SatanLucy

Yes, my parents are providers who will never be appreciated or even be thanked for providing. they are in position where they can give me anything they can give, any amount of wealth or favors, and they still wont get a response they want or even a "thank you".


they learned the hard way that you cant fix your mistakes with money or gifts, and they really know it wont get better, even if Allah lies to them that it will.

SatanLucy
Children are programmed often forcibly, to accept that the fantastic exaggeration is potentially true


I am immune to programming. My parents thought they could program me, but they received an answer that knocked them out of their wits.

SatanLucy
But virgins are rewarded in heaven. Each martyr gets 72 virgins if you worship Allah


thats why I worship Allah. On Earth I have 0 virgins, so I expect that 72 virgins in heaven will make up for that, tho I am not sure if 72 is enough. that seems like a small number for whole eternity.

SatanLucy

As I said, Machiavelli gathered a lot of experience, and his reasoning method was actually a reasoning method used in modern times. He learned patterns from real examples from history, and real examples from his own life. And the fact that everyone was against him, and he still became legend in history, just shows how much greater he would be if he actually had support of people. He fully exposed his enemies for what they are.

SatanLucy

I cant legally deny the holocaust in my country, not that I am much interested in denying holocaust anyway. But once free speech dies, you pretty much get a dumber society. Dumb people prefer safety over freedom, and long term they lose both. Safety is for the weak, and safety is illusion. Society full of debates and free speech will always rise far above society where the only thing you can do is agree with government. I can logically deduce why free speech is a logical right. Opponents of free speech cant even make framework about who gets to decide what speech is too harmful to be allowed.

SatanLucy

Machiavelli wasnt born rich, just in educated middle class.


He rose to power through political skills, getting government position.


then he also fell, was thrown in prison and severely tortured.


Most people would be broken by torture Machiavelli endured. But not Machiavelli. He endured torture, and out of it, came even stronger, using all his experience about betrayal to create his ultimate work: the prince.


this work was based on life of experience, betrayals, and pretending which exists in society.


Machiavelli wrote his book from most painful experience. He learned in the most brutal way truths about society, its masks, its false emotional displays...


His work is a product of pure experience. He is not someone who just wrote out of imagination or research. He wrote his work after he experienced complete fall, betrayal, brutal attacks, degradation, mocking, after entire world turned against him.


Instead of being broken and forgotten, he created a legendary work and became a legend himself, because he wasnt broken by experience, but he used his experience to expose society and politics for what it truly is: a brutal game where everyone wears a mask, and weak ones wont be cared for, but trampled upon.


World rewards power the most, and that is simply fact of life. the ones with power can get away with doing things for which ones without power get ruthlessly punished.


Machiavelli truth is:


  1. What you depend upon is what controls you
  2. If you depend on someone, that person controls you
  3. You have no friends. Everyone has interests, and "friendship" is just current interest
  4. It is only when you completely fall, when you can see who is still on your side
  5. Dont seek to be understood by people who have interest to misunderstand
  6. the less you depend on approval and validation of others, the more sovereign you become
  7. Goal is to become independent, impossible to be controlled, and impossible to be crushed
  8. Dont think emotionally, and dont react to provocations.
  9. Use economy of warfare. Only do something when it achieves goal the best.
  10. When people mock you, your silence defeats their mocking, and your later response crushes them
  11. Become ghost. Remove yourself. Use absence. When you leave, you stop being target and people who mocked you start fighting each other.
SatanLucy

Punching bag gets punched. Machiavelli grace gets punched too, but those punches are used to produce greatness long term.


Machiavelli himself was in prison, and tortured severely in prison over false charges. It didnt break him. He endured. then he wrote a book on power, exposing the strategies, all the pretending and lies his enemies use, and he became one of most famous writers in history, producing true greatness of eternal literature which endures forever while his enemies are all forgotten and what they produced didnt last. He became a legend who exposed true nature of society and its leaders, while his enemies were just another common traitorous worms found everywhere.

