RexFavilla

Scum pairings analysis

Wylted/Banana - possible

Wylted/Helz - impossible (Helz would lynch)

Wylted/Magoroth - possible

Banana/Helz - impossible (Helz would lynch)

Banana/Magoroth - possible

Magoroth/Helz - possible

From a neutral perspective:

Magoroth/Me - possible

Banana/Me - impossible (would have lynched Magoroth or Wylted)

Helz/Me - impossible (would have lynched Magoroth or Wylted)

so overall possible scum pairings from a neutral perspective are:

Magoroth/Me

Helz/Magoroth

Banana/Magoroth

Wylted/Magoroth

Wylted/Banana

Will reread later And expore all these options, specifically the Wylted/Banana one which is the only instance in which Magoroth is innocent.

Do not vote right off the bat, talk to me first and discuss things a bit.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 8:08 PM (post #90)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 10/11/2026 at 2:05 (post #87)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #82)

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 1:56 (post #79)

PGO is a very rare role anyways and the only times I’ve seen it, it was not compulsive. because it’s too bloody strong lol

It's not strong, it's anti-town. It's used in very big setups to cause general confusion and obscure extraneous killing roles, or in setups with limited visiting roles to ameliorate the damage it causes, or it can be a creative way to do anticlaim and allow extra kills if scum are given a redirector. Once the PGO claims they can redirect people to them to get extra kill(s).

every role is anti-town if used incorrectly.

idea as PGO is to pretend to be a PR so mafia visits you. there really is’t a mafia bible that says what roles are or aren’t antitown. bus driver - peak chaos. also extremely good because chaos is PRO-TOWN scum needs order.

Pretending to be power role is a dumb strategy because it will also get you doc'd, which scum will realize and may not even target you as a result. Then you as PGO just killa the doc and someone else gets NKd. Or maybe a tracker picks up on it and assumes you have an active role and so knows they will get a result by tracking you. This is one the most retarded plans as PGO I've ever heard of.

Scum doesn't need order. Scum already have information asymmetry. They thrive in chaos. Like this fucking DP.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #82)

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 1:56 (post #79)

PGO is a very rare role anyways and the only times I’ve seen it, it was not compulsive. because it’s too bloody strong lol

It's not strong, it's anti-town. It's used in very big setups to cause general confusion and obscure extraneous killing roles, or in setups with limited visiting roles to ameliorate the damage it causes, or it can be a creative way to do anticlaim and allow extra kills if scum are given a redirector. Once the PGO claims they can redirect people to them to get extra kill(s).

What the fuck even is this game. A non-compulsory PGO? Never seen that on any mafia site. It is probably one of the most SOP roles in the game to claim for that reason.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/9/2026 at 6:23 PM (post #49)

this dude lied at MYLO. you are not this dumb so you either trolling or scum.

no competent player let's mago live. you are can maybe play this shit off next DP if you just bus him. also helz is definitely town so what are you doing just sitting back and seeing if he votes wrong!

Magoroth has done retarded shit like lying about his role and hurriedly backpedaling before as town. You've never done something as retarded as randomly hammering the unclaimed doctor well before the DP was over.

Pie also wanted WF to replace into your slot. It makes sense for him to want a very skilled, active player in a slot he knew was town when you were MIA.

I want Helz to have a chance to weigh in before we end the DP so Banana, keep it in your peel. No voting.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 5:11 PM (post #41)

Its also hella convenient for Wylted to ignore one glaring thing - Pie had me outside of his PoE and he as much as pointed this out - why do you think a player like Pie leaves an inactive outside his PoE? Think a little bit

This is actually a really good argument. Isoing Pie didn't bring this up so it wasn't top of mind for me but people asked him about this and he was mum.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/9/2026 at 4:52 PM (post #37)

you either know I am town or think I am town. either way it looks good on you just to finish off mago. you essentially admit in your last post that you are accepting my NP2 results of tracking pie to Helz, which is why you didn't speculate on who he visited NP2 and only on NP1

Whom he visited NP2 is irrelevant as he died, so there are no behavioral clues as to what his result was. It makes sense that he would visit Helz, but if that's apparent to me it's apparent to you as well, so you could easily be fabricating a believable result.

My thought is that Pie investigated either Wryly or WF NP1. He definitely was defending Wryly whenever someone pushed her last DP. I'm toying with the idea the scum rolecopped Wryly, which is the only thing that makes Wylted's insane quickhammer play make sense as scum. Knowing you can take out the doc and then safely kill Pie. But then again wryly did screech out that she was the doctor before finally ACKing, which was dumb. Don't give scum free info right after they do you dirty like that.

Who do you think was most likely to kill Pie?

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/9/2026 at 3:40 PM (post #31)

mago is prolly scum here but I want helz claim before we hammer

Can we not fucking vote right now, let alone hammer?

