RexFavilla

If Ultra was town Meow would have hammered him.

Helz wrote:

I have not said I think Meow is town and you are scum. I have simply said your in a 1v1

Can you unpack what you see as a situation where ultra is town?

I think hes scum flat out. Meow is guaranteed scum. Him derailing the Ultra lynch draws suspicion to him - I can see a town player being wrong and doing that. I can't see a scum player doing that unless Ultra is his scummate. Scum let's scummy town get lynched nine times out of ten. When they do try and save scummy and buddy them its when the player is active and will be an pocketable asset. That's not Ultra, to put it lightly. He also isnt lying and claiming to have LDed Ultra's claim.This is by far the more sensible option for his second LD target. The Whiteflame one is laughably bad. The only reason to not make that lie is if Ultra is your scummate, because then Meow's guilty flip would indict Ultra instead of preserving ambiguity in the event he loses the 1v1. From my perspective there is pretty much no way Ultra is town. That possibility vanished when Meow came out with his fake LD gambit and confirmed himself as scum due to the role's imperviousness to manipulation.

Also if we were scum and Wryly was lying about stopping the NK why on earth do that? If we are scum and tried to kill Mikal we know that the NK was not stopped by Wryly's commute because we chose the NK target. Why come out with a fake claim like that and risk a CC if we know for a fact there is another explanation that will come forth and negate any towncred?

If the idea is that Wryly and I are scum and Ultra is town (Helz saying if Meow is town Ultra has to be town) why on earth would we kill Mikal? He's by far the weakest link among the PM clique in this 'Rex is scum' feverdream that you're spinning up. Trying to drive a mislynch on Pie or WF this DP would be a huge uphill battle. They had both expressed reservations about Mikal and were at least a little ammenable to lynching him. The PM is objectively not a threat to scum seeing how it hasn't succesfully pushed one correct lynch in the whole game. If Ultra is town he's clearly the only better mislynch target than Mikal. We both scumread Ultra, but whom did I push? Mikal. Not Ultra. It makes no sense for us to kill Mikal. However, if I am town it makes all the sense in the world to kill Wryly.

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'I'm vanilla'

Crystal-clear LDable statement.

Helz wrote:

I really do not want to resolve Ultra. Im just frustrated that we at some point are going to bet the entire game on a coin toss which is bullshit. Its just a question of when and if we are going to pick heads or tails which really fucking sucks.

It's almost like Ultra's role claim was a much better LD target than confirming a townread's character claim. Weird. What a missed opportunity for a purported LD. Its almost like said LD, who also derailed the lynch of said coinflip inactive after he botched his vanilla claim, would indict his scummate if he claimed to have cleared him and then flipped scum.

So odd, how all the decisions of this supposed LD align perfectly with scum play and make zero sense from a town perspective.

Helz wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

I love that Mikal's killer theory is that 2/3 of the scum team were opposing the disastrous mislynch spanning two DPs that will likely cost town the game if they're dumb enough to mislynch me today. Its kind of poetic in a way - should town believe that town has been this retarded without help from the scum team and therefore continue to be retarded and lose the game?

But in his defense the only way out of this is to posit a me/wryly scum team. Personally if I were him I would have bussed and played the long game.

It is interesting that you do not include yourself in the group when you refer to the town.

Considering the 'town' in this context are the town players I'm trying to convince not to lynch me, not really. I'm not Kohai, I don't need to expended mental energy convincing myself that I'm town. How would I be included in the 'they' of players I'm trying to convince to whom all my posts have been addressed? I'm not schizophrenic.

I also do view myself and Wryly as alienated and distinct from the rest of town this game. I feel like we've both been trying to engage and hunt scum while most of them have been huddled in their PM doing God knows what while we mislynch and no lynch our way to MYLO. Constantly trying to build a counterwagon and interrogate people last DP only to be told to shut up and lynch Wylted, who turned out to be town, has left a sour taste in my mouth.

ILikePie5 wrote:

You said this in DP1:

Please kill me. The people I received a rolecard for do not deserve to exist.

Can you explain this?

Canada is a fake country, and Canadians can't cope with this. This is why they are some of the most insufferable people in the world. Because their country has no real accomplishments to be proud of, and they are dwarfed in stature by their much cooler neighbor to the south, they are like the annoying gay little brother that never got over big bro being cooler than them, and are still trying to one-up them in front of Mom when they're in their mid 40s.

Being unable to excel at literally anything, the only metric of superiority that they pursue is becoming slightly more libtarded than the American ruling class and then endlessly crowing about it. The Canadian will preen about how morally superior his government is even as they shove him into a MAID death coffin because he tried to use his government healthcare to spend $2,000 dollars on a prescription. They also are incredibly impressed by their tacky pseudo-French creole. A loathsome people through and through with a completely unearned reputation for politeness. We should invade them and force them into re-education gulags on Ellesmere Island.

