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Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/25/2026 at 11:06 PM (post #42)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 8:42 PM (post #31)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 9:36 PM (post #29)
Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/25/2026 at 6:23 PM (post #20)
It's impossible for me to make an educated decision about whether to vote Yes or No without knowing what role will be revealed publicly or what advantage Mafia will gain if we vote Yes. Instead of agreeing which way to vote, I think we are better off MacGyvering this into a bargain-bin Sensor. Mafia probably know which role will be revealed and what advantage they will get if we vote Yes. If we conspire to vote roughly 50/50 and we all announce which way we are voting, and then the vote swings differently than the public claims predict, we will have a decent PoE for who lied about their vote.
Believe it or not, Thoth can fake this. But the idea doesn't seem bad. Splitting town in half and saying "there's scum in this half" could help narrow PoE in some endgames or scum v town clashes. It's limited in its usefulness, but it could be worth it.
Thoth's assumption that mafia knows what role would get revealed, and what power they would gain is interesting, possibly TMI.
Thoth is a guy we need to solve early. I’m tired of him shitting the bed at MYLO/LYLO.
VTL: Thoth
hmmm or maybe not
...although Pie could have a claim ready. I've seen him run this one before I think
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/25/2026 at 10:57 PM (post #37)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/25/2026 at 1:30 PM (post #10)
As for the vote for information, yeah screw that. I am not sure it’s worth risking buffing the mafia over some information. I am mostly indifferent if people wanna go that way, I can vote that way, but my own opinion I am leaning towards a no vote.
Theres a cheese strat where we force 4 people to vote yes, and if it doesn’t go through, it’s basically confirmed that there’s scum in that pool. I don’t think Banana thought of this though
Possibly a pairing of Thoth/Pie
imma do some gaming
Terraria, Among Us, or Fortnite probably. lmk if you wanna join plz?
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 9:36 PM (post #29)
Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/25/2026 at 6:23 PM (post #20)
It's impossible for me to make an educated decision about whether to vote Yes or No without knowing what role will be revealed publicly or what advantage Mafia will gain if we vote Yes. Instead of agreeing which way to vote, I think we are better off MacGyvering this into a bargain-bin Sensor. Mafia probably know which role will be revealed and what advantage they will get if we vote Yes. If we conspire to vote roughly 50/50 and we all announce which way we are voting, and then the vote swings differently than the public claims predict, we will have a decent PoE for who lied about their vote.
Believe it or not, Thoth can fake this. But the idea doesn't seem bad. Splitting town in half and saying "there's scum in this half" could help narrow PoE in some endgames or scum v town clashes. It's limited in its usefulness, but it could be worth it.
Thoth's assumption that mafia knows what role would get revealed, and what power they would gain is interesting, possibly TMI.
Likes are turned on. Turn that shit off
Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/25/2026 at 6:23 PM (post #20)
It's impossible for me to make an educated decision about whether to vote Yes or No without knowing what role will be revealed publicly or what advantage Mafia will gain if we vote Yes. Instead of agreeing which way to vote, I think we are better off MacGyvering this into a bargain-bin Sensor. Mafia probably know which role will be revealed and what advantage they will get if we vote Yes. If we conspire to vote roughly 50/50 and we all announce which way we are voting, and then the vote swings differently than the public claims predict, we will have a decent PoE for who lied about their vote.
Believe it or not, Thoth can fake this. But the idea doesn't seem bad. Splitting town in half and saying "there's scum in this half" could help narrow PoE in some endgames or scum v town clashes. It's limited in its usefulness, but it could be worth it.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/23/2026 at 3:10 AM (post #1400)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 8/22/2026 at 9:15 PM (post #1381)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/22/2026 at 8:30 PM (post #1378)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 8/22/2026 at 8:02 PM (post #1377)
How tf did you guess pie’s role
lunatic has a day role cop and 1x tailor
Day role cop is Bs af
tbh it was the only source of counterplay against Pie’s role that we had.
i wanted to use the rolecop on Banana because she had thrown shade on flips, and wanted to make the next person flip with her role. Banana would’ve called attention to the tailor and argued it was done to screw her. And then with no obvious answers as to how mafia knew her role, I wanted to argue that Banana straight claimed another townie’s role to pretend like a tailor was out to get her, for town cred (pairing well with her shading of flips), and also hard push either Pie or Mikal for “helping Banana come up with that plan.”
Lunatic noted that Pie being the best player on the site, makes him such a massive threat that his cards need to be revealed. And so he made the call for the latter.
I think if we role cop anyone else (including going for my deep WIFOM plan against Banana) there, we lose. Especially if it led to use killing someone other than Pie. Pie’s role confirming himself and an another townie would’ve been very hard to play against, especially with him likely on my tail the whole game.
Rolecop allowing us to see Pie‘s role and drug deal it offered the best path forward: Instead of trying to fight all the town confirmation that would be present in a game where town only has 3 DPs, we would use it for town cred.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 8/22/2026 at 9:15 PM (post #1381)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/22/2026 at 8:30 PM (post #1378)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 8/22/2026 at 8:02 PM (post #1377)
How tf did you guess pie’s role
lunatic has a day role cop and 1x tailor
Day role cop is Bs af
tbh it was the only source of counterplay against Pie’s role that we had.
i wanted to use the rolecop on Banana because she had thrown shade on flips, and wanted to make the next person flip with her role. Banana would’ve called attention to the tailor and argued it was done to screw her. And then with no obvious answers as to how mafia knew her role, I wanted to argue that Banana straight claimed another townie’s role to pretend like a tailor was out to get her, for town cred (pairing well with her shading of flips), and also hard push either Pie or Mikal for “helping Banana come up with that plan.”
