Savant

TOWN WINS

Following the Andor game, I wanted to make it a bit easier for scum to find fake claims, while still making sure the justifications matched the characters pretty well. I think the theme split this game gave scum a wider choice of fake characters to pick from, and Prince Andrew was a fake claim I had in mind that the scum never even considered. People wanted to not be able to solve this game mechanically, then they tried to solve it mechanically and that backfired early on with the blackmailer, so mission accomplished I guess? To explain that decision, the blackmailer mechanic I used was based on what Town of Salem has, adjusted a bit for the forum. Not sure if this was a bad call, but if it was, this is my fault and not Pie's, because I never asked him how blackmailer is supposed to work.

I have a hard time deciding whether this game was townsided or scumsided. On the one hand, it's the third game of mine in a row the town won, and the scum needed some luck to get as far as they did, like with the doctor being lynched day phase 1 without even claiming. On the other hand, I screwed up Mag1c's first invention and might have made the blackmailer a bit too powerful. In the end I'm glad this ended up cancelling out and it was a close game, which meant that people's decisions did end up mattering.

(Sorry again Mag1c)

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Lynched DP2:

Mag1cman - You are Dean Kamen. In addition to being named hundreds of times in the Epstein Files, you invented the Segway and hold over 1,000 patents. Therefore, you are the Inventor. You have the following inventions you can give out during the day: 1x Commuter, 1x Tracker, and 1x Watcher. You can only give out one item per day, and an item must be locked in on the day it’s given by the user who receives it for the coming night or it will expire. You win with the Town.

Died NP2:

NoAhLeEcLaRk - You are David Copperfield. Among other illusions, you temporarily vanished the Statue of Liberty and your property taxes for two private islands. Because you rely on misdirection to deceive the audience and shift their attention away from your connections with Epstein, you are the 2x Redirector. You can shift any player’s actions to target a player of your choosing. You win with the Town.

Lynched DP3:

Thoth - You are Ghislaine Maxwell. You helped finance and organize Jeffrey Epstein's network by recruiting, grooming and sexually abusing underage girls. In addition to luring and coercing victims, you also acted as Epstein’s “lady of the house,” reviewed bills, and oversaw his properties. Because you assisted Epstein’s operation in a wide variety of ways, you are a JOAT with the following abilities: 1x Strongman, 1x Vanillizer, 1x Ninja. You can only use one ability per night. You win with the Mafia.

Died NP3:

Helz - You are Ehud Barak. After being mentioned extensively in the Epstein files, you apologized publicly for your relations with Jeffrey Epstein. However, you served dutifully for 36 years in the Israel Defense Forces, so it is unlikely you would ever harm a child. Fittingly, you are the Soldier. If you are the last living town member, your faction will automatically win the game. You win with the Town.

Remaining Players:

1. Kohai
2. Lunatic
3. whiteflame

With 3 players remaining, it takes 2 votes to lynch. The game will default to a mafia victory on Wednesday, October 13 at 8:00AM Eastern unless the mafia have been eliminated before then.

As we are in a MYLO/LYLO phase, all votes will be locked in. So no unvoting/hammer baiting.

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Lynched DP2:

Mag1cman - You are Dean Kamen. In addition to being named hundreds of times in the Epstein Files, you invented the Segway and hold over 1,000 patents. Therefore, you are the Inventor. You have the following inventions you can give out during the day: 1x Commuter, 1x Tracker, and 1x Watcher. You can only give out one item per day, and an item must be locked in on the day it’s given by the user who receives it for the coming night or it will expire. You win with the Town.

Died NP2:

NoAhLeEcLaRk - You are David Copperfield. Among other illusions, you temporarily vanished the Statue of Liberty and your property taxes for two private islands. Because you rely on misdirection to deceive the audience and shift their attention away from your connections with Epstein, you are the 2x Redirector. You can shift any player’s actions to target a player of your choosing. You win with the Town.

Remaining Players:

1. Helz
2. Kohai
3. Lunatic
4. whiteflame
5. Thoth

With 5 players remaining, it takes 3 votes to lynch. The game will default to a mafia victory on Wednesday, October 13 at 8:00AM Eastern unless the mafia have been eliminated before then.

As we are in a MYLO/LYLO phase, all votes will be locked in. So no unvoting/hammer baiting.

