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Casey ISO

DP 1:

First DC Mafia game, let's go! 

I'm a little surprised you thought that tbh. My game is exactly the kind of game I was expecting. I'm a video game from the 80's.

I actually like this idea. Makes it harder for scum to plan around the Mason chats if they don't know what everyone else is doing.

Can you elaborate?

VTL stands for ‘vote to lynch’. You use it to indicate who you're voting for.

Welcome to your first Mafia game btw! What decade is your game from?

I agree. That read on REF feels a little ridiculous to me. I lean scum on Mhar already.

Btw, glad you decided to join us for a game! I haven't gotten to play Mafia with you before.

Brief thoughts while I'm on my break.

It's rare for me to have an early townread on Ragney, (actually, I'm not sure I've ever had an early TR on him), but in this case I do. His confusion about the Mason abilities comes off as genuine, and I like his thought process regarding how we use our Mason invitations. 

Mharman is a scum lean for reasons I've already mentioned.

Regarding Anonymous… Idk what's going on there. Claiming something from the 16th century is baffling. I can't imagine that he'd be told to claim that by a partner, but I also can't believe it's an accurate description of his character, unless Mikal just decided to be really weird about what characters he decided to include in this game. I don't think that's the explanation, however. Which leads me to believe that he's either fakeclaiming and doing a really terrible job of it, or just really, really confused about what's going on here. Not sure which one I believe more tbh.

Everyone else so far is pretty much null.

Eh, having played as many games with Pie as I have, I expect him to ask a question like that day 1. I don't think that's AI for him in particular.

I was going to say that it's weird that Wylted hasn't said anything yet, but I guess he's not in this one.

Not really sure how chess fits with Survivor? Agreed that it makes sense with Frogger though and does seem to be his actual role.

On this much, we are agreed. Well, he has broken his silence since you made that post, but not in a way which clarifies anything. 

Also, I'm from the 80's as I already said. 

Day one impression is that she was contributing and trying to scumhunt, and wasn't on the Icon lynch. Seems fairly town at this point. Moving on to DP 2.

Going to do a series of isos since we're so engrossed in going over roles and night actions that I feel like behavior is falling a bit by the wayside. Starting with Shining.

DP 1:

I'I'm from the 80s as well

I would suggest something like picking the person under you on the player list and the person on the bottom picks the top player on the list.

There was no thought process. There's probably no ideal plan, but so long town doesn't derp its way to mislynches, we'll be fine methinks.

Icon's claim is sus.

I'm fine with Icon as well. Not much to discuss tbh.

Note that Earth/Shining was not actually on the Icon mislynch.

DP 2:

Any insights? Did Lunatic reveal his character?

I picked WF.

Anyway, Whiteflame is town. I couldn't really get a good read on him on our mason DM and we haven't really been talking, but we did share our characters. I think if Whiteflame outed what Lu atics character is, then hes town. Although, he could still be scum.

Pie is probably town. I'll reread since DC is back.

Are notifications bugged? Everytime I click on them its brings me to the OP.

What was everyone's reason for masoning WF? I did it because WF is a soild town player and I wanted to have a private chat with him in the case of him being town, and maybe being able to sus him out if hes scum.

I really don't understand why you want my full claim and I read your ISO on me and nothing indicates I absolutely must full claim for you

Anyway, I am going to vote for RT. VTL RT

Did you miss my vote on RT?

VTL RT

DP 3:

I'm fine with this. Pie seems to have cooked up a plan, Rex needs to claim, but Ragnar and Casey particularly need to claim.

I am Legend of Zelda. Apparently I am Zelda as a whole because my two actions are "Lens of Truth" and "Master Sword" and neither of those are in the orginal Zelda. Lens of Truth allows me to Track who someone visited the previous night and Master Sword is a PGO I can invoke and any and all who visit me get wounded and die the next night. NP2, I targeted Rex and saw that he visited Pie NP1. I have yet to use my PGO.

I didn't use it NP1 because it just seemed like a terrible idea, and using it still seems bad.

I discussed this with WF, but there were a few candidates, but I settled on Rex because I still didn't get a good feel on him and my other choices were you (not a good pick for fairly obvious reasons) and casey. Its possible WF is fooling me, but I townread him, and Mhar was a gut town read for me.

I'll admit my claim is sketchy, but chew Mikal out for bastard modding. I have no idea why he didn't just make me OoT. Mikal said I am "Zelda as a whole", but it seems like I am the only person who is like that. My PM even has the release year in it, so what the fuck Mikal.

Even if you think my tracker role is a soft CC, my PGO isn't and Mharman's role directly confirms mine.

