Lunatic

Maybe your just obsessed with asians. The theme is making more sense now.

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Can you ping some players who aren't here and let them know the day phase is ending? Pie, wryly, shining, wylted, and awesome500 specifically. The day phase is ending when I imagine most people are at work but maybe a discord ping can get them to check on their phone or something.

Lunatic dialing down the pressure after I freaked out IRL is actually kinda scummy. He could just say I’m full of shit and keep scumpainting me if he was Town.

ORRRR TOWNREAD IT. Not find reasons why I have to be lynched in spite of being town or why I’m scum. He is almost certainly scum IMO.

Are you actually RM? Because you seem like you are RM lol.

I just can’t shake he’s town. We both are in the same view. I just read it as retard town.

I am open to him being town. Mostly voting him because time is an issue, and I dont wanna random lynch a cop or something, and we already know mago's role is more likely to harm the town than help statistically speaking even if he is town. Its kind of one of those lynches that even if we are wrong it doesn't severely hurt town here.

Tbh I’m good with shooting an inactive.

I'll see what whiteflame and pie have to say. If they think he is town here, I am fine switching to awesome5000, who is really the only inactive left. I believe. Technically shining is inactive too, but thats kind of normal for him, and he will probably make a random post or two every day to appear active.

The claim and character make sense from what I can gather. Works with his role. I just am stuck on his behavior. My gut is saying town but he’s def spastic and tunneling Luna

Not just me, literally anyone who ever pressured him at any point in time or even dared questioned him faced his wrath in some way shape or form lol.

Like I said, strong RM vibes.

At no point did Lunatic ever argue in good faith, he just asked questions to make me scum paint myself, this amn is scum, lynch him after me 1,000,000,000% of the time

This isn't true in the slightest. You continue to mis-represent me. I acknowledged several times that your behavior here seems different from the MAGA game. I just also said I don't think that it outweighs the other behaviors. If I was arguing in bad faith I wouldn't be giving you any such credit.

Okay well, I am honestly lost at this point. Fuck everyone for not trying harder to defend me. I lost the energy but I believe this man is scum. Once you see my flip, please fucking kill Lunatic posthaste. This man takes EVERYTHING I DO and aligns it with scum/no reason to keep alive. Please fucking lynch him. That is my dying wish.\

Strong RM vibes with this post lol

The thing is, to me, I know I am Town and the points you make are like ??? To me. Nobody has ever said to me that reacting to events is scummy, reacting isn’t scummy, HOW you react is.

That's kind of my point though, you aren't just reacting to events objectively, your reacting to events that specifically revolve around you. I initially admitted that you weren't omgusing wryly, but when you clarified your read on her later, it turns out that also was an omgus read based on how she interacted with you specifically. Scum have reason to be hyper paranoid about how they are perceived rather than looking at others and there interactions with fellow players.. Scum have inside information, they don't need to do any hunting. Thus it stands to reason that they are going to be pretty reactive to pressure, and in the past, they have. Really nooby town also can do this I admit, but you've said many times that you aren't a noob.

Mafia isn’t focused on self preservation as much as it is cowardly and afraid, if most scum players get into a 1v1 with someone they usually drop it, flail, stop defending themselves, disengage, etc. whereas town fights because Town is like WHY ARE YOU SCUMREADING ME you must be scum

Like I said above, over reacting to pressure is more of a noob town trait than an experienced town trait. But you did say you haven't played in a while.

He claimed Bai Ruji

https://ruyis-royal-love-in-the-palace.fandom.com/wiki/Bai_Ruiji

Omgus and reaction under pressure is not scummy, man.

It has caught scum before. Sometimes it gets town too, that is why I keep saying this is also a learning lynch. I will understand how to interact with you going forward if you are indeed town here. At the end of the day if your roles are roleblocker/vengeful, you have just as much potential to hurt town as you do scum, statistically more. I don't see a huge benefit to your role, especially now since scum probably wouldn't let you into MYLO/LYLO (assuming your role would even work there, you never confirmed that).

“It will affect how I lynch you in future games”

You are trying to talk me into letting myself being lynched XD how is this not scummy sd

Now you are mis-qouting and mis-representing me.