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Remaining Players:

1. Helz
2. Kohai
3. Lunatic
4. Mag1cman
5. NoAhLeEcLaRk
6. whiteflame
7. Thoth

With 7 players remaining, it takes 4 votes to lynch. The game will default to a mafia victory on Wednesday, October 13 at 8:00AM Eastern unless the mafia have been eliminated before then.

Welcome to Epstein's Island Mafia.

Game Information

1. There are 7 town players and 2 mafia. There is a theme split, but you’ll need to figure out what it is.
2. I will announce when MYLO/LYLO has arrived, and votes will be permanent on MYLO/LYLO days. So no hammer baiting.
3. Scum have not been given fake claims, but I will allow them to ask about two characters and two roles to see if they are in the game.

Unique Mechanics

1. The town has seven days to eliminate the mafia. Day phases can be as long as you want, but the game will default to a mafia victory at this time in seven days (Tuesday, October 13, 2:00PM Eastern) unless the mafia have been eliminated before then. To go to the next day phase, you must lynch a player. You cannot vote to end the day phase without killing a player, the day phase just continues until someone is lynched.
2. To both town and mafia, specify your night actions before the day phase ends. That will usually be once I get home from work and see that a hammer has happened. You can specify as many conditions as you want, such as “target player X, unless player X is dead, target player Y, unless player X flips town, target player Z, and if all three are dead, do nothing.” I’d suggest having a long list of backup targets. Just be prepared for any surprises, because the next day phase will start as soon as this one ends, and if you have no possible actions locked in you’ll do nothing.

Rules

1. No copy-pasting full role PM
2. Do not edit or delete your posts
3. No cryptography
4. No voting multiple times in the same post or voting/unvoting in the same post
5. No liking/upvoting posts after you die
6. Votes and unvotes must be clear, no hiding it with small text or burying it in other text.

Remaining Players:

1. Helz
2. Kohai
3. Lunatic
4. Mag1cman
5. Magoroth
6. NoAhLeEcLaRk
7. Shining
8. whiteflame
9. Thoth

With 9 players remaining, it takes 5 votes to lynch. If you have any questions, please PM me. I will answer questions about your role and dead players’ roles, but not about hypothetical roles.

Welcome to Epstein's Island Mafia! As in my previous games, there will be no night phases, and any night actions will need to be locked in in advance. Further game details will be announced when the first day phase starts.

1. Kohai

2. Lunatic

3. Whiteflame

4. Magoroth

5. Thoth (tentative)

6. Helz

7. Shining

8. NoAhLeEcLaRk

9. Mag1cman

TOWN WINS

This game was closer than I thought it would be following the first day phase. I think whiteflame did a pretty good job as scum after Kohai was lynched and basically stopped participating in the scum chat. I may have also made things a bit too difficult for scum by putting the major characters in the game, allowing a good chunk of town to confirm themselves. However, I kind of expected town to mod-psyche it and assume that I might have left more significant roles for scum, especially since I outright said I had given scum the opportunity to ask two questions. That is, I didn’t expect character claims to be as big a deal as they ended up being.

That said, I think this would have been winnable for scum if Kohai hadn’t been lynched on the first day phase, or if scum had been able to put more emphasis on behavior and not reading too much into character claims. A lot was said back and forth about whether I would put certain roles or characters in the game, and the explanation for most of my decisions are that I mostly just wanted to have the most solid role justifications for each character used. I think (hope) I achieved that, because no one’s justification was said to be a stretch, besides maybe wylted’s at one point. I also consulted with Pie about balance and making it not too swingy a few months back when I first designed the game, so that factored in. But he hadn’t seen the show, or he may have pointed out that I was giving town all the major characters.

Besides the character thing, the game seemed decently balanced. I think forcing town to speed things up helped whiteflame survive a bit longer than he may have otherwise. I am of course open to feedback on game design and will aim to account for it in the future.

Lynched DP1:

Kohai - You are Exmar Kloris, an operative for the Galactic Empire's Imperial Security Bureau. Disguised as Mon Mothma’s personal chauffeur, you personally report her and her family’s activities to your ISB handler. Therefore, you are the Chauffeur. You have the ability to “swap” two players each night so that everyone visiting the first targeted player will instead visit the second targeted player and vice versa. You win with the Mafia.

