@Debby Jesus sacrificed his life to serve God, big difference.

So Jesus committed suicide to serve himself then.

@ Debby Abraham did not understand God

Do you just make things up to get yourself out of that fkn great hole that you continue to dig for yourself?

Here Stupid. From the BIBLE that you have never read nor would understand if you had>>>>> "Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness". Genesis 15:6

And you forget that it was Abraham that understood his god well enough to know and be able to negotiate with him to save some of the citizens of Sodom.

Genesis 18:20 - 19:29

Now you have dug your fkn great hole, I should jump in it and pull the ground back over yourself.

What has it got to do with this thread.

Moses worked closer with God than Abraham. Abraham was 100 when god told him his wife would bear him a child. Abraham did not believe God and took on a slave Hagar to bear him his first born.

You haven't even read the story have you, you idiot?

It was Sarah that didn't believe and laughed at the idea of her giving birth, and then denied laughing. You BIBLE DUNCE!

HERE you go. Learn something else from your uncle Stephen>>>>

9 “Where is Sarah, your wife?” the visitors asked.

“She’s inside the tent,” Abraham replied.

10 Then one of them said, “I will return to you about this time next year, and your wife, Sarah, will have a son!”

Sarah was listening to this conversation from the tent. 11 Abraham and Sarah were both very old by this time, and Sarah was long past the age of having children. 12 So she laughed silently to herself and said, “How could a worn-out woman like me enjoy such pleasure, especially when my master—my husband—is also so old?”

13 Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh? Why did she say, ‘Can an old woman like me have a baby?’ 14 Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return about this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”

15 Sarah was afraid, so she denied it, saying, “I didn’t laugh.”

And this has nothing at all to do with this particular topic.

Debby wrote: Is God telling Moses he did not appear  before them as he did with Moses? 

NO, THICKY, he isn't

Have you not read EVER the BIBLE at all or even the verse in question , you plebeian?

God, we know from the BIBLE certainly made himself known to Abraham and his wife. He walked up to him at his tent with two others, he sat down and he had a fkn meal with them, leaving them with a promise that his barren wife would have have a child.

Indeed this seems to be a God ( a creator of all the universe and everything in it no less) that hungers and thirsts and needs his feet washed.

BUT we know from the BIBLE! that this, - apparently - is the same god appeared to Moses as a bush that was on fire. So do you not see the difference here, Plebbo!?

Here you go, stupid>>> Gen18  And >>the Lord<<< appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.

7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

Off you go now thicky.

Now, you're very focused specifically on that last one.

But you are not.

And depending on which version of which BIBLE one chooses to believe, and which name or title Abraham uses it does not alter the fact that GOD didn't reveal his NAME to him nor to Issac and Jacob.

"And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lifted up my hand unto Jehovah, God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth"

(Genesis 14:22)

"And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of Jehovah it shall be seen."

(Genesis 22:14)

ONLY he couldn't have said this because the name of GOD hadn't even told him his name ..... or any name.

Isaac and Jacob use "Yahweh" less frequently, in the bible. So how did they know?

I am Yahweh. And I showed to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as El-Shaddai, and by my name, 'Yahweh', I did not make myself known to them.

Bible dunce Debby says: @GreatfulGoy Great explanation dealing with the contradiction.

No it doesn't .

This is false. What you see is an assumptive translation that is anything but a transliteration.

What is false? God told Moses that h had not revealed his true name to Abraham. But in many verse we can read Abraham going around spouting his name all over the place. So how did Abraham know what god himself says he'd never revealed his name to him?

he's not revealed " unto Isaac, and unto Jacob", either. So tell me what is false?

Thicko Debby failed to even see the contradiction and you appear to have too.

Why is that you always have resort to telling blatant lies?

There is nothing at all in that verse that even indicates the Abraham worshipped "several" other gods, as you claim.

the Bible Jesus is God? Is that why he said, And around the ninth hour Jesus shouted-out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”, that is, “My God, My God, why did you forsake Me?”

That then should read: Me Me, why have I forsaken Me!.?

Probably makes more sense considering that HIS mission to take on the whole of the Roman Empire with just a rag -tag band of Galilean Zealots failed miserably thereby forsaking himself .

Abraham worshipped several gods during his time.

OK. Then name them, and show us where in th BIBLE does it say so?

Wrong.. AGAIN!!!!.

Must do better.

It doesn't answer the question you thick twat!. That is probably because as usual, you don't see the GLARING problem both between gods' and Abrahams statements. I won't be spelling it out for you because you are such a dunce.

Off you go now. Please.

In Exodus 6:3. God speaks to Moses saying:

 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

But any reader of the Bible should know right away that this just has to be

pure bollocks considering that Abraham HIMSELF mentions the name of his god to others in many places as Jehovah!