For someone who merely misunderstands my behaviour, you sure do make a habit out of shooting down my counterpoints to you calling me scum

Maybe because you are a bit heated, but it seems your instant reaction is to omgus, which is a common scum tell for players. Your not responding in a way that really shows you understand why your being pressured so I am trying to explain that to you, and in uncovering your answering I keep finding more things to question you about. You keep viewing it as an attack, and your instinct seems to be to counter attack anyone who attacks you instead of just looking at it from an angle of objectivity. I am not shooting you down, we are having an ongoing dialogue. Sometimes in an online forum setting emotions can get misunderstood. For me this is all logic and being thorough. For you this is somehow a personal attack.

Has he been caught as scum before ?

I took a few games off, so this is my first game with him. But pie told me a little bit about MAGA mafia, and he was pretty inactive in that one and from skimming it looks like he made a pretty bad claim in that one despite being able to ask the mod questions about characters. Him and David were scum and they got lynched DP1 and DP2. Like I said, his behavior does seem to contrast that here a little bit, and its a point I am weighing, just trying to decide if it outweighs all the other factors.

i buy the latter but you are def acting the strangest out of everyone and I’m really struggling to pin down whether it’s just poor play and scum slips or you are just new and nervous.

It could genuinely just be poor play. IE my point about khaosmage. Dude's playstyle eventually became if he wasn't offering crazy ideas or conspiracies you knew he was scum lol. Having not played with magoroth though, this is a very science lynch as much as it is a behavioral lynch. It will effect how I treat this behavior from him going forward if he is indeed town.

Until then, if it quacks like a duck...

Scratch what I said about Lunatic, I think me being angry makes me Town, not him. Him pushing this this hard makes him UBER CONFIDENT which is a SCUM TRAIT

It isn't about being super confident, I am okay with being wrong. Fact of the matter was that we had 4 hours left and you had admitted to lying and have been very reactive to little pressure, among other behaviors I pointed out. I never said you were confirmed scum or anything. If we had more time I would still be pressuring awesome5000 here. Also I think you are incorrect that being "confident" is a scum trait, because that would just make me look bad if you flipped town. It stands to reason that I am pushing you because I genuinely don't understand your behavior as opposed to being dead set that you are scum.

Vengeful does fit with the character. How specifically does it work? You kill the person who hammers you?

Ya know what, I’m scum to you no matter what I say. My entire fucking point id that this DOESN’T FUCKING MATTER. Who cares if I’m reactive or not? Some people are more reactive than others and it’s a perfectly valid way of getting reads. If yiu want to tunnel yourself into scumreading me, don’t fucking ask for my help in doing it, thanks.

You seem a little pissed, but for the record I am actually trying to be objective here. One thing I can say in your defense is you seem a lot more active in defending yourself than you did in the Maga game where you were scum. Pie told me a little bit about that one but I didn't read it fully, but your behavior is noticably different there. That said it doesn't really erase some of the problem points I brought up. At the very least if you flip town, I will have learned a bit about you and will know how to percieve you going forward. There is also a limited amount of time left, but yeah I was probably headed towards voting in your direction either way.

I am taking a step back because I actually have some nasty things to say and I’d rather not say them.

You can say em lol. You can ask anyone, we get heated in this game all the time. Me and pie have said many a nasty thing to one another in game, but when we go to the next one is a refresh and a restart. I obviously don't harbour any ill will towards anyone over a game. If that's different for you, it is what it is. I'll sleep okay tonight though.

oh shit, I didn't realize we have 4 hours left.

I am going to go ahead and unvote, vtl magoroth.

Because the setup says other roles and not just the Emperor can grant favour, so I assume can steal favour or redirect it.

So your logic is... If you claim framer, scum will steal favor from another town and gift it to you? Your interpretation of that comment by the mod is that you would rather garner favor from the enemy then from town? I just don't get this thinking as town. Like at all.

That’s really a stretch. Since when is reacting to other players SCUMMY? I have to get reads one way or the other, if I do it based on people’s reactions to me it’s perfeftly valid because I can gauge people’s reactions (when I’m not getting grilled) to me more easily than to others, for like… a million reasons.

The common theme is that ALL of your reads seem to be in some way based on how they have interacted with you though. Not other people, or not behaviors in general. Every single one of your reads is essentially omgus.

