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vtl rex

I didn't think so. I think it points to a team like thoth, mago.

Maybe whiteflame because whiteflame is busy and his input might be limited

Mago as scum gives me pause because I don't know that the stupid reaction test on whiteflame occurs if he is scum.

Pie I thought was soft claiming an investigative role earlier but I don't think it's possible to be investigative now. He did say he would claim if mharman claimed so we just need to wait for that to occur or push it. He has acted like town though.

I have mech + mod psyche reasons to trust mago for now, slight behavioral too, but im open minded. I still am sus of rex.

Hell no, banana is one of those easy mislynch targets.

https://tenor.com/view/you%27re-not-invited-to-my-birthday-party-gif-80934840801768532

I doubt he wants to play in your game anyway.

Not sure why I am being pressured but what exactly are you looking for out of me? Character? full?

RIP mharman

Vtl Rex

I won’t vote Rex yet because I’m not sure what the count is but consider my vote on Rex for all intents and purposes.

Because why wouldn’t he out that information in the beginning? Also Wylted just used the same trick against him in Rex’s game so figured he picked it

up from that one.

Yeah figured you were doing that which is why I immediately unvoted

You appear with gifs and jokes at the most interesting of times btw. Noted.

Unvote. I think I know what’s happening, but let’s see how this plays out.

unvote vtl Whiteflame

O.o

do explain

This isn’t quite what I had in mind, I saw something else but this is a little scummy, saying two people are town when they’re fighting. I haven’t seen the post I had in mind on a quick scroll, I’ll find it later. I did see some from Rex though.

Idk I have just seen town do this all

the time. I think there is something more here than just two people scum reading each other, I think there is pride and ego involved and both feel entrenched to the point where they feel have to double down or be defensive of their opinions. I’ve seen both of them do this type of thing before. I feel pie is different already than last game for one where we now know he was scum, and mharman is screaming town to me. I agree with Whiteflame that as scum I don’t think either of them would want to bring this much attention to themselves especially when it’s been framed so much as a 1 v 1 scenario where one or the other must claim based on where the majority seats. Doesn’t it seem just as likely both could be town here, as opposed to one scum?

I saw your frustrated post earlier btw. I am not ignoring you and I understand how it feels to feel like you’re posting and no one is acknowledging that. I have read everything, I just don’t see it yet. I do think pie is likely town based on his pursual of you. Out of the two of you I would say you are the stronger town read so I am open to being wrong about pie, but at the same time I don’t think I am ready or willing to lynch him atm or even look for his claim, and I have the feeling scum is kind of enjoying this debacle as it forces two strong town players into claiming and potentially getting mislynched.

It’s not personal, and I’m not throwing shit to see where it sticks. I actually do scum read you.

For “fence sitting” which you refuse to explain to me wtf that means or how I am doing it. I think you just saw mharman say that and are repeating it, but when I called Mharman out for it at least he admitted I was fair in saying I wasn’t fence sitting.

I’m not very good at debating. Which is why I avoid “lay down your arguments, why am I scum?” It’s a noob trap. If people want to do that to me, I’ll vote them. Instead I pick up on things that people say. If people want to win who’s the best debater game, fine by me, but that’s not the game I’m playing.

Maybe not everything is a debate. Maybe im genuinely trying to seek answers and explanations from you. If you don’t have them then just say that. Saying something is off about someone and how they post is one thing but if you can’t point out why, how to you plan to sell anyone on your logic or prove your point? I saw Whiteflame completely differently than you did which is why I was trying to pick your brain about it, to make sense of your read to establish if it’s genuine meaning your likely town or if it’s scum motivated, and your creating something from

nothing to throw shit and see what sticks.

Why would I explain anything when you’re obviously going to try to bury it with rhetoric and bs arguments? No. You are scum. It’s YOUR job to convince me you are Town, not my job to be convinced. Your turn.

Okay so your throwing shit to see what sticks. Got it. Lovely I get to deal with this again.

Whiteflame’s shit is just logical shit that anyone can say. It’s literally just an observation on the game state, not an opinion. Anyone can say that. Plus many of them seem forced like “I need to say something here”.

