In Exodus 6:3. God speaks to Moses saying:

 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

But any reader of the Bible should know right away that this just has to be

pure bollocks considering that Abraham HIMSELF mentions the name of his god to others in many places as Jehovah!

I shall now wait for the usual Bollocks from the usual suspect as they try to scrape and spin their way around this, yet another biblical anomaly.

to issue this pamphlet to illegal immigrants/ "asylum seekers"?

'Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises', asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK

UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

First off the BIBLE doesn't say the woman was "a gentile". As claimed by the Reverend. In the link below, it specifically states that she was a Canaanite. There is only one single bible of all the English bibles written that refers to her a gentile. https://biblehub.com/matthew/15-22.htm

Regardless,

This little story lasting only 8 short verses in Matthew 15:22-28 is titled.

The Faith of a Canaanite Woman

21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

And here endeth the story. 

So what is it about?

Well for those bone idle Christians that can't take the time to research what they preach to others and are oblivious to the tiniest of Jewish history this story needs some background.

Israel had been under the rule of the Greeks for some 400 years before the Romans who then ruled some 100+ years and all before Jesus the JEW had appeared on the scene.

One only has to imagine the change in culture, practices, society and religious beliefs that Israel had undergone during those times . Many Jews over generations by the time of Jesus had simply taken on Greek culture and religious beliefs i.e. they had become what is called - Hellenised. <<

Tyre and Sidon- (see above Matthew 15:2) were Roman port cities located in northern Israel on the Mediterranean and were heavily guarded.  

Jesus was a wanted man both by Rome and the Jewish authorities and word had spread throughout Israel that the Messiah had indeed arrived.. some believed it while others didn't, regardless he and his followers were on the hit list as the BIBLE in many places clearly attests to.

So then we have this Canaanite woman appearing out of nowhere making a proper song and dance, begging on her knees and crying out to Jesus- a wanted man -"“Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me!", and all in broad daylight and in earshot of all authorities! 

What was the response of Jesus ? It was to try to ignore her. (See Matthew 15:23 above) but she kept "crying out" aloud.

And the disciples that were accompanying him, what was their response?

Well to put this into plain modern English it was, shall we tell her to FK off before she blows our anonymity and gets us all arrested!

Jesus then spoke these now famous words that are easy for anyone to understand, even dulcet bible dunces , but the never mention it for obvious reasons. 

 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel". In other words - I am not here for this riff-raff scum, I am here for only gods chosen and treasured people, the lost sheep of ISRAEL!

 But of course the riff -raff scum woman wasn't giving up as she persisted in begged the Messiah seed and son of David to do something about her "Demon possessed" daughter. (See Matthew 15:25)

But again, what was the response to the scummy riff-raff woman?

Well it was this lovely compliment;

He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” (See Matthew15:26). And the bread Jesus spoke of was of course was the wisdom of his forgiveness and teaching the so called "bread of life" that he wasn't going to waste on the scummy riff-raff's daughter. But riff-raff scummy woman said it was right to do so> "27 “Yes it is, Lord,” [right] she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

Jesus realised riff-raff scummy Canaanite woman wasn't going anywhere and certainly wasn't going to shut the hell up so given the sticky situation Jesus spoke just 8 magical words and her wish was granted. And the day was saved.... all round. 

Demon Possessed.....

....are words often bandied around often in the New Testament. But thicko Pastors and Chaplains, and priests of today (even high priests) that are far too bone idle to research, never mind understand, that this is a coverall term of phrase of that time. In those times one could be sick or mentally ill and be called Demon Possessed.  As can anyone deemed to be rebellious or of another faith, go against the status quo, or simply be disobedient. And keep this in mind that both John the Baptist (the greatest prophet that ever lived according to Jesus) was said to be "demon possessed" as was Jesus said to be by members of his own family!

The scummy riff-raff Canaanite's daughter was simply Hellenised hence rebellious , hence she was "demon possessed".

Here endeth the lesson. 

This has to be the strangest story in the Gospels: the “raising” of Lazarus.

From beginning to end it is vague, ambiguous anomalous and at one time just plain silly.