Well, this is my real claim. Do you think I am faking my claim, and if so, is it my character or role claim, or both? Secondly WF already touched on this, but I can hardly be considered a JOAT and there are already like 4 JOATs in play. You can say I am CCing Rex, but I'm town, so maybe Mikal just wanted an extra tracker *shrug*. WF is a much worse mafia player than he is as town, and I think if WF has endured 4 DPs of scrutiny and multiple Mason PMs, hes town. I masoned he because I wanted a PM with him.

I have to sus Pie for this DP. I'm not sure what it is, but his logic just seems poor this DP. No reads, and his logic about the JOAT claims are just poor.

I'm just mystified by the strong town reads. He noncommittally supported two mislynches, only voting for one. Absolute minimal contribution to scumhunting. His 'delayed tracker' result could have been a rolecop from a scum JOAT, then either him or a scum buddy thinking that I probably investigated my PM partner DP1. The main reason Whiteflame seems to townreading him, which he did in DP2 before the delayed tracker result, is due to him mentioning the 'injury' mechanic in his role? But if there is an injury mechanic it could be a scum ability that he would have knowledge of, so it's affiliation neutral. His is the only role claim which claims to be an entire series and not just one game in the series with a specific release date. I just see a whole bunch of scummy behavior and paper-thin role justification.

Going to do Casey next, then Ragnar and Supa/ST. Hoping to home in on one lynch candidate among my scum/lean/null pool.

Needless to say I am very salty about the lynch.

Tbh fair. You were acting scummy but I was also tunneling hard that DP.

Full claim

1x absorber. The justification is that in the game Space Invaders I'm always under attack from alien misses and have temporary shields that can absorb some shots before collapsing.

This shot was used on NP2 on Pie.

So you absorbed a role NP1 and then used that role on Pie? Is the absorption 1x, or is using the abilities you absorb 1x?

Was it a protective role?

Full claim

1x absorber. The justification is that in the game Space Invaders I'm always under attack from alien misses and have temporary shields that can absorb some shots before collapsing.

This shot was used on NP2 on Pie.

So you absorbed a role NP1 and then used that role on Pie? Is the absorption 1x, or is using the abilities you absorb 1x?

Was it a protective role?

Assuming that’s true, you would also have to believe that the scum among us either chose not to use that information NP2 or was unable to use it. As far as I can tell, the latter requires you to believe Ragnar is scum and Casey is telling the truth (fair enough if you do, I guess), and the former requires you to believe that scum would actively choose not to put us in MYLO this DP despite the obvious opportunity to do so.

Thinking about Casey from a 'Casey is scum perspective', why would she claim to be roleblocked if she was scum? Her claim seems crafted, if it is a fake claim, to explain away rolebocking visits as also having an additional fake 'protection' utility that would always appear to be real because scum would just NK someone else. Why claim she was roleblocked, which just raises additional suspicions? Why not just claim to be vanilla or something if you were going to do that?

At least from my interactions with him, I don’t buy that he big brained this and just figured you out. He seemed very set on Pie at first and changed his mind while we discussed it. I also think it was a massive risk to give me his result before even learning what your role was. I think you’re assuming a lot. I also think it’s doubly odd that, finding out that you were a Tracker NP2, he would then proceed or his scum partner to kill Mharman rather than kill the obvious investigative role.

Was info about Mharman's role known NP3? It seems like there was some kind of plan that multiple people knew about - if one person in that circle was scum then they might know that he had some manner of protective role. If they knew that and also knew that Mharman didn't know that they knew, then that would be the ideal time to NK him. I don't really know Earth/Shining's level of acumen, having never played with him before, but if he is scum then he's on a team with other people who could have told him what to tell you regarding my night action and helped him to craft a fake claim. Maybe he's not up to the task of figuring it out himself as you seem to be implying (I personally don't know the guy), but if he had a competent scum team/partner he wouldn't need to.

Earth also kind of hopped on my retard wagon DP2 wordlessly, just sheeping me, which after the flip always struck me as a bit sus. The main thing that makes me scumread Supa less (even though his severe inactivity reaaaaally has me side-eying him) is that Supa actually argued against the RT lynch and tried to derail it. If I was scum and I knew that Rex was town and that RT was telling the truth about his role I would sheep if I needed to, to make the lynch go through while avoiding as much blame as possible.