Died NP1:

RexFavilla - You are Wilmon Paak. A skilled engineer, you crafted a bomb that was used during the uprising on Ferrix. Therefore, you are the Inventor. You have the following inventions you can give out during the day: 1x Commuter, 1x Tracker, and 1x Bomb. You can only give out one item per day, and an item must be locked in on the day it’s given by the user who receives it or it will expire. You win with the Town.

Lynched DP2:

wylted - You are Kino Loy, a floor manager incarcerated in the Narkina 5 Imperial Prison Complex. After working with Cassian Andor to overthrow the guards on Level Five, you reached the control room and gave an improvised speech that inspired a facility-wide uprising. Despite helping the other prisoners escape, you were unable to swim in the waters surrounding the prison and stayed behind. Therefore, you are the Odd Night Martyr. If you die during an odd night, no one will die the night after that. You win with the Town.

Died NP2:

Magoroth - You are Maarva Andor. You gave a speech condemning the Empire that was played after your death and triggered a riot against Imperial forces on Ferrix. Hence, you are the 1x Restless Spirit. Once in the game after you die, you may post a vote and nothing else. Once you do, you may not unvote. You win with the Town.

Lynched DP3:

Thoth - You are Saw Gerrera. You lead a band of Rebel extremists, and your radical methods have alienated many other members of the Rebel Alliance. Despite this, you remain an effective fighter against the Empire on your own terms. Therefore, you are the 1x Even Night Vigilante. On one even night of your choosing, you may target a player and kill them. You win with the Town.

Died NP3:

Banana - You are Mon Mothma. Before you became the official leader of the Rebel Alliance, you were a Senator who frequently spoke out against imperial overreach. Therefore, you are the 2x Petitioner. Twice in the game, you may cast an anonymous “negative vote” in addition to your normal vote (removing or switching your negative vote counts as a use of this ability). The “negative vote” counts against a player's elimination, requiring an extra vote for them to be eliminated. This ability expires at MYLO/LYLO. You win with the Town.

Remaining Players:

1. whiteflame
2. Lunatic
3. Wryly

With 3 players remaining, it takes 2 votes to lynch. The game will default to a mafia victory on Tuesday, March 10 at 7:00PM Central unless the mafia have been eliminated before then.

Lynched DP1:

Kohai - You are Exmar Kloris, an operative for the Galactic Empire's Imperial Security Bureau. Disguised as Mon Mothma’s personal chauffeur, you personally report her and her family’s activities to your ISB handler. Therefore, you are the Chauffeur. You have the ability to “swap” two players each night so that everyone visiting the first targeted player will instead visit the second targeted player and vice versa. You win with the Mafia.

Died NP1:

RexFavilla - You are Wilmon Paak. A skilled engineer, you crafted a bomb that was used during the uprising on Ferrix. Therefore, you are the Inventor. You have the following inventions you can give out during the day: 1x Commuter, 1x Tracker, and 1x Bomb. You can only give out one item per day, and an item must be locked in on the day it’s given by the user who receives it or it will expire. You win with the Town.

Lynched DP2:

wylted - You are Kino Loy, a floor manager incarcerated in the Narkina 5 Imperial Prison Complex. After working with Cassian Andor to overthrow the guards on Level Five, you reached the control room and gave an improvised speech that inspired a facility-wide uprising. Despite helping the other prisoners escape, you were unable to swim in the waters surrounding the prison and stayed behind. Therefore, you are the Odd Night Martyr. If you die during an odd night, no one will die the night after that. You win with the Town.

Died NP2:

Magoroth - You are Maarva Andor. You gave a speech condemning the Empire that was played after your death and triggered a riot against Imperial forces on Ferrix. Hence, you are the 1x Restless Spirit. Once in the game after you die, you may post a vote and nothing else. Once you do, you may not unvote. You win with the Town.

Remaining Players:

1. whiteflame
2. Lunatic
3. Banana
4. Wryly
5. Thoth

With 5 players remaining, it takes 3 votes to lynch. The game will default to a mafia victory on Tuesday, March 10 at 7:00PM Central unless the mafia have been eliminated before then.

Lynched DP1:

Kohai - You are Exmar Kloris, an operative for the Galactic Empire's Imperial Security Bureau. Disguised as Mon Mothma’s personal chauffeur, you personally report her and her family’s activities to your ISB handler. Therefore, you are the Chauffeur. You have the ability to “swap” two players each night so that everyone visiting the first targeted player will instead visit the second targeted player and vice versa. You win with the Mafia.

