Lunatic

Also, this is not true, Whiteflame did not ego boost me, he disagrees with most of what I said; wylted said I act openly scummy so I must be Town.

In your post, you basically based your entire read of whiteflame based on him validating you. Everyone of your reads is somehow linked to how they have read or interacted with you personally, rather than how they have played or analyzed the game.

And I gave reasons why Pie and Wryly are scum, don’t act like I made that up.

I didn't say you "made it up", I said the reasons were kind of bad. You OMGUS'ed pie, and you said wryly was "shy" as if being shy is a scum tell.

Pie is scum because he randomly brings up me claiming Watcher out of thr blue and says “oh shucks you’re gonna die” which is the exact thing I would say if I was Ninja. You can act like this is “unconvincing” but this is literally based off of personal experience of what I have done and other scum have done.

Feel free to link or reference said games, and I'd be happy to analyze the evidence, otherwise its just you saying this.

I don’t think you need to make a case for Roleblocker. Town Roleblocker is a thing.

That's literally what I just said. Re-read what I said to him. Are you being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian?

No, my theory is that you hitched yourself to the Magoroth wagon because it looked like an easy mislynch, which fits with the rest of your PoE being the then-inactives.

Okay so if you think I am pushing a mislynch it makes no sense that we would both be in your scum reads. Only makes sense if you think I am bussing. For this read to make sense you are admitting to some level of manufactured reads, because if I was scum for this read mago should be a town read.

Selection bias. You can point to the blatant scumslips because those are the ones you noticed and remembered.

I am just saying, certain people tend to make mistakes as mafia pretty consistently. Am I not correct in this? If I am then what seperates magoroth from those people? I am genuinely asking because I haven't played with him.

For example: Wylted often makes ballsy claims as scum and takes huges risks. That's been pretty consistent of him. Greyparrot just yolo claims his real role as mafia and hopes for the best. Shining claims dumb shit like "Asthetic" when pressured despite being given vanilla as a fake claim hint. That2user becomes super inactive and the few posts she makes are general answers to peoples questions. Mikal likes to bus and gambit and make big plays. ETC ETC. People tend to have consistent scum tells. From what I've heard from other players mago has a tendency to play badly as scum. Having not played with him I only can go off of what I've heard.

Which is meaningless if you don’t factor in how many times they weren’t scum.

If you can't use past behaviors and tells from people to analyze their behavior, how in the hell can you possibly hold anyone accountable for their actions and behavior?! lol

Fine. Watcher, Roleblocker are my odd/even night abilities. My final ability is Framer. Yes, I can frame people.

I haven’t yet looked at my flavour in any detail, would prefer not to claim this unless strictly necessary, but basically there’s a bunch of reasoning behind each action.

i should say i first become roleblocker, then watcher, then framer.

What is your character?

There really isn't a reason I could ever see for town to have a framer. You could make a case for roleblocker, but framer?

Thoth is also advocating the same thing because his role is just as powerful. What makes the posts so different in your opinion?

Can you clarify your question? You didn't quote me so I do not know what you are referencing.

Is it in your justification or your role mechanic. Don't want to push it too much but curious as to why

Don't really know how to answer that without giving away information, but yeah its the latter. I have a counter to poisoning at a certain rank.

With 5 hours I think it’s either Thoth or Mag and I still think mag is noob town. I’m fine with getting a full claim from mag and then picking him or Thoth off that. But we need a claim before we shot 

surprised you would be okay lynching mag if you think he’s town.

My only townreads are Wylted and Whiteflame, the latter for actually trying to understand what I’m saying and not just dismissing outright, even if he disagreed with it.

And your town reads are people who’ve ego boosted you lol. Also nice.

Anyway, my top scum reads are Pie, Wryly, Lunatic.

Okay so you basically scum reading everyone who scum reads you except wryly. Nice.

I have literally given multie reads?!?! What is this? Mamma mia

Yeah but my point is that your mechanical analysis seems to outweigh your interest in behavior hunting, I would expect town to be focused more on the latter. And no offense but your “behavioral reads” so far have been rather unconvincing.