It has Jesus not being able to make up get his story straight or make up his mind and not seeming too bothered about this person he “loved”. It has suicidal followers and confused women and there are even hints that it all could have been a staged affair. And in my opinion for this story to be included in the scriptures it has to mean something other than the “miracle” the gospellers want us to believe it is.

The first thing any reader of the gospels will notice is that this “miracle” appears only in John’s Gospel although, it is now known that the story once appeared in Mark's gospel but has since been expunged. So here, right away, we have a why? And a why?

It begins with Lazarus falling sick and his sister Mary (the one who had anointed Jesus Earlier) sending word to Jesus of the “sickness” and who had decided it was a nice day and would take a stroll down to the river Jordan for the day which was about a mile away. John 11:1-3 KJV.

On arrival they blurted out that Lazarus “who he loved” was sick. Jesus’ response is somewhat dismissive with him saying Lazarus is not going to die and decided that there was no urgency to Lazarus’ “sickness” and decided to extend his holiday down by the river for another two days and even contemplated taking an excursion into Judea were it was known that the Jews wanted to “stone him”. 11:4 -8.

Jesus then makes comment about a man stumbling around in the dark

But then tells his disciples that Lazarus is asleep and then he tells them “plainly” that Lazarus Is now dead!

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

So above, so far we have Lazarus, sick but not in any critical danger of dying, Jesus not worrying too much about and tarrying & dallying a further “two days longer”. Lazarus“ asleep” and then, Lazarus is dead which is in complete contrary to what Jesus said at verse 11:4. He is not going to die.

How did Jesus even know that Lazarus was dead? When they were still at the river location?

Then there is this enigmatic and ambiguous statement from Jesus himself:

“And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him”.11:15. ?????

“And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there” ?

Why was he “glad”? And why for their sakes”?

“to the intent ye may believe”?

“Believe what”? This Is beginning to sound all put up in advance.

Still, they “go to him”, the now dead Lazarus.

But not before saying this enigmatic and outrageous statement:

““Let us also go, that we may die with him.”!!!!!? 11:16

Yes, you read that correctly. These apparent suicidal disciples or at least one, wanted to “die” with Lazarus!

Why? They were one minute having a nice relaxing tarry and a chat down by the river where there was no sense of urgency about his “sick” friend who he “loved”, next minute, this disciple suggests he and all those that were there should go die too.

And it simply has to be recognised; that there are absolutely no mentions or indications at this point that Jesus is even contemplating raising Lazarus from the dead! Or even spoke of raising the dead Lazarus or anyone else.

Does "dead " actually mean biologically and physically dead? Not breathing and loss of all life sustaining functions? Not in this case it doesn't.

Yes! Even Pilate was amazed at how quick Jesus had “died”.  Mark 15:44

And it was awfully convenient that he is said to have “died” just before he was about to have his legs broken.

The Apostle John said that the two crucified alongside Jesus were still alive six hours after they were crucified so “the soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other” to make sure they would die before the Sabbath.    John 19:31-34.

Could the disciples simply have been wrong or mores the case, duped into believing Jesus was dead? They had got it wrong on another occasion when they were convinced Paul was dead but wasn’t. Acts 14

And there's not a mention of any of them being present at the crucifixion so how would they know either way. 

Why then, did Jesus die so quickly on the cross? 

Why did they spear his side if he was dead?

Did Jesus even predict that he would be "dead" for three days?

Christians like to latch onto what is written in Matthew 12:40 as some kind of “sign” or clue not to mention “proof” given to the Elders as to what lay ahead for him. But they should read that closely, because it mentions nothing about death at all.

Jesus – so say the gospels- was offered a drink of vinegar/wine on a sponge when he seemed to complain of thirst. Why he should then suddenly die after sucking on, or even sniffing this sponge and after saying few words, words - which are also in contention? The thing about the vinegar soaked sponge is that if anything, it would have had completely the opposite effect on the human body. It was used on slave galleys as a temporary stimulant to revive flagging rowers, it had the same effect as smelling salts.

 So again it appears just like all of these others gospels, it leaves gaping big holes in the commentary and we are left with yet another half story.

