Because I'm a mislynch target. Killing Luna would confirm the POE with his flip and they want to discredit the dreamer results. They aren't going to kill the townie in POE because that will confirm the remaining one as scum. That narrows it down to Mharm or RT.
Cockblocked by my horse =(
Been a lot longer than a sec
That is the only reason that scum would withhold claims and information
*Only reason town would withhold claims and information
How would his results on me allow him to catch Mharman out? That is the only reason that scum would withhold claims and information. To contradict scum and catch them in a lie. The only info which Thoth had to disclose was already revealed by me at the beginning of the DP. The delay only makes sense from a scum perspective.
When town see results that mystify them, they don't stall and try to figure out how to post about it. They post about it and let town hash it out. They point out what they see. Especially at the endgame. The way Thoth was behaving seemed like the was terrified of whatever info Mharman is playing close to his chest somehow tripping up what he says.
The delay to figure out how to parse my results also makes sense. I figured I might be a mislynch target and that was one part of me outing my results early today. Last DP I figured that scum would try and wiggle out of the dreamer results by framing Luna and I as the scum team. So I both confirmed Luna for my own peace of mind and to convince whomever out of the three is town. I was aware of the possibility of this ending the game but I was willing to gamble on it because it was critical to lynch scum next DP, and if Luna was scum he would probably carry out the NK to avoid his teammate from doing anything incriminating. The fact the Luna was roleblocked would also confirm to him that I visited him if he were town. So I feel like if he were scum and creating this false POE my targeting him would stop the NK and kill me, allowing me to be tracked to him if Thoth and Wryly were town.
This also would have the intended effect where if Thoth was scum this would throw him for a loop, because I imagine a scum fakeclaiming a tracker would lie about me visiting the NK target to secure their last mislynch. This way I would be confirmed visiting someone else which would require them to formulate a new approach that took into account confirmed Dreamer poe. The fact that Thoth immediately started stalling makes me extra suspicious of him.
I also find the decision to track me from a town perspective perplexing. The only other person in dreamer POE has claimed an active role. Wouldn't you track them to get to the bottom of what they are doing and catch them in a lie if you are town and in dreamer POE? I claimed roleblocker. If I targeted a town player, wouldn't they know I did so by being roleblocked if I was lying as scum?
Hmm I'm thinking scum is possibly Thoth and Wryly. Why else the push on me specifically? If Thoth is town and he believes the dreamer results enough to be pissed at me blocking them wouldn't Wryly be 100% scum to him? Yet he claims that I am 100% scum. I think that's a scumslip.
I would have preferred you wait before revealing your visit
Sorry toots.
Since you guys are so adamant at playing this game of gay chicken, can we pick a time for you two to finally kiss? In a half hour/hour/two hours? You will both have to post once the clock strikes 9/10 whatever, within that minute window. This would make it so neither of you will have time to craft a response to what the other posts.
The way he hopped off my wagon when I thought I was going to be lynched, and I told town to look at the people trying to lynch me once my flip came out. I didn't have many strong reads that DP and I figured I had to use my role the first NP. They way he did it just felt skeevy to me - saying we didn't have enough people to switch wagons read like a copout, in retrospect it was probably just a blonde moment.
I'm hoping someone else has some results on those two.
I visited Luna just because half the town was speculating about him being scum and I figured scum might kill outside POE and didn't want to risk my target getting killed again. I also could not log onto this site on my fucking phone and didn't want to die with people having no idea who my target was. Luna is confirmed town. So his POE is accurate, Scum is between Thoth and Wryly,
Rex's claim seems solid, but a weak roleblocker still seems weird to me -- what use is it? -- and his whole "whiteflame is town confirmed! oh oopsy I didn't see he was already dead..." initially raised a red flag for me.
It's kind of a ghetto-ass cop. If I target someone and I live, they are town confirmed. If I manage to hit the NKer I can also stop it but will die in the process. If you guys can figure out who I visited on the night that I died, you can find scum.