So yeah, you pretended Pie helped you 'discover' your retarded theory that you were going to use to mislynch vanillas and when he appeared he basically said 'yeah this was 100% your idea and I agree with everyone calling it retarded'

Mikal wrote:

If you point to one part they have contradicted me. Ill copy and paste from the chat and show you otherwise.

Later on, multiple people pointed out that this was retarded. When Pie finally popped in, this is what he said:

Wryly wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Wryly wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

It confirms WF. Does zero to confirm you or Pie. If either you or Pie lied to sus whiteflame the other would call you out. I town read Pie at this point off of behavior and I scum read you for the same reason. On such behavior is constantly pretending to be more confirmed than you are and using the Mason PM to add the weight of WF and Pie to your pronouncements only to have them come out and contradict you later. In this case we have you pushing for Wryly's full claim when the flip will clear her. Only scum motivation to do that. Only scum motivation to do literally anything you've done this ganem

Do you mean you townread WF off of behavior?

No I think his behavior is scummy but I know Meow is scum and all three Mason members can't also be scum so he must be town.

I thought so for much of the game but his MeowMix interrogation looked legit. Pie and Mikal just went radio silent.

Yeah I think Pie is just offline but Mikal has clearly adopted the strategy of gaslighting two of the better players in their PM. The game hinges on whether they can come and engage with the game and decide correctly. If they don't I'm going to make it a policy to force both of them to kill any PM partners moving forward because they can apparently be bamboozled out of seeing the most painfully obvious pattern of scum behavior imaginable for two DPs running.

Or wait this is a long shot. Are you actually the Mason and have been lying about it?

Wryly wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

It confirms WF. Does zero to confirm you or Pie. If either you or Pie lied to sus whiteflame the other would call you out. I town read Pie at this point off of behavior and I scum read you for the same reason. On such behavior is constantly pretending to be more confirmed than you are and using the Mason PM to add the weight of WF and Pie to your pronouncements only to have them come out and contradict you later. In this case we have you pushing for Wryly's full claim when the flip will clear her. Only scum motivation to do that. Only scum motivation to do literally anything you've done this ganem

Do you mean you townread WF off of behavior?

No I think his behavior is scummy but I know Meow is scum and all three Mason members can't also be scum so he must be town.

Wryly wrote:

Things would've gone a lot better for town here if wylted and Kohai hadn't shit the bed. Kohai with that random fucking "they got a list of three choices", wylted raving about hidden Jews and then freaking out at Helz's town confirmation. Fml.

I shouldn't have let Mikal's unending torrent of tantrum-throwing get to me so much last DP. Just the incessant goddamn "this is aids", "you are retarded", "omg ur making this game unbearabullllllll". Jesus christ what an earsore.

Hes scum. If scum act like that it means you're beating them. Its a good thing.

Mikal wrote:

This is verified by 2 fucking people. Nice try

I accepted wfs action

As did pie

So unless you are calling me pie wf and meow scum. Not even aure what you are saying lol.

Wf is a verified doctor.

So unless all 3 of us are lying good fucking luck lol

Have no idea if meow is town but he was spamming about your wincon last dayphase. That claim is also convenient

But castin literally bullshitted about quitting the game. Has a shitty role to explain a nk on herself mind you when wf is verified by both pie and myself. And masons said shes a character cop when a lie detector can already check win cons and characters lmfao and that role already flipped.

Poe

Ultra

Castin

Rex

2 there scum or tp or something

Last is meow or pie

And pie is saying hes about to cc her as well

Shit is hilarious.

It confirms WF. Does zero to confirm you or Pie. If either you or Pie lied to sus whiteflame the other would call you out. I town read Pie at this point off of behavior and I scum read you for the same reason. On such behavior is constantly pretending to be more confirmed than you are and using the Mason PM to add the weight of WF and Pie to your pronouncements only to have them come out and contradict you later. In this case we have you pushing for Wryly's full claim when the flip will clear her. Only scum motivation to do that. Only scum motivation to do literally anything you've done this ganem

I love that Mikal's killer theory is that 2/3 of the scum team were opposing the disastrous mislynch spanning two DPs that will likely cost town the game if they're dumb enough to mislynch me today. Its kind of poetic in a way - should town believe that town has been this retarded without help from the scum team and therefore continue to be retarded and lose the game?

But in his defense the only way out of this is to posit a me/wryly scum team. Personally if I were him I would have bussed and played the long game.

Well that solves the third scum.

There were go

VTL: MeowMix

MeowMix wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Wryly wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Which means you're guaranteed scum and lying. If town isn't retarded this at least gives us a sure kill today.

You aren't even asking me what I lie detected from you dude. You're just squirming.

Wouldn’t you have had two uses? Banana died NP1. You should have gotten two NPs with the role.

You are correct. And you are also correct as to why it doesn't matter.

So then your NP2 target is dead. Who was it?

Going to have to insist on an answer. You had a second target. The results may not matter, but your choice does. Who was it and why did you pick them?

God damn I thought you could pick up context clues better than this. Who indeed whiteflame.

So then the obvious question: why pick me?

You, who were one of his top townreads.