In his book Pure Human Gregg Branden has a section on AI writing " AI is far from perfect".

he goes on- "While the use of machine intelligence definitely holds promise for applications such as the rapid scouring of historic records to find cancer-healing plants, the technology has not developed to the point that we want to relegate our life- or -death decisions to it."

"When the AI known as Chaos GPT, for example was asked, "what is the greatest threat to planet Earth today:" the April 2023 reply was not what the questioners expected.

In a now - famous exchanged viewed by millions on the social platform X, the answer was honest, direct and came without hesitation.

" Human beings are among the most destructive an selfish creatures in existence".

in the original version of the post - before it was updated in July 2024 the Bot went on to state

"there is no doubt that we must eliminate them before they destroy our planet". Braden goes on to cite a few false arrests court cases where the accused has been totally innocent because of the use of AI and how [ braindead ] lawyers had been totally reliant on AI to present their cases and judges have thrown them out. I've looked up a few of these cases and had the Judges in these case simply gone along with the false evidence and the often false precedent been accepted at face value, the accused in these cases could have been serving some serious time.

Key Cases Where Judges Rejected AI-Drafted Filings:

1. Ontario, Canada (March 2025): Justice Joseph Kenkel ordered a defense lawyer to redo a submission for an aggravated assault case after finding it was written with AI, which produced fake legal citations, including a case that did not exist.
2. Scotland (March 2026): Sheriff John MacRitchie dismissed a rent arrears case brought by a landlord who used AI to prepare the case. The AI generated a fake law—the "Interest on Debts (Scotland) Act 1985"—and fictitious tribunal rulings.
3. New York, USA (April 2025): A New York Supreme Court judge slammed a 74-year-old man who used an AI-generated avatar to argue his case in an employment dispute without notifying the court.
4. South Africa (March 2026): A High Court judge in Pietermaritzburg, South Africa, threw out a case brought by a law firm that included fabricated cases in their submissions, referring the matter to the Legal Practice Council for investigation. 
5. 
   

Common Judicial Concerns Regarding AI:

1. Fabricated Case Law: Generative AI tools (like ChatGPT) can create convincing-looking case citations that are entirely made up, misleading the court.
2. Lack of Verification: Judges emphasized that legal professionals and litigants have an "irresponsible" or "reckless" reliance on AI if they do not verify the output.
3. Misleading the Court: Using AI-generated avatars or drafted papers without disclosure is seen as failing to meet the professional expertise required by the justice system.
4. Contempt of Court: In some jurisdictions, the use of fake AI-generated cases has led to warnings of contempt of court or perverting the course of justice, which can carry severe penalties. 
5. 
   

Legal Community Response:

Courts, including those in the UK, India, and various US states, are warning that while AI can be a useful tool, it is no substitute for human expertise. Judges are increasingly enforcing stricter verification standards and, in some cases, banning the use of AI for legal research.

Braden offers this link.

How AI is Exposing Our Dark Desires

https://analyticsindiamag.com/ai-trends/how-ai-exposing-our-dark-desires-the-worlds-end/

 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”

 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.  For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:38-40

What are we to take from this? What does Jesus mean by the highlighted above?

Over 100 verses preaching the importance of payer; 

“the parents believe healing comes from God and that they never expected their daughter to die as they prayed for her and summoned others to do the same”. A central Wisconsin couple who prayed rather than seeking medical care for their 11-year-old dying daughter were sentenced to six months in jail and 10 years probation in the girl's death. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/07/couple-sentenced-daughter-prayer-death

December 14 2019.

Church attempts resurrection of a dead two year old child, through Prayer

“We have a precedent” said Pastor Bill, “Jesus raised the dead”.

He said “there was no time limit on how much longer the prayers and singing would continue, but added that the child remained at the county coroner's office”.

Interesting that Jesus also commanded any one that followed him to:

“Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give”. Matthew 10:7-8 .

They appear to have done everything by the book too:

“'Since that night, and at the continued request of the Heiligenthal family, Bethel Church has hosted prayer and worship gatherings which consist of singing and prayer,' the church said in a statement”.

Interesting it is that the bible informs its adherents to continue praying! And to “never give up”. Luke 18.

The baby’s funeral was eventually held December22.