I will have a lot more time to go over the other DPs on Monday, just got caught up on this DP. Off the cuff reads are:

Whiteflame: Town

Pie: Town

Ragnar: Null

Casey: Lean Scum

Supa: Lean Scum

Earth: Scum

I think Pie's arguments for Shining/Earth make a lot of sense. The Lens of Truth makes sense as a rolecop or a cop, less sense as tracker or watcher or something along those lines. It also seems bizarre to have a tracker and a 1x delayed tracker in the same game. Also seems bizarre to have a PGO and a Beloved Princess - seems absurdly swingy. I'm also less convinced by his results on me. I said something in DP2 iirc that I now trust pie and that he's my top townread so I disclosed my role to him. Earth could have easily surmised from that post that I had an investigative role and had used it on Pie DP1 - plus I think that investigating your mason partner if you have an investigative role is kind of a no-brainer. If Earth did rolecop me DP2 it would be even less of a huge stretch once he knew that I was a tracker to claim that he saw me visit Pie DP1.

I will have a lot more time to go over the other DPs on Monday, just got caught up on this DP. Off the cuff reads are:

Whiteflame: Town

Pie: Town

Ragnar: Null

Casey: Lean Scum

Supa: Lean Scum

Earth: Scum

I think Pie's arguments for Shining/Earth make a lot of sense. The Lens of Truth makes sense as a rolecop or a cop, less sense as tracker or watcher or something along those lines. It also seems bizarre to have a tracker and a 1x delayed tracker in the same game. Also seems bizarre to have a PGO and a Beloved Princess - seems absurdly swingy. I'm also less convinced by his results on me. I said something in DP2 iirc that I now trust pie and that he's my top townread so I disclosed my role to him. Earth could have easily surmised from that post that I had an investigative role and had used it on Pie DP1 - plus I think that investigating your mason partner if you have an investigative role is kind of a no-brainer. If Earth did rolecop me DP2 it would be even less of a huge stretch once he knew that I was a tracker to claim that he saw me visit Pie DP1.

I've been up working late and need to get up early, but I should be able to post more tomorrow afternoon. I am the tracker. NP1 I tracked Pie and he didn't move. NP2 I tracked Earth to myself. NP3 I tracked Mharman to myself. My game is Duckhunt, sort of obvious role justification.

Have you ever heard of hyperbole? I said that precisely because it's absurd because I'm THAT sure you're scum, because I know I'm town, I'm like 98% sure Pie is town, and nobody hopped on your wagon for days with only us two on it after you claimed that if your lynched it will give scum a free extra NK. Instead, there have been multiple attempts to derail the lynch. This is not a mislynch wagon. This does not have mislynch wagon vibes AT ALL.

My timestamp: 7/26/25, 16:28 PM

So Pie and I are the scum team? We picked one another for Mason buddies? And Pie is a popular mafioso? That's a pretty hard sell imo. We're the ones who have been pushing this lynch from the beginning of the DP, before you even claimed.

Send Pie your claim so we can actually lynch scum. There's only a couple hours left in the DP.

Just have Casey claim to Pie and have him confirm it. What if she's Doc or Cop? Why on earth would you want a public claim when we can use the Mason PMs?

I already claimed to Pie because I trusted him after his role was confirmed. I did it hours ago.

IF RT IS TOWN, WE LOSE THE GSME ON THE SPOT.

I don't think that's necessarily true.

IF YOU HAVEN’T FULLCLAIMED TO YOUR MASON PARTNER, DO IT NOW PLEASE

PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS. If one scum knows your claim, they all do, and if your partner is scum (one person in the chain is) you are just outing your role to scum. My plan requires you to keep your role to yourself and only pass results down the chain to Whiteflame, which will remain anonymized once they pass the original recipient.

Only do this if you are in a PM with Whiteflame and not anyone else, and have results to pass, as he will know anyway.

Why not just go for a character claim?

Do we need Casey's claim today? If we do the Whiteflame plan we can keep all the power roles hidden, at least till tomorrow, and still get results.

Luna said 13 hours at 8:20. That would make DP end at 9:20. You're saying 8 hours now, that would make DP end at midnight. Which is correct?

I'm so sure he's scum that I don't care if someone POEs us together as long as we lynch him today. I just want you to ask yourself: he has been the main lynch target ALL DAY. According to him, he has a role where lynching him gives scum an extra NP. If he is town, scum knows that this is true. If he is town, why is scum not trying HARD to lynch him? Do you think Pie and I are both the scum team? And that we're in a mason PM together? That's the ONLY way this makes sense. So I don't understand why NOBODY will vote him with a few hours left in the DP. Some of y'all are town, supposedly. Please. Make the case why he isn't scum if your vote isn't on him.

RT and Rex, so ideally one of them should be the choice today imo.

I'm fine with that. Vote RT. If he's town, then lynch me next DP.