Died NP1:

RexFavilla - You are Wilmon Paak. A skilled engineer, you crafted a bomb that was used during the uprising on Ferrix. Therefore, you are the Inventor. You have the following inventions you can give out during the day: 1x Commuter, 1x Tracker, and 1x Bomb. You can only give out one item per day, and an item must be locked in on the day it’s given by the user who receives it or it will expire. You win with the Town.

Remaining Players:

1. whiteflame
2. Lunatic
3. Magoroth
4. wylted
5. Banana
6. Wryly
7. Thoth

With 7 players remaining, it takes 4 votes to lynch. The game will default to a mafia victory on Tuesday, March 10 at 7:00PM Central unless the mafia have been eliminated before then.

Welcome to Andor Mafia. This game is based off of the Star Wars TV series of the same name.

Game Information

1. There are 7 town players and 2 mafia. The theme is rebel alliance vs empire.
2. I will announce when MYLO/LYLO has arrived, and votes will be permanent on MYLO/LYLO days. So no hammer baiting.
3. Scum have not been given fake claims, but I will allow them to ask about two characters and two roles to see if they are in the game.

Unique Mechanics

1. The town has seven days to eliminate the mafia. Day phases can be as long as you want, but the game will default to a mafia victory at this time in seven days (Tuesday, March 10, 7:00PM Central) unless the mafia have been eliminated before then. To go to the next day phase, you must lynch a player. You cannot vote to end the day phase without killing a player, the day phase just continues until someone is lynched.
2. To both town and mafia, specify your night actions before the day phase ends. That will usually be once I get home from work and see that a hammer has happened. You can specify as many conditions as you want, such as “target player X, unless player X is dead, target player Y, unless player X flips town, target player Z, and if all three are dead, do nothing.” I’d suggest having a long list of backup targets. Just be prepared for any surprises, because the next day phase will start as soon as this one ends, and if you have no possible actions locked in you’ll do nothing.

Rules

1. No copy-pasting full role PM
2. Do not edit or delete your posts
3. No cryptography
4. No voting multiple times in the same post or voting/unvoting in the same post
5. No liking/upvoting posts after you die
6. Votes and unvotes must be clear, no hiding it with small text or burying it in other text.

Remaining Players:

1. whiteflame
2. RexFavilla
3. Kohai
4. Lunatic
5. Magoroth
6. wylted
7. Banana
8. Wryly
9. Thoth

With 9 players remaining, it takes 5 votes to lynch. If you have any questions, please PM me. I will answer questions about your role and dead players’ roles, but not about hypothetical roles.

Welcome to Andor Mafia! This game is based on the Star Wars prequel show to Rogue One. As in my previous game, there will be no night phases, and any night actions will need to be locked in in advance. Further game details will be announced when the first day phase starts.

1. whiteflame

2. RexFavilla

3. Kohai

4. Skipper

5. Magoroth

6. wylted

7. Banana

8. Wryly

9. Thoth

My personal view is that I think we'll be able to assess the results better after 20-30 games, but the results seem to make more "sense" than I would have expected at this point, I guess. I considered having player votes on performance, but while I think this would improve short-term results, it introduces other sources of bias that I think are more likely to be avoided long-term in a system that only rewards wins/penalizes losses. It's also difficult to noob snipe, because in contrast to debating, there's a lot more people in each game, and you have to play a lot of games to improve your score significantly.

What are your general thoughts, and what do you expect the rankings to be after some large number of games—say, after 100 games or so?

I didn't know who was going to be on top, but Pie makes sense to me. I expect him to stay pretty high up (even if an 83% winrate likely isn't sustainable). The gap between him and the second-place spot on the leaderboard seems telling even this early on. I think Mikal and Lunatic are underrated at the moment (just got unlucky with the small sample size) and will end up at least above average. As a general rule, I think experienced players being consistently at the top will be a sign that the system is becoming more accurate. As for how they'll rank against each other, I think that's harder to predict.

TOWN WIN

1st Place: Vader, Mag1cman, Shining, RexFavilla, ILikePie5, whiteflame, Airmax1227

2nd Place: Wryly, Mikal

KOHAI: So, you have a new mafia endgame for me?

SAVANT: Yes, sir, I do. It's called Ryan George Cinematic Universe Mafia Endgame.

KOHAI: And what game is it for?

