RexFavilla

Mikal wrote:

Okay have to out this

Exactly one of the vanillas is scum.

Mod oversight is there are accidental mod confirmed townie. If we assume there is no shot mafia picked 5 as an option. Then 5 must be true. If 5 must me true at least 2 vanillas are modlocked

One scum between

Rex

Ultra

Wylted

Pick your poision.

This makes zero sense. All 5 says is that there is more than one Vanilla. That could be three vanillas it could be four. It means that two vanillas are guaranteed to be town, it does not mean that the third is guaranteed to be scum.

VTL: Ultracrepidarian

Wryly wrote:

Surely Rex is just Jews then. Hard to believe they'd be left out of Stereotype Mafia

Jews must be scum. I'm Canadians. I'm friendly (not true, Canadians are fake nice) and have a bunch of goofy stereotypes about mooses and lumberjacks (when in reality Canadians are just insufferable, bargain bin Americans with a huge inferiority complex).

VTL Ultra

I'm vanilla and my PM also has the voice bit in it.

What's the voice thing? Did someone claim it was/wasn't in their pm?

Helz wrote:

Wryly wrote:

Helz wrote:

Logically- If I was scum saying "I have a confirmable role" and it was not true it would be when we were in MYLO or LYLO right?

There is no reason for scum to do it now. This should speak volumes.

It wouldn't be worth jack shit at MYLO but someone might be willing to fall for it the day before MYLO

Sure. But tomorrow I would die. MYLO or not. I either prove myself or I die right?

Maybe you have a role you need to use once more. Maybe you need a mislynch today. Maybe you can manipulate results somehow that sets up a wifom shitshow tomorrow that let's you wiggle out of it. There are reasons to do this.

MeowMix wrote:

Oh actually there was one last thing I wanted to say. @Kohai or whoever is working on the site is doing some great things and I'm seeing it on mobile. ..But please god let me see post counts and double-ISO.

Anyway carry on. Vote Wylted etc. etc.

You can double iso or even triple or more. Once you iso the player name and thread drop downs both have checkboxes where you can customize the iso. I was using this to look at DP1 interactions.

whiteflame wrote:

I'm trying to skim through the last few pages to understand what is happening.

Are we seriously at a point where the disagreement is just over what order Helz and Pie should claim in? Can someone just summarize why there's a problem with claiming together at the same time beyond ego and annoyance?

Helz is pulling the 'my role is conformable' card on Pie. Its kind of funny actually.

Helz wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Oops accidebtaly hit post.

Just wanted to emphasize that I'm voting to lynch, don't want you to claim. I'm down to lynch you or Mikal today so I'll switch to him if there's enough support.

Not even re-thinking that given me revealing I am 100% confirmable town?

Sorry tomorrow might be Mylo and it could be a gambit. It did tilt ne more towards Mikal though. What's your read on Mikal right now?

I do still think there is scum in Mikal/Helz.

MeowMix wrote:

VTL: wylted

Last chance. Chugga chugga

Wylted is also a better choice than retardedly lynching someone just because they won't participate in a mass claim.

Oops accidebtaly hit post.

Just wanted to emphasize that I'm voting to lynch, don't want you to claim. I'm down to lynch you or Mikal today so I'll switch to him if there's enough support.

Helz wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Here’s a question. If you’re claiming a confirmable role, what would you willingly want to claim. If he was willing to claim his character before when not many people have claimed, why not now.

Im still totally willing to claim. I just want you to claim first

Do you think my Banana argument holds water? I found only two players who stated 'I win with the town', a statement she could lie detect. Mikal and Helz. Don't you think that's pretty damning? That she only had two targets to lie detect and so they were highly motivated to kill her because one or both could be scum? Why kill her so early otherwise when she was widely scumread DP1?

Wryly wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Wryly wrote:

I explained why I was willing to do it in #338. I am willing to feel stupid for doing it if you can tell me why it was a bad idea.

Scum is equipped to know whether it is a bad idea or not. We are in the dark as town. Do you trust Mikal? Do you town lock him? I think he's scum, so I think he's pushing it because it's antitown.

I neither trust or town lock him, but we are approaching a deadline and have made little progress.

We've made zero progress because a whole day was wasted pressuring every single town player to claim for no discernable reason. Does that seem pro-town to you?