Strange how everyone scumreads me but nobody wants to vote me. What kind of scum am I?!

We can’t let inactives skate. Also just because I scum read you doesn’t mean I am sold on lynching you right at this moment, but if time is closing and there is support for your lynch I’ll probably end up going that way barring no other bigger scum reads come about or my opinion on you doesn’t change by then.

Btw it’s interesting a major reason you are scum reading me is for my read on mago, yet you also list him as a scum read. So in other words your theory is we are bussing lol?

Whiteflame can back me up on this. I am spacing the name of the game off the top of my head, but there was a game in DART where I used the same defense Thoth is using for mago on Whiteflame. Whiteflame did something scummy and everyone was lynching him except me. I hardcore defended him with the logic “Whiteflame would never blatantly act this way as scum”. Turns out he was just scum and I looked like a fool for defending him.

Obviously this logic will change from player to player and I don’t know mago super well but there’s certain players that you just don’t give passes too for scummy behaviors and from what a few of you may have said so far, I don’t see why mago would be an exception here.

Lunatic: Slight scum. This is a pure gutread, but the amount of text he spent bashing Magoroth in post #233 compared to the rest of his reads in #234 triggered my scum-pushing-for-easy-day-1-mislynch alert, even though I generally agree with his points. Then saying that his PoE is two inactives and the guy that people are scumreading also strikes me as possible mislynch-pushing. Other than that, I like his posts.

The fact that you agree with my points about magoroth but scum read me for them I think is just paranoia. I can see what you and banana are saying that magoroth looks like an easy target, but lets face it, and feel free to prove me wrong, generally people as scum on this site are pretty blatant when they fuck up. I can point to several examples of this. I've stopped myself from lynching scum many a time because of that same logic you are using "They are so bad they must be town" when its often just the case that they are... just scum. Even you said earlier something about "im so wolfy I can't be a wolf". Except for a lot of the players here don't actually know or think they are being scummy when they are scum, I think its general obliviousness. That said I can't recall playing with mago, so if he's just pulling a shining here then it will be a lesson learned.

Til then, the way I will treat him is "If it quacks, waddles, and swims like a duck, it's probably a duck:.

VTL awesome500

We need to hear more from you buddy. Current thoughts on the game?

Banana feels townie, lots of posts and analysis. Still feel wylted is townie. I really wanna just blindly trust pie based on what he said to supa about his role carrying the game. Thats the type of confidence I would expect out of a town pie who thinks he can genuinely break the game. Whiteflame seems normal to me so far, nothing really stands out. Thoth... is Thoth. Idk his posts always are odd to me but im fine with him for now. Wryly is fine. Shining seems normal.

My POE is Awesome, mikal, and Mago at the moment. Mikal I know is finishing up a move, he hasn't been able to play arc raiders with me in days because he is missing his power strip and the snowstorm in his area is really bad. He's generally a pretty busy guy. However I have played scum with Mikal before and have seen him say "Im not gonna post this day phase and come in hot next day phase" with activity as a general excuse, but also knowing mikal I know he can probably post from his phone. So I give him a parftial excuse for it, but again I have seen him use lurking as an actual strategy. But I am okay with looking into him day phase 2 as a matter of respect and curtesy to his IRL situation.

Yeah magoroth looks pretty scummy to me as well. A lot of things people have already mentioned, the mass claiming idea (could just be a vehement philosophy thing, but I still think it pretty obviously favors mafia), the omgus both with thoth and pie, the asking about empress exposing themselves (same logic as the mass claim), asking people to tell how much favor they have, imo he just seems very focused on mechanics over behavior. If you look at his actual behavior reads the biggest thing he has said so far is that wryly seems "shy" and used it as a reason to FOS her. The reasoning for the pie push feels omgussy, and again based on pretty bad logic imo. I just really don't think Magoroth is acting like how I imagine a town player should act. I've been bit in the ass by this type of logic before though, so theres a chance he's just our new "khaosmage". If anyone here is from DDO you will get that reference and understand what I mean lol

i lean town on him too but i wouldnt say he is confirmed or anything.

I wasn't suggesting he was.

