Mag1cman

With the reaction test pretty much done, I'll go into my thoughts:

First things first, I don't think this was as effective as I felt. I was hoping to get some wild speculation and theories from the test subjects... if they acted in a reasonable manner according to their theories, it was a sign of towniness. Instead, what I got was a bunch of people who just seemed confused about the whole ordeal.

That doesn't mean the effort was entirely useless.

Thoth: Said "I hope this doesn't hurt me" and then just went in with a random number... initially I thought it felt nooby, but after reading his posts a bit harder, he doesn't seem like a noob. That being said, the fearlessness in the face of possible danger is something I think is a bit townie.

Whiteflame: So, apparently, he had something that told him to pick a number that wasn't already selected by others (if I'm understanding him correctly here)... I'm not sure what the benefit to picking what others havent fhpov is, but the fact that he thought of something like that indicates the perspective of uninformed town. Obv giving town points for that.

I can't really say the same for Wryly, since she gave the rationale after Whiteflame. I think it's NAI there.

Casey's response is NAI. "Just letting me cook" is fine, but it could just be blowing smoke up my ass. Her response lacks what Thoth's and Whiteflame's had, so there's no real town indicator there. Could easily just be a mafioso throwing out a random number, speculating that I'm just reaction baiting.

RT's response is also NAI. Not much to say here. I'm not too bothered cause I have other reasons to townread him.

So I got small town hints on Thoth and Whiteflame here. Wasn't everything I hope for, but it went ok I guess.

There isn't a real synergy between Hider and Aesceticizer. One protects from all actions at the cost of a potential two NKs, the other just stops non-lethal actions; in a town context, it's useful for preventing investigators from being roleblocked or redirected.

*why you chose the number you did

So you know I was looking for reactions... but I'm still curious about why you chose the number I did

Mikal's case isn't worth responding to... I guess I'll find out if Rex has anything worth defending later

Quit deadnaming me bigots

Be back in a few hours

wont be a good test on RT now that I’ve outed it, but I think people are just sitting around waiting on me instead of moving the game along, so I’ll just get out of the way

since those last posts I’ve been busy, but yes, literally just fishing for whatever reactions I can read.

The idea was that people would theorize what my idea was here and I’d read off that. If anyone had a speculation as to my role, I would then try to analyze if their number selection lined up with town or scum incentives, with consideration to their specific speculation.

Need a greater sample size (number of posts) on most of the other players here. Mainly Rex and Lunatic.

*more on the reasoning

*more on the reasoning

For Whiteflame and Wryly, need to understand more the reasoning for their number selections.

im gonna ask: Is there a specific mechanical idea you get I was hinting at?

gonna tag the other three to remind them to answer my follow-up question from earlier.

As for Thoth, no thoughts yet. Apparently part of another mafia community, but for how long they’ve played in that community, idk. Getting big noob-y vibes from him, so I’m gonna guess: Not for too long.

Has posted enough to warrant a deep dive, so that should be my next action.

Double post. Bruh.

On a more humorous note, after doing some research, it thinks it’s funny how all of the kingdoms are just stereotypes of European knights, Germanic barbarians, Mongol warriors, etc. very on the nose lol

Worth noting here is that if we lynch scum and they flip antagonist, both RT and Mikal essentially locktown. Not convinced that’s the case, but still.

Worth noting here is that if we lynch scum and they flip antagonist, both RT and Mikal essentially locktown. Not convinced that’s the case, but still.

TLDR: I don’t rate RT too highly of a player (no offense) but the claim seems to be a bit much on the stupid scale, for anyone who isn’t total noob or shitter from the early DART days. I don’t think he’s terrible at the game like that. I rate him as middling.

As for RT’s claim: Tug is a deep pull and first instinct was that it’s the type of role to avoid claiming a major character.

Did some research, and it turns out there’s more to the horse than I thought. Notably, the horse can speak to Will Treaty, the main character. Other information shows a horse with human intelligence, that plays a larger role than I thought.

still not a major character imo, but there’s more there than what I thought.

If the character can still be considered a deep pull, then one must answer why RT claimed so quickly under no pressure. Only argument is aggressive claiming right off the rip; would have to be teammates with Mikal imo.

Maybe Lunatic since he can be very aggressive. I can see him approving an aggressive claim from RT, thing is I’d be shocked he isn’t doing it alongside RT.

Justification, as Wryly pointed out, is a stretch. I agree with the reasoning there.

I think the key here is that the claim feels too stupid to be scummy. I find it hard to believe that he claimed a character one would only have to think is a decent fake claim with some exceptional research and/or knowledge, and then would still have argue against the perception of it being a deep pull when it’s kinda middling, and then slap on a stretchy justification, all while claiming off the rip with no pressure.

One would think if you have an aggressive claim you want to try as scum, you’d want to make sure you have a darn good justification first.

Im gonna give RT a slight townread.

Small behavioral thing: I don’t mind the low activity, but absolutely no small blip on what’s going on, when he does check in, (outside of his claim) bothers. Can be applied to Rex as well.

It’s not much but I’ve had some success reading people off this in the past.

And then there’s the question if mafia are protagonists or antagonists.

I saw Thoth mention this earlier. He thinks mafia are antagonists.

It’s far from a guarantee. In inheritance cycle mafia (a previous game of Pie’s), the mafia characters were both protagonists, in a game where other protagonists were also town.

I also lowkey think people were too quick to just not question Mikal’s claim at all

ok, so why 4 over the remaining numbers?

I’ve been pondering Mikal’s claim for a bit.

Mikal’s claim has a great justification, but hider in a 9-player setup is wild. And if I were hider I’d be baiting the night kill. The whole “claim is scummy sounding” problem can be solved by just pointing to behavior that indicates you were baiting the NK. I don’t like it.

I don’t think scum Mikal would just try and nail a major protagonist off the rip, but then I have to theorize a scum role for his character. Like I said, I’ll admit the justification for compulsive hider matches really well. Maybe something to do with her ability to negotiate with others? Some in-world politics thing.

Ok

*run that shit by me again

Ok that shit by me again but rephrased. Cause I’m not understanding.

You forgot your own reasoning for picking 1?

The test was designed in a way that it was supposed to be obvious that each number corresponded to a player that isn’t me.

Results:

Casey: 3 (Lunatic)

Thoth: 7 (Thoth)

RT: 5 (RT)

Whiteflame: 1 (Whiteflame)

Wryly: 4 (Mikal)

Follow-up: Why did you each pick the numbers/players that you did?

At least from the way it's been brought up so far, it clearly involves some choice among the remaining 8 players beyond him, yes.

This was by design. I think I’ll end the experiment here.