Wryly wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Town really has to stop rolling over and letting Mikal snowball effect them into whatever he wants as scum. Even if 20% of each page is his posts, he still only has one vote. Lynch me and lose if you want, I'm not cooperating with a mass claim lead by my top scum read which nobody else can even articulate a good reason for doing.

I explained why I was willing to do it in #338. I am willing to feel stupid for doing it if you can tell me why it was a bad idea.

Scum is equipped to know whether it is a bad idea or not. We are in the dark as town. Do you trust Mikal? Do you town lock him? I think he's scum, so I think he's pushing it because it's antitown.

whiteflame wrote:

I'm fine with pushing Rex for a character claim to start and for some reads. I get not wanting to follow Mikal's lead, but at this point, being frustrated about it doesn't help us come to a decision and we don't have enough behavioral information from him to work from.

VTL: RexFavilla

I'll give my reads, but I'm not claiming on principle. If you want to lynch me over that you can lose the game. But I don't subscribe to the idea that getting three players to start a snowball mass claim, bullying two more to claim, and then using that as pressure to force it through one player at a time is play that demands cooperation from every town player. I'd also support Helz not claiming. I've claimed before when I saw a pro town reason to do so. I see zero reason to do so here.

1. Ultra

Lean scum at this point. He feels similar to Mikal - boneless and opportunistic. I've been giving him time but I've seen zero sincere scumhunting from him.

2. MeowMix (Magoroth)

Lean town. I mostly asked for his read on Helz because he's the only player that Meow has experience with and it's difficult to gauge a player I don't know. I liked his response.

3. Rex

Painfully obvious town.

4. Whiteflame

Slight lean town. I think his arguments on Mikal hold water, I've liked his reasoning. But he's capable of faking that so it's hard for me to town read him further.

5.Thoth

Lean scum. I saw something in DP1 that made me suspect he and Mikal could be scum team distancing. I asked him directly for his thoughts on Mikal and he ghosted the question. This made me scum read both him and Mikal more. His claim can be tested today, but until it is I'm doubtful. Even if it is, it's a role that could be TP.

6. Pie

Null. He has done literally nothing but push for claims for a while now. It's bizarre play from him, feels completely devoid of scumhunting. But he also claims to be busy, not sure if he's just lending his weight to another player cause he doesn't have time or coasting along as scum.

7.Mikal

Scum. His play heavily reminds me of last game. Attempting to strongarm town into antitown play, sheeping other player's reasoning, and scumhunting that just feels weak and flacid. Giving me big ick.

8.Wryly

Town. She just feels town, like she's trying to figure out the game and find cracks in the setup.

9.Helz

Null. Was town reading Helz but him going along with the mass claim pressure given his stated philosophy on the matter strikes me as opportunistic and highly out of character.

10.Wylted (Casey)

Null. I have difficulty reading Wylted and only having pretty much one DP to go on doesn't help.

To go along with my statement about Banana, here is a list of players who stated their wincon last DP who could have been scum worried about being lie detected and so killed her over it:

Mikal

Helz

I was surprised to find only two who actually posted it using ctrl + f on each page. I think we should lynch between these two, and at this point I think both might be scum. Helz especially because he tried to downplay my observation about this without addressing the actual argument at all.

VTL: Helz

VTL: Mikal

At best the mass claim is an attempt to fill up the DP with something thats useless to town. At worse, its straight up antitown as Luna as a mod likes to encourage behavioral analysis. I could definitely see him inserting a scum role that becomes more potent if they know a player's character.

Town really has to stop rolling over and letting Mikal snowball effect them into whatever he wants as scum. Even if 20% of each page is his posts, he still only has one vote. Lynch me and lose if you want, I'm not cooperating with a mass claim lead by my top scum read which nobody else can even articulate a good reason for doing.

Because if one wasn't worried, why kill Banana NP1 when she was a decent mislynch target through a TMI argument?

Wryly wrote:

We're wasting too much time on Ultra and should pursue other avenues of inquiry. I doubt he's gonna give us anything more to work with; we can just mark him down as the default lynch this DP if you guys like and move on. Lynching a vanilla isn't a huge loss but a mislynch this DP could put us at 5-3-1.