SAVANT: The only one that makes sense given the title.

KOHAI: So, what players were in this game?

SAVANT: Well, there's Pie, and Mharman.

KOHAI: They're on the top of the leaderboard!

SAVANT: They sure are, sir.

KOAHI: And what did they do to help catch the mafia?

SAVANT: Well, they lynched a town player, and one of them died the first night.

KOHAI: ...and?

SAVANT: Well, that's two things.

KOAHI: It seems like it must have been pretty hard for the town to win the game if one of the best players got killed the first night.

SAVANT: Actually, it was super easy, barely an inconvenience.

KOHAI: Oh, really?

SAVANT: See, one of the scum players said a trigger word they were told would kill them. And one of the town players who can avenge someone's death picked the same person that scum targeted on the first night.

KOHAI: Why would a scum player say a word they were told would kill them at the beginning of the game?

SAVANT: So that the game can happen.

KOHAI: That works.

SAVANT: We also have this other player who dies on the first day. Shining.

KOHAI: Shining? What's his deal?

SAVANT: He was in the game!

KOHAI: Wow wow wow....wow.

SAVANT: So, what do you think?

KOHAI: Well, I think as long as we really lean into the meta angle with this endgame writeup, people might overlook the extremely swingy setup, borderline unfair mod tactics, and all the alternative ways this role setup could have gone wrong.

Role PMs and Night Actions:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZBrxf_e896nIFcKoTWrWGYExRjer0sNq5chHQmAvtxw/edit?usp=sharing

KOHAI: So, you have a new mafia game for me?

SAVANT: Yes, sir, I do. It’s based on a YouTube sketch artist called Ryan George.

KOHAI: That does sound like a person’s name. So, what’s gonna happen in this game? Do you have anything cool planned for the night phase?

SAVANT: Actually, sir, there’s not going to be any night phases.

KOHAI: Oh, really?

SAVANT: Yeah, see, players are just going to lock in different versions of their night actions ahead of time based on different possible ways the day phase could end.

KOHAI: Players love it when new and inexperienced moderators introduce confusing rules.

SAVANT: They sure do, sir. We’re also going to have a time limit for the whole game instead of for each day phase so the whole thing doesn’t take too long. Each day can be as long as people want.

KOHAI: Is that how days work in the real world?

SAVANT: It might be. So, what do you think?

KOHAI: Well, I think as long as we don’t follow up this dialogue with a list of intentionally vague additional rules, people won’t be too confused.

Game Information

1. There may or may not be anti-claim mechanics in this game. Claim at your own risk.
2. There are 7 town players and 2 mafia. No third parties.
3. Votes and unvotes must be clear, no hiding it with small text or burying it in other text. If you vote and unvote in the same post, the unvote does not count, and the vote stays.
4. I will announce when MYLO/LYLO has arrived, and votes will be permanent on MYLO/LYLO days. So no hammer baiting.

Unique Mechanics

1. The town has five days to eliminate the mafia. Day phases can be as long as you want, but the game will default to a mafia victory at 1PM central time 10/10/2025 unless the mafia have been eliminated before then. To go to the next day phase, you must lynch a player. You cannot vote to end the day phase without killing a player, the day phase just continues until someone is lynched.
2. To both town and mafia, specify your night actions before the day phase ends. That will usually be once I get home from work and see that a hammer has happened. You can specify as many conditions as you want, such as “target player X, unless player X is dead, target player Y, unless player X flips town, target player Z, and if all three are dead, do nothing.” I’d suggest having a long list of backup targets. Just be prepared for any surprises, because the next day phase will start as soon as this one ends, and if you have no possible actions locked in you’ll do nothing.

Rules

1. No copy-pasting full role PM
2. Do not edit or delete your posts
3. No cryptography
4. No liking/upvoting posts after you die

If you have any questions, please PM me. I will answer questions about your role and dead players’ roles, but not about hypothetical roles.

Living Players:

1. Airmax1227

2. RexFavilla

3. Shining

4. Mikal

5. whiteflame

6. Mag1cman

7. Wryly

8. ILikePie5

9. Vader

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch.

The theme will be a surprise. One thing I'll say off the bat though is that there will be no night phases (any "night" actions will need to be locked in in advance) and the town will have a total-game time limit. They can use as much time as they want on each day phase, and lynching someone moves to the next day phase. However, if the time limit runs out, town loses.

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