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I mean it sounds like it could be a fake role, but can a nigga be creative? It was funny.
I liked Kohai’s role. I think it was the best role in this game.
So if you care about my thoughts, there they are
1 and 2 are reasonable, 4 is already resolved
For the record, I think it would be good for hosts to give OoO in sign-ups. I just don’t think they should be required to do so.
Lunatic wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Moderation is gay. Anyone asking for increased moderation is also gay.
Well magic didn’t read the OP
“3- Require hosts to have an OoO and reveal if a setup is bastard. Game integrity on this site is questionable but those two factors have come in front of me in the short time I have been here. Would be a substantial improvement as the community grows. If hosts make up the OoO as the game goes on it is bastard 100% giving them real time influence on what happens”
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Moderation is gay. Anyone asking for increased moderation is also gay.
Join and shitpost!
(this is a lazy game. No one cares)
one more!
Gg
Like a 20 post hard limit for each player would be good
/in
You should have a post limit to make this game lazier
That’s typical around here, and probably on other sites. The point of that is to not reveal to the player they were Rolestopper, or roleblocked or whatever else, leaving it a mystery to the player.
Helz wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Helz wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Helz wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.
The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.
I do not see this as possible. I was 2 shot and I got Vanalized last night. Part of why I did not want to confirm how many charges I had was because I had hoped to waste a kill or one of those shots.
For your action to fail it would require some other sort of reason. I also question why you did not poke or suspect me at some point given you should have felt you were a CC to me this entire time.
Im starting to strongly see Mag1c as scum with this claim.
There's three scum, vanillize plus roleblock is possible.
And the idea that we're a CC in a 13-player game is flat out stupid.
This is egregious logic.
Its not just the doctor thing. Its the fact you claimed your action failed and I could not even have acted as I am a 2 shot. Then there is the factor you never once suggested any sort of suspicion or said anything as I pointed out I was the only protective.
If you softed something please point to it. But I feel like your claim is very unlikely on both the 'how did it fail' bit as well as being a slight head scratching of having a full on doc + a 2 shot role stopper.
You seem to think scum doesn't have a roleblocker when you say the bolded part.
Scumslip?
So far we have not seen role blocking past my actions. Your claim of role blocked is out of place. So yes I am assuming Scum does not have a role blocker.
I am thinking the fact I trusted Thoth enough to reveal I was a 2 shot derailed the narrative you were setting up for.
ok. I can see a reason to believe this, although it's not a good one. If scum has a joat (which is very common here) there will be some roles they have that never get used, or only get used once. When you get a JOAT, some roles are better than others.
Furthermore, I'm not claiming I was roleblocked either. I'm claiming that my night action failed, and if you're town a roleblock is a possibility. And there's other possibilities, but I won't reveal my cards there just yet.
Not sure how to read Helz interpreting my entrance as a hidden shot at them. First thought is that it's NAI bc he made a note about how I let others do the heavy lifting when Helz got mislynched in Solo Leveling Endgame, so maybe he was looking for me to do that. Which meams it's not automatically scummy.
Helz wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Yes, I targeted Rex and my action failed. That's what I said. That doesn't mean I think you visited Rex. If you are scum it's possible, but that's all I can say there.
I figured it was a way to insinuate I had visited them. Unless you were specifically scum with Thoth you could not have known I was 2x. They can verify I revealed that to them.
But there is a mech hole now where you and I have on separate days been on a target we should have protected and it died. Maybe I need to step back and chew on it more.
I would feel a lot better about you if you had suspected me when I revealed or even questioned if I was the only protective or anything of the sort. It just feels like you made a very specifically targeted claim in this critical situation.
I was giving my results. Assume I'm town for a sec. I'm going to give my honest targets and results in that case.
Roleblock Mag1c + kill Rex is a possiblity.
Helz rolestop Rex + other scum Strongman kill Rex is also possible if the interaction works how I think it does.
And there's other possiblites. I don't have a thought for any of them at the moment.
Helz wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Helz wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.
The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.
I do not see this as possible. I was 2 shot and I got Vanalized last night. Part of why I did not want to confirm how many charges I had was because I had hoped to waste a kill or one of those shots.
For your action to fail it would require some other sort of reason. I also question why you did not poke or suspect me at some point given you should have felt you were a CC to me this entire time.
Im starting to strongly see Mag1c as scum with this claim.
There's three scum, vanillize plus roleblock is possible.
And the idea that we're a CC in a 13-player game is flat out stupid.
This is egregious logic.
Its not just the doctor thing. Its the fact you claimed your action failed and I could not even have acted as I am a 2 shot. Then there is the factor you never once suggested any sort of suspicion or said anything as I pointed out I was the only protective.
If you softed something please point to it. But I feel like your claim is very unlikely on both the 'how did it fail' bit as well as being a slight head scratching of having a full on doc + a 2 shot role stopper.
You seem to think scum doesn't have a roleblocker when you say the bolded part.
Scumslip?
Bullish wrote:
All the reasons to scum read mikal, and all the reasons to town read me have already been said. I'm going to summarize this one more time in memory of lunatic banana and ref. Then if you lynch me it's over; if you lynch mikal I'm dead in the night.
Mikal:
only one to not soft claim
only one to claim a inherently scummy role
primary pusher of the competing plan to drive 3 mislynches, starting with the casey mislynch, that he keeps lying about having "utility"
both NKs were mikal voters
Me:
softclaimed
can only be town motivated to defend casey (even clearer now that she flipped town)
can only be town motivated to offer myself up for a 1v1 vs mikal on DP2
town me is the only conceivable reason banana was NKd
100% this. Don't think less of this case just because Bullish is making it.