I shall now wait for the usual Bollocks from the usual suspect as they try to scrape and spin their way around this, yet another biblical anomaly.

faux law:No, I don't claim to be a qualified translator. I can do some, quite a lot between English and French, but not as a professional. And my vocabulary isn't sufficient in Greek, though I can read it with a handy dictionary for vocabulary I don't know.

OK. With your handy dictionary in hand; Translate for me the meaning of these New Testament verses from your preferred bible:

Matthew 10:34-40

King James Version

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

I believe I know exactly what they mean..

. I. have proven to you over and over that your pinup boy Bart Ehrman is no longer a believer nor a Christian. Frankly i'm fk sick of you, you absolute numbskull

Read Bart Erhman’s book How Jesus became God. Bart Ehrman reinforces Christian beliefs Jesus was a human prophet who was elevated to divine status and made a heavenly being only after God raised him from the dead.

I watched his talk on the mater. I know you have neither re\d the book nor watched the video on the subject. This is just more bollocks from you. If you had read or watched the video on the matter you'd immediately understand the title of both. But you are simply far too thick to understand.

Here's just one of the many of Bart Ehrman's own videos on the subject.

How Jesus Became God | Dr. Bart D. Ehrman >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDDO_tNXvbI maybe the title is a bit misleading for your empty swede. The title should maybe have been - How Christians made Jesus A God? Because THAT IS HIS FKN CLAIM!!!! in context.

. I. have proven to you over and over that your pinup boy Bart Ehrman is no longer a believer nor a Christian. Frankly i'm fk sick of you, you absolute numbskull

Conversation ends here.

Why is So how many of those "minor human Errors has Bart Ehrman corrected?still teaching the Bible if he is not a Christian.

Are you that dumb that you cannot work even that out for yourself!?

His new book acknowledges Jesus was a historical figure......

So? Even I acknowledge that a MAN named Jesus existed, had followers and was probably nailed to a cross for crimes against Rome. SO WHAT!?

......and after his resurrection was exalted to God. Those are very Christian beliefs.

STOP fkn lying AGAIN! . Show me anywhere that Bart Ehrman says he believes Jesus came back from the dead , and went to heaven or god.

I have shown you, Bart Ehrman in HIS OWN fkn words does not believe any of those things and neither do I.

And you keep avoiding this question, Why?

So answer the question or else our conversation ends here and you can hope someone else is patient enough to put up with you continuous contradictory lying nonsense.

How many of those "minor human Errors has Bart Ehrman corrected?

Bart Ehrman continued his scholarly teaching and remained a Christian

He didn't remain Christian, stop lying Or is your favourite go-to scholar simply lying about himself and his credentials?

SEE HERE>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzUbsHqrO9A A Scholar's Revelation: Bart Ehrman's Reasons for Not Being a Christian: by Bart Ehrman 

AND HERE>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6DUD1KHEnk Why Doesn't Bart Believe in God?: by Bart Ehrman 

And try answering this honestly you absolute lying clown

So how many of those "minor human Errors has Bart Ehrman corrected?

Deb. Are you honestly trying to tell us that you believe that the once deeply devout and highly acclaimed Christian Bart Ehrman; a biblical; scholar no less: lost his faith totally over a "few minor human errors in the bible !??

You really have lost you fkn mind. Ask yourself this, STUPID:

instead of giving up on the bible and god and losing his faith in his god, why didn't this BIBLICAL scholar and once devout Christian simply correct those

"few MINOR" mistakes?

You really are a fkn IDIOT!, Deb

Debby :yes he -  [highly acclaimed Christian biblical scholar Bart Ehrman]  lost his faith.

And has had to correct his mistakes many times over. His first being that after declaring and believing that the bible was "completely without error" for most of his adult life he now admits that he was wrong and that the bible is riddled with errors.

Just go away Deb. You really are fkd without the use AI..... there again, you were fkd when you did rely on it LOL

Off you go now.

Debby: We have scholars who have read the original manuscripts written in Hebrew and Greek like Bart Ehrman and verified the veracity of the Bible.

Bart Ehrman!? The same highly acclaimed Bart Ehrman that was once an evangelical conservative Christian who believed and preached that the Bible was completely without error?

But has now truly seen the light and become an agnostic atheist? Is that the Bart Ehrman you are referring to?

Debby:Do some research before you open your mouth.

HERE>> read this you absolute dunce.

A Case Study: Bart Ehrman, a “Christian” Who Lost His Faith

https://www.epm.org/resources/2020/Apr/15/case-study-bart-ehrman/

Off you go stupid.

Debby: The English translation of the Bible help spread the Bible to the English speaking world. Now the two worlds are in harmony. That’s a success story.

Stephen: Indeed . But according to Fauxlaw , the bible written in English cannot be fully understood unless one knows and understands the original Koine Greek language. So can I assume that you read and understand the ancient language of Koine Greek, Deb?

Debby: Some translations are better than others.