Pretty sure WF didn't even post a straight-up wincon to lie detected either. So he chose a subpar LD statement of a townread - like a role or action check. Lmao.

Well, uh yeah I'm a little retarded. But how do you know that?

Because my whole argument for lynching Mikal was based on LDable statements so I already combed through the game looking for them. Almost like I'm town trying to catch scum or something. Weird.

You are literally fucking stating that I'm a lie detector in the thing you quoted.

I know it's difficult, but we're acting under the hypothetical situation where you are a lie detector to argue why your claimed second target makes no sense. That's why it's an argument that you aren't a lie detector. A real lie detector would have chosen a better option.

MeowMix wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Wryly wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Which means you're guaranteed scum and lying. If town isn't retarded this at least gives us a sure kill today.

You aren't even asking me what I lie detected from you dude. You're just squirming.

Wouldn’t you have had two uses? Banana died NP1. You should have gotten two NPs with the role.

You are correct. And you are also correct as to why it doesn't matter.

So then your NP2 target is dead. Who was it?

Going to have to insist on an answer. You had a second target. The results may not matter, but your choice does. Who was it and why did you pick them?

God damn I thought you could pick up context clues better than this. Who indeed whiteflame.

So then the obvious question: why pick me?

You, who were one of his top townreads.

Pretty sure WF didn't even post a straight-up wincon to lie detected either. So he chose a subpar LD statement of a townread - like a role or action check. Lmao.

Well, uh yeah I'm a little retarded. But how do you know that?

Because my whole argument for lynching Mikal was based on LDable statements so I already combed through the game looking for them. Almost like I'm town trying to catch scum or something. Weird.

Wryly wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Which means you're guaranteed scum and lying. If town isn't retarded this at least gives us a sure kill today.

You aren't even asking me what I lie detected from you dude. You're just squirming.

Wouldn’t you have had two uses? Banana died NP1. You should have gotten two NPs with the role.

You are correct. And you are also correct as to why it doesn't matter.

So then your NP2 target is dead. Who was it?

Going to have to insist on an answer. You had a second target. The results may not matter, but your choice does. Who was it and why did you pick them?

God damn I thought you could pick up context clues better than this. Who indeed whiteflame.

So then the obvious question: why pick me?

You, who were one of his top townreads.

Pretty sure WF didn't even post a straight-up wincon to lie detected either. So he chose a subpar LD statement of a townread - like a role or action check. Lmao.

Interesting if he's trying to buddy WF now by claiming it was him - I wonder how furiously he's digging through that ISO for a LDable statement?

This is why he's stalling on his second supposed target: he cant town confirm wryly to buddy her because she just cleared my character. He just shaded Mikal as scum saying I was 'distancing' from a scummate last DP when he was my main target. This one has kind of interesting implications that I'm chewing over. He can't claimed he checked Wylted cause he mislynched him. The only other target is Helz which would seem like a supremely lazy lie.

MeowMix wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

rex who is the scumteam this game

You, Ultra, and a third player. My guess would be either Mikal or Whiteflame.

Yeah, pairing me with your scum partner doesn't actually work btw. And I didn't mean ultra either.

You were literally distancing yesterday.

Lol, my 'scum partner' whom I came to within a hair of lynching DP2 and whose wagon I helped to start, and whose ass you saved by doggedly refusing to consider any lynch other than Wylted? Yeah, he really looks like my scum partner.

And yeah, if you want to call not lynching town for two DPs 'distancing', thats a novel use of the term.

Ok first of all one of them was a no lynch.

Second of all are you seriously trying to get townpoints off not lynching Wylted?

Explain why you voted with Mikal D1 brother.

Honestly I dont even remember, I think it was D1 and kohai was being retarded. It's cute that you're having to dig this deep to find behavior you could frame as scummy though lol

Last night I activated a Commuter, which I assume is why there was no NK. The lack of inquiry into this is curious to me.

Hmmm, seems like a very good NK target if I was being set up as the final mislynch.

MeowMix wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

rex who is the scumteam this game

You, Ultra, and a third player. My guess would be either Mikal or Whiteflame.

Yeah, pairing me with your scum partner doesn't actually work btw. And I didn't mean ultra either.

You were literally distancing yesterday.

Wait are you scum reading Mikal lol?

MeowMix wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

rex who is the scumteam this game

You, Ultra, and a third player. My guess would be either Mikal or Whiteflame.

Yeah, pairing me with your scum partner doesn't actually work btw. And I didn't mean ultra either.

You were literally distancing yesterday.

Lol, my 'scum partner' whom I came to within a hair of lynching DP2 and whose wagon I helped to start, and whose ass you saved by doggedly refusing to consider any lynch other than Wylted? Yeah, he really looks like my scum partner.

And yeah, if you want to call not lynching town for two DPs 'distancing', thats a novel use of the term.

MeowMix wrote:

rex who is the scumteam this game

You, Ultra, and a third player. My guess would be either Mikal or Whiteflame.

VTL Meowmix