I figured Framer was just unbelievable enouhh of a claim that scum would not question it snd just assume I am telling the truth, plus they could send me favour which would end up helping me and harming them in the long run. Besides, no-claim draws attention, claiming Framer doesn’t (to scum).

What makes you think scum have the ability to give favor? Also for how hyper worried you are about the pressure you have on you, it seems strange that you are pretending to be more concerned with what scum think of you, despite full blown claiming without significant pressure or anyone asking you to.

VTL Mikal

you better claim. You just made me claim and now you’re CCing me without doing it.

No one made you claim bro. It might have been heading that way eventually, but you can't blame anyone else for your decisions here.

It seems to me she’s having trouble actually saying anything and when she does it’s stuff like that “Magoroth is erratic and scummy regardless of alignment”, which somehow manages to both 1) defend me and 2) say absolutely nothing, it’s just safe stuff that anyone who knows me can say

This feeds my point about how every single one of your reads seem to be based on how people react to you, not how their behavior impacts other players and the game. That is a trait I would expect of scum who are going to be more paranoid about their decisions and how they are perceived, then a town player who is looking to hunt scum.

I can, but I won’t. My role is useful when it isn’t known what it is. It’s useless or almost useless when claimed.

I wasn't asking for your role yet, I am asking why you felt the need to lie and claim framer as opposed to not claiming at all? Lying as town in general tends to backfire a lot. It can be done in extreme scenarios imo, but should be used wisely. You didn't have a significant amount of pressure. You were the topic of discussion a bit, but you seemed to inflate your own pressure by over-reacting to it. You weren't at L-1 or even close to being lynched. I really don't see why you lied and claimed framer here.

Why would a scum act shy in a Mafia game? Because they have trouble acting in a natural way and are trying to avoid drawing attention to themselves.

That's the thing, she isn't acting any differently than I've seen her act in other games. She seems like she's being normal wryly. What specifically in her posts did you think was "Shy"?

Fine, I’m not Framer. I don’t want to reveal my actual “last” role because it’s a useful one and its usefulness drops to zero if it’s claimed.

Can you explain why you felt the need to lie about this?

I think you’re intentionally misrepresenting my points. How the hell did you get from what I said that “Wryly is shy”? Why the hell would you think I am literally using LITERAL shyness as a scum trait?

Obviously, being “shy” with scare quotes is scummy, being shy, as in literally shy is not.

Not sure if you just skimmed the thread in like 5 mins or you’re just scum. Kinda feels like this is NAI but still wanted to mention it because it stuck out at me.

I get your emotional, but post 53:

First initial read is that Wryly seems kinda shy. It could be her personality, it could also be due to her alignment.

VTL Wryly

There is nothing to mis-interpret here, this was literally your read.

Okay some of the events of Mago's character are mentioned in my own role PM, or linked in a certain way. Based on what I am reading from his character I am getting strong vibes that he could be a poisoner.

She initially appeared naive, unaware, and reckless. Later, she proves to be very insane after killing another of the Empress Dowager's spies to whipping Ruyi for no reason just because she felt upset that she lost her son. She is used by Consort Jia to cause the first Empress's death.

She eventually became pregnant. Because of Empress Fuca's jealousy and Noble Consort Hui's hatred towards her, they used cinnabar to cause her child to be stillborn. They then framed Ruyi for this. To enact her own form of vengeance, she snuck into Yanxi Palace and attacked Ruyi. The Empress Dowager reprimanded her for this. Later in the story she is an instrument used by Consort Jia to cause the Empress's death and later caused Consort Qing's unborn child's death to the point that she cannot give birth again which she proudly admitted.

At the end of the story, Ruyi told her the truth and offered a death medicine by the Emperor so that way she can go with dignity. Her corpse was incinerated to prevent bad luck.

https://ruyis-royal-love-in-the-palace.fandom.com/wiki/Bai_Ruiji

All this plus I can't understand why the mod would put in a town framer lol.

I can be open minded here, but this honestly wouldn't be the worst dp1 lynch for the science. We aren't really losing town utility here. A roleblocker can be harmful to town as well, unless he somehow blocks the night kill. I just don't see how this role helps town, and there is strong reason to suggest mago is scum based on his role and behavior.

Anyways, still wanna hear from Awesome5000 so I am in no rush to lynch here.