Mason PMs for reference. Was thinking about a way to possibly pass role results to Whiteflame through mason PMS this NP so that he can report them in anonymized fashion. This would give mafia limited info on power roles and their location - information which would reveal them if they acted on it as their position in the chain would give them out. For example, if Earth is the cop and he is suddenly NKd we will FOS Whiteflame, as he is the one who would know. If Casey were the cop and he was NKd then Ragnar would be under suspicion, as Whiteflame would know that cop was among Ragnar, Casey, Pie, and I. Pie and I would have no idea, and Ragnar would know that cop was between me and Casey. If anyone messes with the info in transit it should be easy to find out who they are. If Whiteflame lies in his report the person could call him out on it. This way we could get and analyze results without actually outing any power roles to all players.

I think we should do this after we get back results tonight. First thing after the NP ends, wait for anonymized results from those further down the chain. Once you have them, add them and pass them towards WF. Then WF can post all the results in an anonymized tracker.

So lets assume, absurdly, that everyone is a cop. Here's how it would work:

Ref to Pie: I investigated Ragnar and found him guilty.

Pie to Casey, if Pie investigated Supa, once he receives REF's message:

Cop results:

Ragnar, Guilty

Supa, Innocent

Casey to Ragnar, if Casey investigated Earth, once he(she? not sure) receives Pie's message:

Ragnar, Guilty

Supa, Innocent

Earth, Innocent

Then Ragnar adds his own results and forwards them to Whiteflame. The three other people in PMs can also send their results to Whiteflame. Then, in the beginning of next DP, Whiteflame posts all the results anonymized. So, dropping the 'everyone is a cop assumption', it would look like this:

Cop: Supa innocent.

Tracker: REF visited Ragnar

Watcher: Ragnar was visited by REF

If an investigative role's results would out another power role Whiteflame should redact that info at his discretion. If the person whose result was redacted thinks that fuckery is going on, they should claim and call it out. If any results are incorrect, we can use PoE to figure out who meddled with them.

You should also forward along your NP1 results as well.

Does anyone aside from RT have a reason for pushing Rex at this point? And if we don’t have one, what aside from the potential that he is the Beloved Princess is holding everyone back from pursuing the RT lynch?

The fact that PIe and I are the only ones on the wagon just makes me scum read him all the more. He's the top lynch target, if he was town lynching him would gain scum another free NP. If he were town, scum would know that he was town. They could push his lynch and then ML me and pie for throwing the game by giving scum and extra NP. So where are the scum on this wagon?

Current Game:

Mikal - Open DM Concept- You Choose

Sign-ups:

None

In the Hopper:

Casey Risk - Deltarune Mafia 

iLikePie5 

Savant 

Lunatic

AnonymousIcon

RationalTheist 

REF - Suikoden Mafia

On Hold:

Wylted - Lulsec

im going to analyze this post more when I get home but holy crap this is one of the scummiest posts I think I’ve ever read. Let’s break this down.

OMGUS

I didn’t vote for him in case he was town - This reeks of a wolf who was trying not to be on the lynch wagon

WIFOM

DP1 is a clusterfuck - this is literally trying to minimize the day 1 value.

What 'value'? This is a bog-standard assessment of the 'value' of DP1. Obvious scumslips are rare, mislynches are common.

I’m gonna focus my attention on Rex when I get home

You're starting to flail a bit. Worried?

#158 is very towny. I don't agree with the section about Icon because he had the chance to fight the Icon lynch more, but the other things show good effort... for only one post

My stance on DP1 is that it's always a clusterfuck, you generate activity, shoot in the dark, hope you hit scum but know that you probably won't. Then you reanalyze DP1 in light of the flip(s) and start to scumhunt in earnest. Icon looked like he was going to be the lynch regardless and I didn't see a better option. It was more of a joke to say that he was just acting retarded - acting retarded is still a good way to get yourself killed DP1, and even if he was town he obviously wasn't going to be much use for the rest of the game. Main reason that I didn't vote him is because in the even that he was town scum would probably be on that wagon since it was such an 'understandable' mislynch and I didn't want to deprive one scum player of the opportunity to hop on by doing so myself. The only better option would be to hit scum DP1, which usually isn't on the menu.

Mason PMs for reference. Was thinking about a way to possibly pass role results to Whiteflame through mason PMS this NP so that he can report them in anonymized fashion. This would give mafia limited info on power roles and their location - information which would reveal them if they acted on it as their position in the chain would give them out. For example, if Earth is the cop and he is suddenly NKd we will FOS Whiteflame, as he is the one who would know. If Casey were the cop and he was NKd then Ragnar would be under suspicion, as Whiteflame would know that cop was among Ragnar, Casey, Pie, and I. Pie and I would have no idea, and Ragnar would know that cop was between me and Casey. If anyone messes with the info in transit it should be easy to find out who they are. If Whiteflame lies in his report the person could call him out on it. This way we could get and analyze results without actually outing any power roles to all players.

Put your vote on RT.