What if I say that if I have enough favor, I can basically carry town the entire the game

I hope this is true, but if you are scum and this works I am insta lynching you from now on in every game going forward.

post 224 reeks of omgus btw. Noted.

So admittedly I just barely fully read my role PM. Before I kind of skimmed it because it was insanely long. But I have some information in my role that there is a mafia poisoner. Just wanted to get that out there, and apologize for not saying it sooner since I just barely realized it.

If it were anyone but Wylted, I would’ve agreed with you, but the way he specified after that it was only when he got to Imperial is weird to me. I’m wondering if it was a fake claim to begin with.

I'll grant you that, wylted does like to make ballsy fake claims. I still lean that its probably legit based on the other mechanics of his role he mentioned with the leveling up and stuff being required to be a miller, which is a similar theme to mine. Could be mafia have the same mechanics, but yeah something to keep in mind I suppose. He could be just pulling a wylted. His claim isn't going to give him a pass for bad behavior or anything though.

Sounds complex af

Wylted is probably town. Miller is a risky claim but the way he claimed it and his realization about the complex mechanization of his role makes it seem more legit to me. I think we can move past him.

Also heads up I am generally not a fan of games that have weird flavor mechanics, I signed up for this one as a return favor since rex signed up for mine, but I just wanna play normal mafia, so I am going to try to treat this like a normal mafia game as much as possible. I honestly don't understand why mods want to over complicate stuff like this all the time, it seems like it always frustrates the players and ultimately always favors mafia.

A mod-provided fake-claim. Roy Kent, in this case.

They were not told. Basically all they were told was in shinings PM

Did scum know that Pie had a cover?

Whats a cover?

Should've established more towncred for myself, life got in the way. Don't feel bad

You didnt do anything wrong. Thanks for playing btw

Winners: Mafia! (Magicman, Shining)

Second Place: Banana, iLikePie5, RexFavilla, Whiteflame, Banana, Wryly, Wylted, Kohai

Role PM's: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gv0677UvSKmcLJfR11WSrbpBDZnzayz1mPTgBa_AcnA/edit?usp=sharing

Night Actions:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yco5cEr80GRjOF6kz1Cm7lSf2lSBzQ-KwI4Gtn8VdUI/edit?usp=sharing

Design:

A lot of my recent games have been on the swingier/ role heavy side and have been a bit chaotic, so I wanted to go back to my old style of game that was more vanilla heavy. There wasn't a lot of crazy power on the town outside of the cop and pies role, and even then I gave mafia ways to counter both. I also feel I didn't over power mafia either, I am hoping the balance was fine in this one. Obviously pies role I knew could make the game swing in either direction, at the end of the day it resulted in the town only getting two mislynches instead of there normal three, but I also didn't really expect mafia to catch onto Ted Lasso so fast, and if they had guessed wrong, or if shining was lynched first, pie could have been a major force for town here as basically a confirmed unkillable townie. So that was probably the swingiest thing about the game.

Thoughts:

I don't usually like to do MVP's they are a bit outdated, but if I was to give one, I would give it to mharman here. Dude played like an absolute champ. Not only did he accurately guess Ted Lasso dp1, his theme analysis was amazing, he guessed many of the town characters and power roles based off of the tiniest clues, and made excellent decisions for night kills. I forgot how good mharman can be at this game when he's locked in like he was here. It was really fun watching him work in the mafia thread. Everyone else did alright as well, I don't blame town for the mislynches either.

Also whiteflame the reason Roy Kent wasn't in the theme was because that was the fake claim I gave pie as a safe claim, since I figured he would probably need a solid one to play that role well.

The only thing that mafia maybe could have done different was use doctor as a fake claim, but mharman kind of picked up there was no doctor, and I think he chose the safe route with the vanillas which was probably smarter in the end, because it would have been suspicious if a doctor survived that late in the game with no successful protections, so the vanilla claim was probably the way to go. The role hint I gave them was that "there was more than one vanilla in this game".

Anyways, hope you guys enjoyed the game.

Vote Count:

Wryly- 3/3- Magic, Banana, Whiteflame

Wryly was lynched! She was innocent! Endgame up soon!

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