I find it interesting that you can’t refute or pick out something specific he is saying and keep making broad observations about his posting style, which I find to be completely untrue. He packed a lot in his most recent post, including his stance on multiple players and he even laid out a solid POE pile of people to lynch out of, none of which are “easy” lynch opportunities.

This is scummy. I don’t have to elaborate or explain anything. You are fence sitting because you’re not really taking sides. You keep making references to older games and shit instead of actually playing.

You not being willing to explain it means that you probably contrived the opinion. Or are just the throwing shit to see what sticks. In either case I would question your motive for doing this as town. And what are you talking about with me making references to older games? The only game I’ve really brought up was the last game lol. Mharman and pie have been referencing other games like crazy maybe you are confusing me with them.

I also don’t trust Whiteflame. Whiteflame makes these points that are so damn divorced from the game. Like... they’re not opinions, I don’t know how to put it. It’s just analysis. No gut feeling whatsoever.

I am gonna need you to explain this one in explicit detail. Divorced from the game? Whiteflame has had some of the most solid takes and opinions and clear musings of any one in the game in my personal opinion and I agree with his POE 100%.

What specifically don’t you like about what he is saying?

What do you think fence sitting means? Please elaborate and explain in detail how that applies to me.

I’m a little busy today too but I’ll be around and checking in

Whats all this talk of me being a fence sitter? My position was that both you and pie are town knuckleheads with big penis syndome. A fencesitter would be someone waiting to take the side of whoever is winning.

MY sleep schedule is so fucked, I got to fix it before I work on tuesday. But it is also limiting how I can interact with people. I usually try to sleep from 8am-4pm MST, but yesterday I didn't sleep til 3PM and just woke up at 1 AM lol

Wylted feels okay as well. Not sure about mago, I still really only know his town game from last game, but I will say he feels slightly different from that game.

Whiteflame feels pretty town to me, I liked his nuanced take on pie/mharman feud too.

Rex feels like his normal town meta is just solely on vibes, but I don't care for the wagon on Thoth. Harder to read because he is almost as inactive as Shining. Still null.

What "vibes" do you think he would be giving off as scum? He may have been scum again but I can't remember a scum game off the top of his besides Terraria.

Anyways, yeah my take here is that pie and mharman are both probably town here and just super tunnel vision on each other right now. I can see pie getting steamed here and combined with the fact that he was apparently blocked or something might be fueling his conspiracy against mharm considering he was sussing mharm, but at the same time it could also just be coincidence, or maybe even set up to make mharm look bad my scum. This feels like town passion though, something we didn't see from pie in the last game, and it does stand out to me as a town tell because this is how pie acts as town. Same with mharman, I genuinely buy that he made the mistake there, and I don't really hold that over him. I was half asleep when I posted the comment that it was "sus" that he pushed me towards the end there, and I was genuinely peeved about that when I saw it since I wasn't online to defend myself and I was just hours before that, but I can buy that mharman is town here. Also I think scum mharman could definitely find easier lynch targets than "pie and luna" if he was scum. For him to be targeting us he must be pretty genuinely suspicious of us, because scum mharman knows there is no world where those are easy lynches to obtain, so why take the path of most resistance? If he is scum, props to him because this is a major wifom argument that literally no one besides me is making, so if this was his plan, it could have easily backfired.

So yeah I'd prefer not to go after either of these two atm.

I am actually wanting to pressure Rex. Rex hasn't really taken a lot of solid stances, and his joke at the end of the day phase "Never change guys" while funny, kind of rubbed me the wrong way that he was there and making fun of people's decision while not really contributing his own decision. I went back and read all his posts, he had a clear indication of wanting to push magoroth early, later said he would be down to lynch mago or thoth based on little contribution, and only fully voted thoth after the "CC" debacle. Then he doesn't post until EOD, where he makes the joke. IDK I am getting the vibes that he is around and aware of the game but going with the flow rather than trying to solve it. His vote was the scummiest on the thoth wagon imo, and the fact that he never stated an opinion change on it despite mharman changing his claim, or really commenting it at all makes is seem more scummy in hindsight.

So I may be the minority here, but I'd rather redirect pressure from pie/mharm to rex here.

VTL rex