Helz - So far the strongest case against him is that he asked Lunatic some proactive questions and treated Mech 1 as "certain" instead of "very probable"? I'm not seeing it. He's null for now, with one caveat: he did catch Kohai's slip. That has my attention since scum probably read DP1 #466 with delight. But since town were as likely to want to focus on that slip as scum, that's a wash.

Pie - Hammered the second nail in Kohai's coffin (Kohai himself would hammer in the third, fourth, and fifth nails) but again, Pie would be as motivated to do that as town as he would be as scum. Another detail that's sticking with me is that Pie went out of his way to signal that he was a feminist character pretty early on in DP1, which is completely unlike him in my experience. He's only ever willing to commit to vague, broad soft claims, and only if everyone else is doing it.

whiteflame - Eternally null. Softed early, says he has good reason to. I originally was suspicious of everyone who softed early because if Mech 3 was the lie then scum have incentive to soft early; with doubt cast on whether there is a theme split, straight soft claiming early is a no-risk, moderate-reward tactic. But I can't put all my eggs in the "mech 3 was the lie" basket.

wylted - I'm not gonna push him for an inactivity claim when he's been active since he took over the slot. Only thing against him is he jumped on the Kohai wagon late. Being trigger-happy is NAI for him. Null.

Meowmix - New guy is hard to read but I'm eyeballing him.

Rex - Hasn't been active enough. Paranoia making me question if the Pie/Rex "Really, would you like to try again?" reaction test was mere theater, but paranoia be like that.

Mikal - He put the squeeze on Kohai even before the slip and Kohai is just an easy target for scum to squeeze. Kept us all talking about all that OOG shit with Kohai and Thoth's complaints way too long, which is something he would definitely do as scum to keep town spinning its wheels. Even posted what looked like a direct quote from his DM with Luna, although Luna told me it was not a direct copy & paste. He did answer Banana's question and hard stated he wins with the town, which indicates he's either town or scum decided she would die tonight then and there. I don't buy scum!Mikal not being wary of a Lie Detector there.

Thoth - Dodged Banana's "do you win with town" question, has been coasting a lil bit, hopped on Kohai's wagon late. I'd be okay with applying pressure to this slot.

This just made me realized that there's guaranteed to be scum among people who posted their wincon. Scum had to have realized she was fishing for LD statements, there's no other reason to kill her. And one of them had to have been worried about being investigated - and she would only be targeting the statements she fished out through the LD wincon shit. My guess is that one of the scum she pressured to state their wincons panicked and posted it before the rest of the scum team caught on to what she was doing

What's your read on Helz right now?

Wryly really does feel town to me. She feels like she's invested in figuring out mech info and modpsych. Could she be faking it? Maybe. But my gut says she isn't.

What are your feelings on Mikal?

VTL Helz

Good job, you passed the reaction test. Who do you want to pursue?

To be honest I don't have any strong leads. I will have more time to fully reread DP1 tomorrow but from the skimming I've done nothing sticks out. Kohai spectacularly self-immolating made DP1 very muddy. I can't fault anyone from being on his wagon. I also can't fault anyone for being confused by his behavior. The person whose behavior I found most weird is Banana and that bitch is dead.

wylted wrote:

You deserve the unemphathetic low IQ hatian nurse in charge of caring for you while your family leaves your selfish ass to die alone in a nursing home

I hope the private-equity owned nursing homes cheap out on the wiring so in every room there are no free outlets. I want the boomers to die when a Guatemalan nurse unplugs their life support to charge her phone.

ILikePie5 wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

wylted wrote:

Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior

TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.

I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.

So, I’ll ask the question. What did you do last night?

Nothing.

Really? Would you like to try again?

No, I did nothing.

Wryly wrote:

I can't believe Kohai was innocent. Where did the number three pop into his head from? Why tf did he change his story? It's like he was trying to get lynched.

Yeah, I actually got paranoid he was a jester at the end. WTF was that. Sure, it's a terrible role to be given but he put shit sprinkles on top of a shit sundae.

Ultracrepidarian wrote:

Someone explain to me why were making Wylted full claim

Yeah I agree, forcing someone to claim just because they replaced into an AWOL slot doesn't make any sense.

In light of the flip and the NK, who do you think are scum now?

ILikePie5 wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

wylted wrote:

Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior

TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.

I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.

So, I’ll ask the question. What did you do last night?

Nothing.