Wylted is obviously scum. I dropped my vote on wryly for pressure purposes and came back to find her randomly lynched super early just as I could have started posting in earnest. I'm the Grinch. I take evil actions but have a heart of gold, so I investigate as evil. I'm like 85% sure, if he's town he's just phenomenally retarded to lynch her without a claim like that. The only thing that's holding me back from lynching him is Mago claiming BP when there's already a town roleblocker and doctor.

Can you make an argument for not lynching Wryly?

UNVOTE

VTL: Wryly

Yoooo-hooo lets chat

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/7/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #80)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/7/2026 at 8:40 PM (post #78)

VTL: ILikePie5

Anyone else getting odd vibes from Pie this game?

The Cheshire Cat of mafia isn't reading my posts

I will tomorrow, been splitting wood all day.

Winter is coming.

VTL: ILikePie5

Anyone else getting odd vibes from Pie this game?

I also thought we might need a scum to vote on Thoth to secure a lunch so just some light pressure to make them feel like they may look more guilty by not assisting in the lynch

So you think scum is off the lynch? That's kind of wifomy isn't it?

I think WF kill was revealing for another reason but I'll keep that up my sleeve for now as I want to see what scum do next.

WF kill is not odd at all. Midgame scum want to control and influence the DP. WF is a prolific poster and good at dominating conversation. Only argument against killing him is that any watcher worth their salt would be watching either him or Pie NP1, as those are the two obvious kills.

Is someone going to reaction test me literally every game I play?

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/6/2026 at 1:50 PM (post #2)

VtL Rex

explain why you visited somebody as a miller?

I didn't.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/5/2026 at 9:59 AM (post #234)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 11/5/2026 at 7:58 AM (post #233)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/5/2026 at 1:44 AM (post #220)

VTL: Magoroth

lack of activity

So is the entire basis for lynching him a lack of activity?

why would he get a pass for it when others dont? thoth at least claimed. idk neither are ideal lynches

My main concern is not getting enough votes, but I also don't see him as particularly scummy compared to Thoth. Maybe a bit. But lynching inactives is also dangerous for town, especially unclaimed ones. We know Thoth has a role that can hurt or help town and a role that is scummy as hell as well.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/5/2026 at 7:30 AM (post #223)

Banana is starting to ping me more. Usually my thoughts line up with theirs very well and while I am not looking as deep as normal I am seeing points I do not understand. Its from memory and a gut read so not worth much but they just feel different to me in that I am not constantly reading their words and thinking I could have been the one to say them. The mind meld is just not here this game.

what specifically u talking about.?? i think my only major opinion so far is that the thoth wagon seems like lowing hanging fruit.

Couple hours left boo who we gunna lynch together <3

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/4/2026 at 4:40 PM (post #177)

Town busdriver also makes a game this small incredibly swingy.

DP1 5:2

Lynch

NP1 5:1 - at this point the BD has a 1/6 chance of busdriving the remaining scum and the NK ending the game

NK

DP2 4:1

Mislynch

NP2 3:1 - at this point the BD has 1 1/3 chance of busdriving the last scum and the kill target, ending the game

If the busdriver survives the game becomes incredibly risky for scum. If they have some strong counter to the role it's pointless as a town role. It's different than the redirector because the reditector has to manipulate actions in the right direction, essentially doubling the odds for scum. If they redirect the NK target to the surviving scum, it doesn't end the game. All the busdriver has to do is target both the target and the killer and it doesn't matter, the game is over.

Basically if there is a town busdriver, and we lynch scum DP1, and the busdriver survives two more DPs, the remaining scum has an around 50% chance of the NK and themselves being switched and outright losing the game. That's very very swingy,

Town busdriver also makes a game this small incredibly swingy.

DP1 5:2

Lynch

NP1 5:1 - at this point the BD has a 1/6 chance of busdriving the remaining scum and the NK ending the game

NK

DP2 4:1

Mislynch

NP2 3:1 - at this point the BD has 1 1/3 chance of busdriving the last scum and the kill target, ending the game

If the busdriver survives the game becomes incredibly risky for scum. If they have some strong counter to the role it's pointless as a town role. It's different than the redirector because the reditector has to manipulate actions in the right direction, essentially doubling the odds for scum. If they redirect the NK target to the surviving scum, it doesn't end the game. All the busdriver has to do is target both the target and the killer and it doesn't matter, the game is over.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 11/4/2026 at 3:31 PM (post #161)

I don't recall him giving any breadcrumbs for his role in the Epstein Island game. I find it odd he wouldn't at least have mentioned something about his role this game, given that it's very often a scum role, especially after so many people started pushing him for a claim. I can understand being reticent about it at least, so that could explain why he held off as long as he did, but it could also be that he was still figuring out what to claim.

My initial thought was a panicked straight claim as pressure builds. Also outside his normal operating hours - scum mate pestering him about pressure building?

Like we're sitting around not doing shit all day cause Thoth wouldn't claim last night and if we take pressure off the wagon people might not get back on the wagon in time for when he decides to log back on in the wee hours of the morning.