning because magic is unable to respond to anything, but there definitely is some real commit to the bit going on if both are the same affil and hard bussing, so there's a chance there is TvT or TvS in helz magic. That said, if we are wrong we have to accept the idea that either whiteflame was lying or that there was a vanillizer and a blackmailer in the same night. Which I guess is possible, but it seems as odd to me as it is to everyone else
If Helz and Mag1c are v/v then who’s scum?
One of you WF, you, Noah, Thoth. TBH we really don't have much in the way of town confirmation yet, so everyone is still on the table for me. I can see a scum world for all those players. Thoth remains one of my biggest suspects and his outlier claim doesn't help with that.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 10:17 PM (post #382)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/10/2026 at 11:11 PM (post #378)
Caught up. Magic never answered when I asked about the Helz vote, and I’ve been waiting a while. I get that he’s blackmailed or silenced or whatever it is, but he was still able to post a vote, so I’d expect him to manage a yes or no on why. He is either unable to from the blackmail or he is lying about the blackmail.
Kohai’s point about blackmailed players normally not being allowed to claim is one to take into consideration, however that still very much points to one of magic and whiteflame lilely lying. And WF’s BP claim makes sense with the flavor, so I’m sticking with my WF town read. That leaves magic as the one that doesn’t add up between them.
WF, fair enough on being wary of me for not claiming. I’m happy to claim if people want it, but I’d rather not hand scum more info if we don’t need it right now.
Noah, still waiting on an actual reason for the sus beyond me “explaining too fast.”
Ready to vote magic and move on when we feel we've gotten sufficient nutrients from this phase.
So blackmailer is something I am very familiar with. Something on my mind is very exactly the conditions.
Lets say hypothetically they were allowed to say they were blackmailed. And then on top of that they still have freedom to vote. Note they voted twice so they do certainly have that freedom. Why would they not unvote and revote and vote other people as a form of communication if thats all thats allowed to them?
Yeah its odd, I have no clue. If he was actually blackmailed, I am unsure what his parameters were.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 10:14 PM (post #381)
Another thing into consideration - When I was scum with a blackmailer we were explicitly trying to derail the target because we wanted to get in the extra kill. I don’t see anyone pushing back on this wagon.
That said the lack of pushback does bother me some
There was considerable pushback in the beginning, seems like a train v train with magic vs helz. Helz is mostly winning because magic is unable to respond to anything, but there definitely is some real commit to the bit going on if both are the same affil and hard bussing, so there's a chance there is TvT or TvS in helz magic. That said, if we are wrong we have to accept the idea that either whiteflame was lying or that there was a vanillizer and a blackmailer in the same night. Which I guess is possible, but it seems as odd to me as it is to everyone else
Caught up. Magic never answered when I asked about the Helz vote, and I’ve been waiting a while. I get that he’s blackmailed or silenced or whatever it is, but he was still able to post a vote, so I’d expect him to manage a yes or no on why. He is either unable to from the blackmail or he is lying about the blackmail.
Kohai’s point about blackmailed players normally not being allowed to claim is one to take into consideration, however that still very much points to one of magic and whiteflame lilely lying. And WF’s BP claim makes sense with the flavor, so I’m sticking with my WF town read. That leaves magic as the one that doesn’t add up between them.
WF, fair enough on being wary of me for not claiming. I’m happy to claim if people want it, but I’d rather not hand scum more info if we don’t need it right now.
Noah, still waiting on an actual reason for the sus beyond me “explaining too fast.”
Ready to vote magic and move on when we feel we've gotten sufficient nutrients from this phase.
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:13 PM (post #269)
I was gonna perform an action on night 1, but Savant never replied back on how it would work if say, I did it between you and Lunatic, but my role is
2x Redirector- to which I can perform my action only on odd nights
I win with the town
Uh did you copy paste that
Thoth, I said earlier you were one of my top reads and I want to follow through on that.
Kohai pointed out Mago was voting you when he died. I'll be honest, I lean towards that being WIFOM since killing the guy pushing you is pretty blatant, but it's still something I want to put to you.
Who do you think is lying between WF and magic, and why?
I know you said something about a hurricane adventure so I will wait as long is reasonable for a response, but you are still a top problem for me that we have to deal with at some point.
Noah - Your NP1 explanation went back and forth a bit (targeted, then didn't act, then planned to target me and Kohai). I think it's inexperience, but can you walk through what your plan is for tonight?
@Savant, is magic allowed to clarify what his blackmail actually restricts, or is that off limits?
@Mag1cman, I'm not sure what you're allowed to say, but if you can, could you explain the Helz vote at all? Even a yes or no on whether it's based on something from DP1 or something new would help.