Yes, I targeted Rex and my action failed. That's what I said. That doesn't mean I think you visited Rex. If you are scum it's possible, but that's all I can say there.
Helz wrote:
I just find it very suspicious that the day we hit Lylo Mag1c seems to hard CC me on 2 sides.
They insinuate I was visiting a target who was killed when it was not even possible for me to visit as they also CC my role as well. Thoth can verify I did reveal to them that I am 2 shot. I would have absolutely no reason to lie to them about that or even tell them that without them asking.
Unless someone else wants to explain how Mag1cs action could have 'failed' they are flat scum shoving for a win this DP. I do not see how its possible unless Shining has something to do with it.
Where did I insinuate you visited a night kill?
whiteflame wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Thoth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
So it's been completely inactive all previous nights?
Yes
Could it have been activated previously?
No
I'm going to take a break from analyzing this because I'd rather not surmise what your role is if we're not seeking a full claim yet. Suffice it to say that you'll almost certainly be pushed to claim during this DP.
On second thought, he may not have to. The lynch is between Mikal and Bullish today, obviously.
It's a 50-50 shot, so I do get why they would be the focus this time around, though if we're even able to limit the other pool by one person, that changes to a 66-33 shot. Not sure if I want Thoth's claim to try and manage that, but I'm considering it.
they're literally just gonna vote each other this DP.
Helz wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.
The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.
I do not see this as possible. I was 2 shot and I got Vanalized last night. Part of why I did not want to confirm how many charges I had was because I had hoped to waste a kill or one of those shots.
For your action to fail it would require some other sort of reason. I also question why you did not poke or suspect me at some point given you should have felt you were a CC to me this entire time.
Im starting to strongly see Mag1c as scum with this claim.
There's three scum, vanillize plus roleblock is possible.
And the idea that we're a CC in a 13-player game is flat out stupid.
This is egregious logic.
whiteflame wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.
The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.
NP1 target was Bullish
NP2 I went for Helz
NP3 I went for Rex
So... a few thoughts.
First, this will require us to take a closer look at Helz. I was not the only one who was reading him as town in part because he was the only claimed protective role. Now we have another.
Two protectives aren't impossible, we've all made each other aware of that, but he will be looked at today, trust me.
Second, you're going to need to be clear about your reason for choosing those 3 targets. Wanting to make Rex suffer through another DP isn't really enough from where I'm sitting, dude was Vanillaized and he wasn't the only widely townread player in the game
Sure.
NP1 (Bullish): Bullish had softed in DP1, and I called it out as obvious PR behavior. I was reading him as a PR worth protecting, so I protected him.
NP2 (Helz): Once Bullish was in Casey's results, I knew he wasn't going to be the NK any time soon. I had two new contenders for a new target: Helz and Rex. Both had claimed powerful roles that could be good for town. I was townreading Rex, and Helz I wasn't sure on. But Kohai died last DP. That meant scum was not going for the obvious NK, which would've been Bullish. And Rex felt like the next obvious kill. While Helz's role was powerful and can stop an NK on Rex (assuming he's town), it can be redirected, or messed with in another way. Redirection-type roles were another factor into my decision. Scum had the potential to use Rex's role against town by messing with it if Helz didn't target there. And while they could redirect Helz + kill Rex, it could fall victim to a protective if they didn't have a strongman. Also if they had a ninja (which I think is a given given Rex's flip and Bullish's role), it's less reason to be afraid of the tracker. But Helz's role could be a real threat to them later. So there were numerous possibilities and pieces of evidence to indicate Helz was more likely to be the night kill than Rex. Yes, if Helz is scum it's a waste, but there was no player outside of Rex and Bullish who I confidently felt was town, and I had already resolved not to protect either. Combine all those factors, and I decided to predict that scum wanted to go for a secondary target outside of the typical targeting of the investigatives, would predict the doctor would go for Rex, and would therefore go for someone else (most likely Helz), while having the tools to deal with Rex without killing him.
NP3 (Rex): With Banana dead, it became apparent they were now targeting people who would vote Mikal along with Bullish. So I that's when I went to protect Rex.
Third, I'm a little wary of that justification. Lots of elements bond with other elements. Hell, arguably the king of bonding other elements is Carbon, which was Banana's character, since it can form four separate bonds to Hydrogen's only one. It's obviously essential for life, but it's hardly alone in that as well.
Sure, but having only one bond means that it's pretty stable once bonded to something. It's the cornerstone of the chemical system, especially with how it relates to life. Depending on what you believe in the origin of the universe, it was the first element created. All good reasons to give it the most credit.
whiteflame wrote:
Thoth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
So it's been completely inactive all previous nights?
Yes
Could it have been activated previously?
No
I'm going to take a break from analyzing this because I'd rather not surmise what your role is if we're not seeking a full claim yet. Suffice it to say that you'll almost certainly be pushed to claim during this DP.
On second thought, he may not have to. The lynch is between Mikal and Bullish today, obviously.
whiteflame wrote:
Thoth wrote:
First, this will require us to take a closer look at Helz. I was not the only one who was reading him as town in part because he was the only claimed protective role. Now we have another.
God forbid that a thirteen-player game have two protectives.
This is so frustrating, dude. The reason why Helz got a mechanical townread from several of us was because he was the sole claimed protective role. I'm not arguing that it's impossible to have multiple protective roles. I'm saying that it matters that there are two because it's not a given that the one claimed protective role is here for balance.
Well, what did you want me to say? "I'm a protective guys, so don't townread Helz too quick!" Yeah what a great plan.
Yes it's true that two protectives aren't guaranteed. But he worked well with a DP1 theory I had, and had dropped out of my focus (what little there was) for the most part after that.
If Casey's soft was reliable, then how much more reliable is Bullish's soft?