Yeah tbh she just feels like cornered scum here, like she's genuinely frustrated at being caged in like this. I see her floating the idea that we're scumbuddies as an attempt to break out of the bind that she finds herself in, but it just feels forced - I don't recall Casey ever engaging in that kind of farfetched theorizing as town before, whereas Thoth did literally the same thing in the last game. As for the theory people floated that antagonists are scum - I mean it has the obvious problem that if all the town had 'good' characters then there would be a pretty wide outcry against people claiming scum characters. I personally town read you DP1 because you soft claimed an evil dude with your LOTR comment, and my guy(s)/gal(s) sure sounded evil (I have done literally zero theme research though. All my PM says is that they're dangerous assassin monsters who have killed important people and can be killed with wax. Doesn't sound very cuddly.)
I still think that Wryly had the most to gain from seeing Mikal dead if she were scum. But I think Casey has more to gain from offing whiteflame. She may have worried that he had an investigative role and she was high up his shitlist.
Hmm I was thinking that maybe Wryly would like Mikal dead if she was scum, because she hydra-d with him last game so she might be worried about him having insight into her play/reasoning, but an uncc'd doctor is pretty strong. Yeah, it's looking like a Casey lynch to me.
Hmm I was thinking that maybe Wryly would like Mikal dead if she was scum, because she hydra-d with him last game so she might be worried about him having insight into her play/reasoning, but an uncc'd doctor is pretty strong. Yeah, it's looking like a Casey lynch to me.
Hmm I was thinking that maybe Wryly would like Mikal dead if she was scum, because she hydra-d with him last game so she might be worried about him having insight into her play/reasoning, but an uncc'd doctor is pretty strong. Yeah, it's looking like a Casey lynch to me.
Of the people in POE, Thoth seems the least scummy to me. I'd be happy lynching between Casey and Wryly after doing ISOs on them. Casey also said she would be inactive this weekend. Casey seemed scummy to be me at the end of the DP. Wryly just seemed very noncommittal and shy but she's a noob so I'm null on her. Thoth to me read as generally the most town out of the three.
Unfortunately, the lack of a guarantee that 1 scum is in POE means you can't guarantee that other people in POE are town once you hit scum and handicaps town a lot, reducing the utility of the role.
Well I just realized that Whiteflame died so I guess I wasted that one.
Whiteflame is town confirmed. I am the Kalkara. I'm some kind of dangerous beast with a waxy skin that killed Lord Northolt and Lord Lorriac. I can be killed using my own hide (stabbed by wax I guess?). Because of my danger I am a 2x roleblocker, and because of my weak point which people have used to kill me I am a weak roleblocker - if I target scum I will die. I expected to die because I had somewhat of a scum read on Whiteflame last DP and targeted him, but the fact that I am alive means that he is town. I lied about my role being dangerous to visitors to avoid scum trying to redirect me or something. I hinted that I was targetting him by replying to him with my last message so if you saw the flip you would be able to figure out my target and that he was scum.
My original plan was to target Mikal if he lived to both stop him from hiding and to confirm him as town but if the choice was to save myself, who at least has some positive utility and can town confirm a player, and killing him, who was either scum or a town player with a negative utility role, I chose to save my own skin. I will use the other 1x at some point, but I won't say when because if scum have a redirector they can mislead us while also stealing my roleblock to hit a town player.
Gottem. Cya later, space cowboys.
VTL Mikal
We have Casey, Whiteflame, me, Castin, and Mharman
If I do get lynched, keep in mind that the people pushing hard for it are mislynching me after I claimed a quasi-investigative role DP1. I'd be surprised if scum was off the wagon.
I'd also like to point out that visiting me could be... dangerous for other people tonight. Only Mikal should visit me if you decide not to lynch me. There's a good chance I will be dead tomorrow anyway.
Some more soft claim for tomorrow - I am an exceedingly dangerous species of monster/animal.
Pie confirmed to me that my role works as would be expected.
You'll understand everything tomorrow if you see my flip, or if some kind of role madness bullshit happens and I somehow live I'll fullclaim next DP.
I'm phoneposting and don't have access to Discord, I sent you a question through this site if you haven't seen it.
If you force Mikal to target me I may be able to confirm his role. If we both die he was town. If only I die, he will be outed as scum. May be preferable to a lynch this DP, you will at least get some utility out of my role. I really don't want to disclose it because it will lose its utility and would even turn anti-town if scum know about it. But have Mikal target me tonight and at worst you lose your two scummiest town players with potentially shitty roles if scum target me with the NK to get two kills in one.
Still waiting on a reply on Pie as to whether this will work, but from what I understand about our roles it should.