SatanLucy
I thought people should have the right to die


Self harm is a human right, in forms of such as cigarettes, alcohol, speeding, junk food, obesity...ect.



Alyssa:


Developmental years are pretty critical to people forming a sense of self that we should be encouraging people to think carefully and critically about who they are


the biggest issue is a lot of people denying that kids can be trans. But there are idiots on both sides. On one side, you have people convincing trans kids that they are not trans, on the other side, you have people being so focused on gender that instead of letting kids explore and self determine, they tell kids what they are or convince them they are trans by misleading them. In simple words, no one should tell kids what they are. trans kids are best protected in supportive families, but too much support is bad as well and can turn into control.

SatanLucy
In other words be a punching bag.



Machiavellian grace isnt about being punching bag. Its more about being capable of ignoring those who verbally attack you. Its about lack of reaction, and delayed counter attack. Because the strong arent bothered by weak to immediately react to them.

SatanLucy
Sugar and cigarettes, breakfast of champions


Yeah, my brain needs more power. Nicotine plus sugar plus plenty of water plus workout plus cold hot baths... Yeah that should do the trick. Its time to evolve into a more superior being.

SatanLucy
Ooohhh, you so logical.


Yes. I used to think smoking was bad, but now I know its actually good and probably the reason I am different from other people is that I was second hand smoker since birth.

SatanLucy

Also, my parents made me a second hand smoker for my whole life by constantly smoking in same room with me even when I was baby.


the only difference now is that I inhale smoke directly from cigarette.

SatanLucy

I read that nicotine is a brain stimulant, so I decided to become smoker. I need my brain well stimulated, and living a healthy life eating vegetables doesnt achieve that.

SatanLucy
banning cigarettes


thats a good one. I used to think cigarettes should be banned and that they just cause harm. But I am a smoker now, so I know better.


SatanLucy

I dont know what he thinks, but my opinion is: It should be regulated, not legal or illegal.


It should be illegal when it causes greater harm, and legal when there is no harm or when the harm is so small that makes punishment ineffective in reducing harm.


One should make punishments based on harm done. Sort of like how speeding carries a very low punishment, other than when it harms people. Sure, one could say "all speeding risks lives", but you are generally not going to sentence someone to 40 years in prison for driving slightly over speed limit.

SatanLucy

RemyBrown changed his mind on many issues in past 2 years. this shows he considers things much more than most other people on this site who keep same opinion and position irrelevant of what argument they are presented with or how wrong they are.

SatanLucy

Most debaters on modern day debate are trolls.


they are not interested in debating, but in personal attacks. For example, instead of responding to argument, some will say "He is probably from India".


And some are even worse trolls who pretend to support something and then turn against it in middle of conversation, pretending to be "convinced" (I have seen same person do this multiple times on same topic in few days).



Because modern day debate is overrun by trolls and teenagers, one cannot really debate them in any way which is usually done in serious debates, because they are not interested in debate, but just personal attacks.


And when Ad Hominem becomes a debating standard on some site, one must use different methods to counter it.


the best possible method is Machiavelli delayed response rule.


Simply, you:

One, make your argument

two, they respond with Ad hominem

three, you delay response.


Simply dont respond immediately. Let them wait for you to respond, or let them throw more Ad hominems while you say nothing.


the minimum waiting time to respond is usually 7 seconds after they are fully done responding, but a better way is to wait few minutes before giving another argument.


In fact, the ideal way is to just post argument, and when you see them responding with ad hominem, just dont respond at all, close app, and then open it again after five minutes, and post another argument while completely ignoring their personal attacks.


And doing this repeately exhausts them. Because if you post one argument every 5 minutes, and they respond with bunch of personal attacks each time, you are essentially forcing them to write much more than you do.


Because to each argument, they are forced to respond with 3 or more ad hominem replies.


Machiavelli way is simply, dont argue, make a claim, wait for them to respond, then delay your response for minutes before making another claim.


this forces only two possible outcomes: they either write more personal attacks each time, looking desperate and insane, or they stop with personal attacks.


But never respond with personal attacks to them, but force them to exhaust their personal attacks.