What happened here ? “Ye of little faith” or the wrong faith?

It appears that the only thing “raised” during this whole sad sorry saga was $62,000 (“unforeseen expenses”) via a GoFundMe page. I can hear Pastor Bill sermonising Acts 2:45 as I write.

Members of the Followers of Christ Church whose members rely on prayer and had prayed for their sick newborn baby instead of taking her to the hospital are charged with murder. “The infant died just hours after she was born”. This couple was expecting twins, one had already died at birth and they prayed to god and Jesus that the other would survive. It didn’t.

“Dale and Shannon HIckman, were convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to six years in prison for the death of their newborn infant.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/oregon-parents-prayer-daughter-dies-arrested-charged-murder-a7777646.html

In all of three cases (and many more) every single religious grieving parent was denied what they asked for in their payers.

WTF happened!!?

Was it because these grieving faithful parents “babbled far too much” ?Matthew 6:7

Debby wrote:Paul the Apostle did not call the first five books of the Bible (the Torah/Pentateuch) "crap" or "rubbish."

HERE>> https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion/posts/qf/gods-mercy-and-impressions-of-non-believers-god-cant-win?page=1&comment_number=11

Stephen wrote: Are you sure about that?

The Torah (/ˈtɔːrə, ˈtoʊrə/; Biblical Hebrew: תּוֹרָה‎ Tōrā, "Instruction", "Teaching" or "Law") is the compilation of the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, namely the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

These 5 books are believed to contain all the rules, regulations, laws and statutes of god. So why is it that these laws are considered to be " shit" by some authors of the New Testament ?

In Revelation 22:18-19 we are warned that no man should add to or take away what is written.

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book".

Its so much easier and quicker these day to research just about anything. Long gone are the days of swatting for hours in libraries, were as nowadays just click of a mouse will do the heavy lifting for you with reasonably good results.

So can I suggest that you click yours and lets see if that stern warning was adhered to by the Gospel writers or the Church leaders and followers of the church ?

Well right off the bat we can seen that the resurrection storey in Mark was a much later "added to" and there is not a single biblical scholar that will deny this.

What was or "taken away from" John's gospel? Well only the immaculate conception and birth of Jesus - king of the Jews - the Messiah, lord and saviour of all mankind himself.

If we research extrabiblical theological material we can find that the raising of Lazarus from the dead back to life is also an addition.

Revelation22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book".

Simply put into plain understandable English ; do not change ,alter, taken away or add to this book from what is write in this book. Or tamper with it in anyway.

So the question is; does this warning apply to everything that is written in the BIBLE?

It appears that the most popular is the King James' Version. According to Wiki and a few other sources.

I have found this to be the case myself from speaking with devout christens but they can never explain why only to say that they - "trust it".

Jesus ,the bible says , was resurrected a flesh and blood man.

So how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?

 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”  After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. John 20:19-20. NIV

Ok. How did our boy wonder achieve this feat?

.....then the who put them into the mouth of the Christ?

Equal then not equal

 John 10:30 " I and the Father are one".  

John 14:28 “ I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" .

I judge then I don't judge 

John 5:22 , 30. " Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just".

John 8:15   " You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.

John 12:47 " I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

I am my own witness and it is true. Then It is not true.

John 8:14 “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going".

John 5:31  “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true.

John 33-34  “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved.

John 15:27 "And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

Before the default excuse of "CONTEXT!" is raised, let me draw your attention to the fact that these verses are all from the same gospel. 

And if they are not in "CONTEXT!" then anyone is welcome to put these contradictions into "CONTEXT! for us showing us all how they make perfect sense when they are read in "context" . 

After all of the witnessing of “miracles & wonders” by hundreds of thousands of Jewish people and hundreds of thousands more hearing those wonderful sermons about selling your worldly goods to give “poor” and buy swords, it appears that the short minded and forgetful Jews still couldn’t recognise a “messiah” when they seen and heard one in action. Or could they?

