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I wanna keep my vote where it is for now. I’ll join you guys on Rex in low time, but I have a much stronger scumread on Mikal and I implore yall to reconsider.
makes no sense for to outright claim a major character off the rip and risk a cc unless there were fake claims given and even then doing it unprompted would make less sense as it’s removing an option if I were scum. Scum would save it until pressure and flex it between who needs it.
Not my argument. I’ve been saying that I think you straightclaimed your character and left the questions available for a teammate. Hider isn’t a very common role; even if you used a question on hider you’d still leave three whole questions for your teammate.
I usually would chalk his behavior up to trying to move the Dayphase forward as it’s been largely not active but it seems more like flailing and more so the push on me comes off as seeing if he can get a wagon because I’m largely town read.
I’m the player doing the most while scum has a great incentive to just let things play out if they’re not the target of the main lynch wagon.
And seeing if I can get a wagon off on you… as opposed to seeing if I can get a wagon on someone who isn’t so widely townread… yeah, ok.
David target me tonight please. It will confirm your role at a minium as it would read different than a roleblock. Mafia will have to pick between stopping that result which gives town more actions or letting it go through and giving credibility to both our claims.
Why tf would David ever visit a claimed Hider… unless you mean this would confirm your role to him (as opposed to confirming his role?? I don’t see why he would even need that, he’s widely townread), this doesn’t make sense.
This seems like a ploy to get him to waste his action.
Also, I have yet to see a reason to believe we have a hider in a 9-player setup. Or any semblance of you acting within the incentives of your claimed role.
Goodnight.
I did my research. I have nothing to add when it comes to Rex's soft. I don't know what he's hinting at.
In my main theory he'd be giving the questions to a teammate.
Actually. He would have had to ask about this pretty fast and pretty early. Again not impossible but it helps his case for sure.
Like I said, my big thing here is that I don't think the claim matches the behavior.
I think if he's ballsy enough to claim for early cred off the rip, he's ballsy enough to either straightclaim his real character and leave the questions for a teammate, or to use some questions. The latter does feel less likely.
Gonna townread #189 for the ignorance
There is a theme split in this game. Mafia will be given the opportunity to ask about 2 characters and 2 roles in the game. I will truthfully answer whether they are in the game or not. I will not answer any questions about any roles besides your own, except for roles in the graveyard.
OTHER READS:
Whiteflame: Solid town. Seems to be genuinely operating from the perspective of uninformed town, as mentioned earlier. I personally think scum would have a better explanation for why they chose the number they did, not one where they barely understood their own motivations.
Thoth: Slight town. Earlier I was townreading him for being brave in selecting a number when he expressed some concern over something bad happening if he picked a number. Now he said he did it because of some probability thing. I kinda buy it. Outside of that, he seems clueless, kinda bouncing all over the place.
RT: Solid town. Claim is too stupid for an insta yolo claim from scum. Really nothing else to say here.
Rex: slight scum. Didn't care for how he started the game and it lowkey feels like he's just reaching when it comes to his read on me. I'll have to double-check Wryly's point on his softclaim.
Wryly: Null. I like how she has a few original thoughts, albeit small, particularly her various thoughts on Rex's softclaim and mass soft ideas. Only thing that bothers me is the open speculation on Lunatic's character.
Lunatic: Null. Hasn't done much. Gave an unexplained townread of me and gave a pretty strict softclaim. I'd say the latter is NAI because it depends on his character, and could just be straightclaiming anyway.
Casey: Null. Has been around, but hasn't really wowed me with anything. Her reaction to my questions are NAI, and her reads don't really impress me. I don't dislike them either.
even the gambit I'm thinking of doesn't make total sense from his pov... but he might have an explanation for it and I wanna give him that chance at least
*her being
I guess here being a "more than meets the eye" type character could make her a JOAT.
but the other two ideas have something to them, even if one might be a bit of a stretch
Other than that, there seems to be more to her than meets the eye, both in how Cassandra takes on the identity of "Evanlyn" for a bit, and how she's the classic "woman who proves her doubters wrong by being surprisingly good at something" character.
The idea here is maybe godfather...
Eh. Doesn't really work cause Godfathers want cops to visit. The claim seems designed to prevent people from visiting him
Trying to parse what his role could be, with the assumption he just straight claimed his actual character out of ballsiness. All I could get related to her skills in diplomacy was that she convinces others to change their actions, hence a redirector of some kind. A little bit of stretch on that one, though. Other than that, there seems to be more to her than meets the eye, both in how Cassandra takes on the identity of "Evanlyn" for a bit, and how she's the classic "woman who proves her doubters wrong by being surprisingly good at something" character. There is her trusty sling, which she uses to cause brain damage/incapacitate her opponents. Roleblock of some kind? Could be dealing with a JOAT here.
However, there is one other thing, so I have to ask: Are you doing some gambit here with your claim?
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Imma just vote Mikal here.
VTL Mikal
The justification for his claim is good, I'll grant that.
However, I don't think it makes sense from a balance standpoint and I don't think his behavior matches his claimed role:
Imma just vote
Does anyone know how to double quote stuff? As in having multiple layers of quotes in a post.
Mharman: If we do have antagonists for one scum, then it's a near guarantee the theme split is just protagonists vs. antagonists
Casey: I disagree, Pie's theme splits tend to be very non-obvious.
If you can come up with a theory that pairs a particular antagonist and protagonist together, I'm all ears. Until then, I think what I've said here is correct.
