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Youre essentially saying that scum get 2 NKs a night. And let’s say King is replacement for Queen. That still doesn’t explain the lack of NK. We know for a fact they could Poison and NK in NP2.


No?


(1) Alyssa - The Queen Ant - You are the source of the swarm. The origin of ants and the force behind the expansion of Jeju. The hive exists because of you and every ant obeys your will. Your aura is enough to overwhelm any who oppose you. You win with the mafia



Poison - convert the factional nk into a poison ability that kills someone the following night.


The poison took place of the factional NK. I'm arguing that the injury does the same.

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This is why it would’ve been useful if you had just used the Cop. The question is did Mikal give Miller as a fake claim?


I don't think he gave role claims.

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Okay, maybe I'm over justifying my gut. I have been out of things lately. I still feel strongly about Rex, but I also see that we don't have the time or support to pivot to him. Between Shining and Banana I prefer Shining, mostly because I can't remember what he's done all game and I've been reading Banana as town all game. Are we confident whoever carried out the injure is scum? Did your guild know you could jail, Pie? You may have set yourself up to frame someone.

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Shining says once per game he can redirect actions from one player onto himself. That's his power. Justification is he's a silent type with a strong desire to win. It has been pointed out this is absolute ass on all counts.


And Mikal gave Helz role justifications that didn't even exist in the show. He literally gave him an item that doesn't exist in the show, and an item that doesn't work in the show. I'm so far past the point of trying to make role justifications make sense.


As for the role being ass, so it appears are most of the roles in the game.


That said, I'm not against a shining lynch, I just feel much stronger about Rex.

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In s!Rex world the injury is the NK. The Ant King injured Cha Hae-In so badly that even SJW's video game cheat code potions couldn't heal her.

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Alright, I only was half focused the last two days. Explain to me what's going on with Shining's claim and explain to me why the injury can't come from Mafia in lieu of the NK?

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There being both a roleblocker and a redirector and the strongman all makes Awesome's role very high utility as well. Mikal confirmed that it would prevent all 3 of those roles from interfering with actions.

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On a side note, Awesome not joining a guild is kinda town because Mikal confirmed that Mafia doesn't have to wave roles or kills to recruit so there's no drawback to joining, but there's clear benefits because the guild wincon means the guilds are incentived to protect their own members if they can.

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So my strongest scumread right now is Rex. I wrote him off as town early on when Lunatic hard town read him. That told me he claimed. I assumed this meant he was a cop or doctor or other strong town role. When the cop result came out, I immediately thought, "yep, checks out, he's the cop." Well now we know he's not the cop. I cannot for the life of me understand why Lunatic town read him so hard then. My assumption has to be because he claimed his character immediately and that's risky as mafia. (According to Helz, you have access to the entire guild discord Wryly, so help me out here if I'm wrong.) The problem with this is, mafia was given at least character claims. I assume the amount they were given is 2. 1 is too few in a game this big. 3/4 mafia having free characters in a game where you can clap yourself as well is ridiculous. I refuse to believe that Thoth's claim was given by Mikal. He claimed a non hunter in a game where every town turned out to be hunters. That's cooked. What this means is that the 2 mafia fake claims were already accounted for, and he was shit out of luck when he had to claim. Alyssa already took ownership of Go Gun-hee in the Mafia chat because she was prepared to claim popular as it fits both the fake claim and her actual role. Rex already claimed his character in the guild chat. That left no fake claims for Thoth, and the push on him was early enough that mafia did not know how many player characters would be in the game and if it would look scummy to claim a player character.


If Rex is mafia, Thoth's claim funmble makes sense.


Further, if Wyrly doesn't detect alignment, Rex's role makes no sense.

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I asked Mikal days ago if 3P investigate as guilty or innocent. He said it depends on game mechanics he would not elaborate on. This is an odd response if my ability really only detects a monster smell.


That's what I'm getting at. He's not telling you that you are not an alignment cop because that sets up confusion from the roles. The roles, for the most part, are varying levels of shit. The whole point is that we can't rely on them to win the game.

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Wyrly
Alyssa should have checked as guilty if I can sense monster mana.


Right, and I'm still trying to figure that part out. I imagine it's a bus driver still, because if they have one then they are always driving Alyssa that np. They would have had to of driven Alyssa to Whiteflame, but I believe it as a possibility since it was already obvious he was SJW and they would be setting him up to get vigged

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I'm Mestari "The deceiver" I assume that's an epithet for me. I won't say why I'm the deceiver because it's hard to paraphrase while still making sense. It basically has to do with manipulating truths and lies to get results. My understanding is that it's a reference to transformers mafia where through a complex series of events, I convinced everyone that I had a 1x mass lie detector. I had a lie detector, but it was not mass.


My role is called "City observer". This is what the home owners association soft claim referenced.


At the bottom of my card it says "Strategist of Uncertainty", because the AI acts like I'm the Copy Ninja of the Hidden Leaf Village, Kakashi of the Sharingan.

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I can either choose to see how may actions are taken in a night or how many people didn't move that night. Both are 1x. I have to be in a guild to use them, so I haven't. I don't target players, so it was explained to me that intent to act is what I count. Failed actions and actions prevented by kills still to towards the count. Because I don't target, an ascetic with a visiting role would add to the count. This is where I gathered Mikal didn't think how my role would interact with an ascetic, at least one week

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I'm asking Mikal how the actions resolve, but my assumption is that the doctor only protects from factional night kills and not delayed kills. That is to say, I believe that if the doctor protects the target of a poisoner or injurer the night they are targeted, they do not prevent the poison or injury. With the doctor and healer being the same person, they are constantly put in a state of having to choose to save the known victim of doctor someone else.