Lunatic noted that Pie being the best player on the site, makes him such a massive threat that his cards need to be revealed. And so he made the call for the latter.
I think if we role cop anyone else (including going for my deep WIFOM plan against Banana) there, we lose. Especially if it led to use killing someone other than Pie. Pie’s role confirming himself and an another townie would’ve been very hard to play against, especially with him likely on my tail the whole game.
Thoth needs to run his next setup by someone. I’m willing. The other people who are capable are Pie, Lunatic, and Mikal.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/21/2026 at 12:49 AM (post #1007)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmrxwRwfRjE
yall check this out lol
THOTH OUTED SCUM LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
VTL: Mag1cman
TIE THE VOTE WITH US AND WE'LL KILL YOU IN THE NIGHT REX, REGARDLESS OF WHO DIES IN THE COIN FLIP. WE PROMISE.
REX I CAN SATISFY YOUR WINCON
LETS MAKE A DEAL
Thoth did not confirm the nature of the modslip. There's some spin from Wylted and Mikal most likely. There's a few fringe possibilities where one could be town, but they;rte so unlikely
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:42 PM (post #867)
I'm tired, we still haven't seen Rex, and I'm done arguing this tonight. The last thing I'll do is direct everyone's attention to what Mikal keeps calling out as an admission of fuck up (post #709):
Yes. It is true. I made a mod error last night. Like the board around the neck of a convicted criminal in Imperial China, I must trod down the boulevards of Clock Town with this shameful admission open for all to see.
An error. It doesn't say what error. It doesn't say who was affected by it. It doesn't say what corrective measures he took. I have no doubt that Wylted and Mikal are on the same page, which means they're either both scum, or neither of them are. I'd say it's likely the same thing for Mag1c and Luna, though it's less that they're paired and more that the result Kohai received from Luna indicates that Mag1c is town. That could be real. That could be a scum Messenger result. That could be the result of a GF role or something like it.
I'm nervous about Kohai here, but he's not my focus right now. Wylted and Mikal are more concerning to me atm, and I'm favoring lynching one of them over Mag1c and Luna. But we'll see where I'm at tomorrow. Please, don't hammer anyone overnight, at least not before we get a claim from Rex.
Well, the only way Mikal isn't Wylted's teammate is that Wylted claimed to send a carol when his teammate actually sent out a message. At which point I can roleblock Wylted whilte Mikal stil receives the message. That open the door to Kohai being scum. Now with Mikal's behavior I'm thinking it's just more likely him and Wylted, but even there Kohai could be our 3p.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 11:41 PM (post #864)
Can we pls fucking solve kohai tomorrow.
Magic said he roleblocked wylted. He didnt. I habe results
So either magic was redirected and daddy wylted is a scum tailor
Or magic is lying.
We can stare at the kohai luna thing tomorrow. Please dont drag this dp out. Game is aids and just want to keep it moving
OR
you keep ignoring my case. you did this in game shows mafia
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:39 PM (post #860)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #846)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:25 PM (post #825)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #814)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #783)
VTL: Mag1cman
Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.
Why are you lying? I just asked thoth the same thing he said:
"They would be told they were roleblocked and they wouldn't jailkeep their target
If the person roleblocking them was the same person they jailed, both would be RB'd"
Anyone can and should verify this right now with the mod. I got permission to copy paste that.
Yep, I got the same feedback. I don't think that runs contrary to what Kohai said. The full story is straightforward:
Assuming Mag1c is the JK and he'd been RB'd, he would have received a message saying that he'd been RB'd. That's what Kohai said. What Kohai isn't understanding is that it's not a slip to point out that he didn't receive the message.
I dont understand where the roleblocking thing even came from and got him to vote magic though. That seemed sus as fuck, pretending he caught onto a slip to jump on board with mikal there. Seemed a bit coordinated.
Yeah, there's something odd going on there. I've got to interrogate my thinking on Kohai a bit.
the whole case against me just asks that we all buy the modslip is exactly one that confirms Mikal and Wylted. We don't know that for sure.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:31 PM (post #841)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 11:27 PM (post #830)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:25 PM (post #825)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #814)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #783)
VTL: Mag1cman
Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.
Why are you lying? I just asked thoth the same thing he said:
"They would be told they were roleblocked and they wouldn't jailkeep their target
If the person roleblocking them was the same person they jailed, both would be RB'd"
Anyone can and should verify this right now with the mod. I got permission to copy paste that.
Yep, I got the same feedback. I don't think that runs contrary to what Kohai said. The full story is straightforward:
Assuming Mag1c is the JK and he'd been RB'd, he would have received a message saying that he'd been RB'd. That's what Kohai said. What Kohai isn't understanding is that it's not a slip to point out that he didn't receive the message.
How is it not a slip? If he didn't get a "your action failed" message, then:
1. Wylted was actually blocked and is lying
2. Got redirected to someone else
Yes, #1 is precisely his point. Where's the scum slip in that argument?
hold on. If Wylted has a teammate who sent Mikal a carol and wylted claimed caroler, it's possible to have both a jailkeep that roleblocks Wylted and for Mikal to recivee a carol, isn't it?
Wylted is still scum either way but worth nothing. Probably still Mikal but Kohai is acting so dumb I kinda wanna explore tinfoils, like Magoroth actually rage-quitting as scum.
VTL: wylted