So that's a NO, to my question then Deb.. Meaning that you too have been wasting your time because (1) You can't read to begin with and (2) You can't read nor speak ancient Greek..

The English translation of the Bible help spread the Bible to the English speaking world. Now the two worlds are in harmony. That’s a success story.

Indeed . But according to Fauxlaw , the bible written in English cannot be fully understood unless one knows and understands the original Koine Greek language.

So can I assume that you read and understand the ancient language of Koine Greek, Deb?

Stephen:I see so these savages didn't know that it was against British law to sexually assault and rape children, young girls and women?So why did they think it was ok and legal to do so in the first place?

Debby: They thought it was legal to do so because of the many cases before the courts. But this was an attempt to inform the immigrants what was illegal in Britain.

Can you fkn read at all!? So, according to you, these savages believed that it was legal in Britain to rape and sexually assault children, young girls and women because of the many case being brought before the courts!!!!?

You really are thick aren't you Deb. Read the question again you dulcet dunce. If you can't answer just leave the thread and say nothing.

GOY: you think epstein victims and rape victims in general want the whole world knowing typically or ask to stay?

If that be the case, the likes of clowns such as you can say anything you wish about anyone in those files going by your claim simply because mud sticks and casts doubt especially the weak minded that cannot think for themselves.. So I'll call BS on that . For the simple reason that these alleged "victims" are , like anywhere else in the Wester world , would be able to choose to remain anonymous And simply be/ and are referred to as "victim A, B, or C. So given that fact, don't you believe that those demented multi millionaire Dems would have offered YOUR alleged "victims" a couple a million $ a piece to take the stand while retaining their anonymity?

DEBBY:Why didn't the Democrats release all these files while they were in office?

You've avoided the question AGAIN!!

Stephen wrote: >>>>Why didn't the Democrats release all these files while they were in office?

Stephen: So we are back to my old argument that, by your own standard, ANY bible written in the English language is pointless, futile, meaningless and should be consigned to the rubbish skip.

The bible in English is still written in English , the new and even newer versions are written in English. It is preached in from the bible in English. No doubt you read to your own congregation from a bible written in the English Or do you actually translate it into ancient koine Greek on the hoof as you go?

faux law:No, I don't claim to be a qualified translator. I can do some, quite a lot between English and French, but not as a professional. And my vocabulary isn't sufficient in Greek, though I can read it with a handy dictionary for vocabulary I don't know.

OK. With your handy dictionary in hand; Translate for me the meaning of these New Testament verses from your preferred bible:

Matthew 10:34-40

King James Version

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

I believe I know exactly what they mean..

Stephen:Is this to say that not any words or phrases in the bible are interchangeable?

No, that is way too broad a statement. However, we sometimes run into issues of language simply because no language shares an exact lexicon with another language. For example: "love." One word in English is seven in Greek. To equate to Greek, English must add adverbs or adjectives to equate to the variations extant in Greek. In the Bible, seldom are these qualifiers added to the text in translation, just the one word "love." Sometimes, the surrounding context does lead one to know of which type of love is discussed, but when that is missing, we're left to either ignore it, or, seek to find the answer. We are given, biblically, the means to try to find out, and it is best done on our knees in serious prayer.

So we are back to my old argument that, by your own standard, ANY bible written in the English language is pointless, futile, meaningless and should be consigned to the rubbish skip.

The bible in English is still written in English , the new and even newer versions are written in English. It is preached in from the bible in English. No doubt you read to your own congregation from a bible written in the English Or do you actually translate it into ancient koine Greek on the hoof as you go?

Stephen: The Goy has made claims he still hasn't backed up, has he bone head? There are hundreds of "names" mentioned in those files apparently so are we to look forward to hundreds of accusations of rape and sexual assault?

You really do make some pathetic statements most of the time , Deb. So what does it "specifically say about President Trump. And lets see your proof.

Debby:Trump is mentioned 1500 times in the Epstein files. Trump also appears over a dozen times in the Epstein flight logs to his island. There are even videos of Trump with the Epstein minors as well as allegations he raped some.

Ok So lets see some some proof how many allegations are there that TRUMP raped anyone on the Epstein island? where's' your evidence that Trump actually flew to Epstein Island.

Why didn't the Democrats release all these files while they were in office?

You are full of shite and you know it deb.

That was to update them on what the British are subjected to so they start on equal footing.

I see so these savages didn't know that it was against British law to sexually assault and rape children, young girls and women?

So why did they think it was ok and legal to do so in the first place?

All societies degenerate once they have reached their peak. Britain is no exception. Take Rome as an example in the dying days.

You still haven't answered a single question especially my initial question. Why did the British Government feel the need to have distribute a booklet to all illegal immigrants telling them it is against the law to rape and sexually assault children, girls and women?

colloquial terms.

Ok give me some examples other than "faith" and "belief" that are not interchangeable.