Mag1cman

Then let’s just go for Thoth then. I don’t care if being wrong puts me in the crosshairs. I don’t think that’s a town slip.

Mag1cman


Mag1cman wrote:
I sussed Barney for this in Paper Mario Mafia. Same with Awesome in a Kohai hosted on MU. Both times I let someone talk me out of it when I was right the first time.
I was right the first time, in both games, for clarification

And that’s my case against Rex

Mag1cman


Mikal wrote:
Not to mention it was radio silent with the push going through and when we backed off. Everyone miraculously showed up

Yes that’s fair. Although now he’s disappeared while the wagons are elsewhere

Mag1cman
I sussed Barney for this in Paper Mario Mafia. Same with Awesome in a Kohai hosted on MU. Both times I let someone talk me out of it when I was right the first time.

I was right the first time, in both games, for clarification

Mag1cman

I have a good track record with catching scum on this. If you are checking in and out of the thread, you should be able to at least give a blurb on something going on in the game, even if it’s not much.


I sussed Barney for this in Paper Mario Mafia. Same with Awesome in a Kohai hosted on MU. Both times I let someone talk me out of it when I was right the first time.


Mag1cman

I don’t think Rex is towny at all. In a vacuum his posts on Thoth aren’t bad, is the fact that it’s all he’s done this game, despite checking in and out of the thread multiple times previously.

Mag1cman

While I get a CFD in Magoroth, I would rather just lynch Thoth in that case. At least we know what we’re lynching.

Mag1cman

I don’t think I can get myself to lynch Thoth just yet. There’s so much wrong with him.

There really is.


Tbh, as I’m thinking I’m leaning that scum Thoth wouldn’t try to shift the wagon. Subbing out helped Casey in that game, and trying to shift the wagon in Solo Leveling resulted in a townread of the person he tried to get lynched, and other things people tried to read from his last few posts.


But I do want to trust Mikal. There’s other ways of getting info on Thoth. We can figure him out later.


i think the bottom line here is with everything scummy about Thoth, Rex doing nothing all DP just to jump on him at the end is more objectively scummy, than the picture of Thoth as a whole, which has many branching arguments.

Mag1cman

But CFD’s are risky. If Magoroth just happens to be busy irl, then we naught mess up.


I’d rather go Rex. I’ve seen more from him and I know more about what I’m lynching.


VTL: RexFavilla


Mag1cman

I was starting to think I had misread Thoth but Pie has a few good points, plus vanilla could be a fake claim. The thing is nailing a prediction on Thoth.


If we stick to Thoth, we’re saying we want clarity and information. If we CFD to someone else, we’re saying Thoth is far too likely to be town and someone else is scummier.


My top candidate for a CFD is Rex. He has clearly been in an around in the DP, but did absolutely nothing for two days, then throws a sus on Thoth (the no vote can actually be excused as not wanting to put Thoth at L-1), and that’s it.

Mag1cman
So now the question is, given what happened in the previous two games, just scum Thoth try to shift the wagon into someone else, or try to shift the wagon onto himself?

*or try to stick to defending himself

Mag1cman

I can buy a second vanilla somewhere in this game. The question is if that’s a fake claim from Thoth or not.


Pie made a point that Thoth could have claimed Himmel as a fake character claim, and vanilla on his own. I will add that vanilla and Himmel could both be fake claims, if we believe Himmel really shouldn’t be a PR (although I’m not confident in saying that). If vanilla is a fake claim, I can imagine the scum team eventually getting Whiteflame to say that vanillas do not receive justification for being vanilla.


Mikal believes Thoth when he says there’s no justification for being vanilla, just that his PM has general info about his character. I do trust Mikal is town and his opinion means a lot to me here.


Behaviorally, Thoth has seemed off with things like being conscious about his discord activity, and the softing to try and suggest softing to others (possible PR fishing/helping teammate use claim).


His response to #77 was not that good, but just because a defense was poorly argued does not make him scum.


Meanwhile, he has not tried to shift the wagon to anyone else, unlike Solo Leveling Mafia. The counter to this is that he subbed out last game (Amber Mafia).


So now the question is, given what happened in the previous two games, just scum Thoth try to shift the wagon into someone else, or try to shift the wagon onto himself?

Mag1cman


ILikePie5 wrote:

Thoth wrote:
Re: #251. That PM differs from mine in that the justification is specifically for being Vanilla, since he faded into obscurity. I don't even have that.

I do ask y'all to consider in what world whiteflame either gave scum!Thoth's team Vanilla as a fake-claim or we exhausted all our questions this early and ended up claiming that.

Thats pretty easy. Yall took the one fake claim and fake role option and since WF said they don’t tie, you’re forced to use the claim and an easy enough role

I’ll grant this.

Mag1cman

Timeline of events


-I RVS Thoth to test him

-Mikal joins in

-Thoth responds

-Mikal finds it scummy

-I Unvote and evaluate

-I find Thoth scummy

-Pie finds Thoth scummy, joins in

-Thoth gives claim w/ no justification

-Sus continues

-Rex jumps in to throw sus at Thoth, no vote


If we’re talking opportunism, than Rex is a worse offender than Pie imo

Mag1cman

If I’m reading between the lines correctly, Thoth is town and we almost mislynched him. I need you to do the same.

Mag1cman


Thoth wrote:
Per #254, why wouldn't your first sus be Mikal if I flip town?

No. If Mikal is wrong or right, I have reason to townread him independent of the flip

Mag1cman


Thoth wrote:
Re: #251. That PM differs from mine in that the justification is specifically for being Vanilla, since he faded into obscurity. I don't even have that.

I do ask y'all to consider in what world whiteflame either gave scum!Thoth's team Vanilla as a fake-claim or we exhausted all our questions this early and ended up claiming that.

in a world where there’s multiple vanillas. As for the questions, I don’t know. Depends on your usage. I had a game where I wasted all mine a while back.


but I see your point.


i will be fair and say i do expect at least one vanilla in a Whiteflame game, since I coached his first few setups. Multiple aren’t out if the question, I’ve noticed he likes PRs slightly more than I do. I can buy two vanillas in this game.