I think you have the right version here. The only real question a mod has to answer is if hider can be roleblocked/redirected, which isn't relevant here.
I found it odd that Magic is dissecting everything in this game in minute detail and is trying to start discussions with random number tests but didn't speculate at all when I hard scum-read him out of the blue. Isn't responding to that a better opportunity to start engagement/activity ex nihilo than wondering why someone picked a random number?
You said you had elsewhere to be, and that you had some reads you'd explain later. Were you expecting me to go on some deep dive there? It's NAI, and I specifically said I wasn't going to engage unless you had a real point on me. Again, Post 117.
Why Casey?
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(Post #57) I had random.org choose an integer between 1 and 8, and it gave me 7, which is, coincidentally, my player number. The probability of choosing any integer from 1 to 8 is 1/8, not significant at p = 0.05.
Speaking of probabilities, y'all could call me a dumbass for blithely picking a number without considering that it might help scum, and, worse yet, leaving it to random.org. I disagree. With 9 players and almost certainly 2 scum, the probability of that ability being town was 3/4, assuming I had no reason to believe that town or scum was more likely to have it, which I did not.
I've never heard of a mechanic that interacts with random number choices. I figure that I have the least experience with this site's meta of anyone in this game, certainly near the bottom, but the befuddled reactions to it tell me that nobody else here has heard of one either.
Fair enough.
(Post #68) Eh. The likelihood he forgot he could make this play is high enough that I wouldn't scumread Mikal for it even if I discounted his incentive to SOP-claim because claiming Compulsive Hider later could look bad.
(Post #68) Serious question: what kinds of behavior would you do if you were town and wanted to bait the NK? You could fake-claim a role that scum would want gone, but that would make you the prime lynch target if town catches your lie.
(Post #70) The character and justification are plausible enough that it's not worth questioning until we get information that could confirm or deny it.
Try to soft that you know something others don't, or that you have a way of finding out. I don't think it's a hard play to find, especially for someone of Mikal's caliber.
The other half of this is the fact if he dies hiding behind someone, town loses a whole DP. Loss in two misylnches, rather than three.
(Post #71) I never said that mafia are antagonists. I suggested it based on both claims being protagonists, and even that is inherently questionable since scum would presumably claim protagonists if they had no existing claims to judge by, although I doubt that is what happened here.
Potato potato.
I can't imagine scummates drawing attention to themselves in a pair like that.
Fair.
I'm solidly townreading RT now because a Bodyguard-But-Wait-There's-More sounds powerful to me and, the more I think about it, the more I can buy that Tug's ability is inapplicable to killing actions because Pie sacrificed a little faithfulness to lore and to common sense for a lot of game balance.
I'm inclined to agree with this only because I think RT's claim is a retarded instaclaim if he's scum.
(Post #75... and #76) I disagree, especially in light of Post #87. Thank you, Casey!
I agree with Post #87. I don't think that post counters what I said in 75/76. If we do have antagonists for one scum, then it's a near guarantee the theme split is just protagonists vs. antagonists, which would make my read of Mikal incorrect.
I did a little bit of research, and I'm not seeing theme splits of one protagonist and antagonist together that are realistic. If this were Star Wars Mafia, I could easily see Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader together... but Ranger's Apprentice doesn't have the plot of Star Wars.
(Post #94) Hider and Asceticiser can interact in interesting ways, but many other pairs of roles can too, so I do think pointing them out as complementary is odd, albeit not worth a scumread.
Yeah I think whoever believes that has no idea what they're talking about.
(Post #94) CC = Counter-Claim? Either way, why would one be a pseudo-CC of the other?
I don't think they are.
(Post #111) With scum being allowed two questions about which characters are in the game, it might be less bold than it seems, although I still trust Mikal because Evanlyn is much more likely in the game than not.
Fair point about the questions; it would warrant aggressive usage of the questions, though. Not implausible, but I think it's more likely he's straight claiming and the split is Horace+Evanlyn/Cassanda, or maybe his character and Will. Alyss and Madelyn also work.
I don't know what you're getting at by "indicates the perspective of uninformed town", since the only information whiteflame had here was which numbers other people publicly posted, unless you're suggesting that scum could have discussed their choices in scum chat and then somehow scumslipped it. In any case, scum generally want to indicate the perspective of uninformed town, so no town points there.
Point taken, but I think it comes across as pretty honest when he came up with some original theory. It's better than "idk so I'll just let you cook."
I'm uncomfortable about Magic because of that request for number-picking. Not that I've forgotten how wrong I was last game when I accused whiteflame and RT of making up the Caroler, but I have a sinking feeling that he did this to activate some ability and then present it as a town move. That 3/4 probability I mentioned earlier plummets when I consider that I don't see why a townie would lie about this, but an evil might. Also, and I admit that I was also wrong last game when I said this about whiteflame, Magic's sheer amount of helpfulness and attempting to spark activity makes me suspicious that he's going out of his way to seem town. I also agree with Rex (Post #110) that my scumdar is lighting up in Wryly's direction, but that's pure gut feeling.
And this is just effort = scum.
Magic I'm leaning a bit scum on because I feel like he would at least respond to that with his level of experience.
#117 "Mikal's case isn't worth responding to... I guess I'll find out if Rex has anything worth defending later"
I'm not gonna respond to a nonexistent case, not beyond what I said here.
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