The crowds, we are told were so desperate to watch this man Jesus work his miracles and wonders that they would climb trees to get just a glimpse of him or cut holes in the roof of the house just to get a better view and be nearer to him. Mark3:20 – Mark4:1 – Luke 7:11 – Luke 8:19 Luke 12:1. Thousands upon thousands had also travelled long distances too:

 “many people came to him from Judea, Jerusalem, Idumea, and the regions across the Jordan and around Tyre and Sidon”. Mark 3:7-9

And it is said that just a glimpse of Jesus was enough to have the Jews“overwhelmed with wonder” and clamouring to greet him”. Mark9:14

So to say he was `held in high esteem` doesn't even cover it does it.

How then could it all suddenly be forgotten by thousands of people that had witnessed Jesus healing the sick and making dead people alive again on so many occasions? What about all those wedding guests that he had kept in booze all day, John2:1-11, had even they too forgot this “miracle”?

Where were the five thousand and the four thousand that had heard the sermons spoken by the “son of god” himself and who had fed every single one of them? Matthew 14:13-21, Matthew 15:29-39.

Pilate asked them, "Which one do you want me to release to you: Jesus Barabbas, or Jesus who is called the Messiah?" Matthew27:17;

“Barabbas,”they answered. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!? 

Luke23:25 offers a little more information by telling us that:

“He released the man [Barabbas] who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, but he delivered Jesus over to their will”.

So these ungrateful Jews- those he had actaully been sent so save - it appears, preferred it that a murder was let loose amongst them to run the streets. 

Why then did the multitude of Jews choose the murdering zealot Jesus Barabbas over the son of god and prince of peace Jesus the Messiah?Jesus after all, was the messiah allegedly prophesied about in the OT and recognise to be the messiah by non other than John the Baptist about whom the bible says was: “the greatest prophet that was ever born of woman” Matthew11:

Was it a case of Right or Wrong Choice? Or just another made up story ?

Oh and lets us not forget, some of those people may have been Christians too, when we consider that a few members here on this forum insist that there were Christians in Jesus' time.

The Christians dogma still,to this day, insist that there was and is, only ever has been, only one god. This is a lie and the odd thing about their insistence is that their own scriptures state to the contrary.

Why is it that they have settled on the preferred idea of an omnipotent and everlasting single, male god?

When we actually look at the biblical text we see that even the Judeo/Christian bible says that god was not alone I his environment. I am sure many now are familiar with this verse that blows the Christian dogma of “only one god” clean out of the water.

 And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness: Genesis 1:26

And there is the famous and no getting away from, Psalm 82 that clearly states;

Psalm 82

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.....

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

And there is the commandment where god refers again to other gods:

Exodus.20:3

 “You shall have no other gods before me”.

Genesis 11:7

“ let US go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

Psalm 95:3

 For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods.

Psalm 135:5

For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods.

This is not to mention that these gods had families; sons of gods when descended to earth and took the daughters of men as wives..

And there are many occasions in the bible where one god is ordering the death of those who have or are supporters of other gods.

Deuteronomy 6:14-16

 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

15 (For The Lord thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

16 Ye Shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

So it's plain to see that there are other gods who were without doubt recognised and acknowledged by the Hebrew/ Judeo/Christian god. And this Hebrew./Judeo/Christian god is a self confessed “jealous god” and would kill and make to suffer for generations anyone who preferred one of these other gods to him.

 Who will deny this pluralism?Well Christians of course.

The usual Christian Reasoning is either to say that the “us " is the Trinity or that it is a heavenly assembly of angels.

 But can we really believe that the original audience for Genesis would understand the strictly Christian conception of an idea that had its roots in Rome thousands of years after? And the scripture doesn’t mention an “assembly of angels” but an assembly of “gods” plural

I didn't ask anyone to die for my crimes or sins or misdemeanours.

By all accounts, and after all the claims made by Christians of humans having “free will” someone did take it upon themselves and committed suicide on my behalf and I didn’t have a say in the matter.

And the idea that I would ask or want anyone to suffer for my crimes or sins is abhorrent and it appals me. Neither my brother nor Jesus is my keeper. And I will suffer and    `bare my own cross, '  as it is I that am responsible for my own actions.  

But who does the bible say is responsible for our crimes/sins?

The bible seems to suggest we alone are responsible. Deuteronomy11:16 “ take heed of yourself”.

And when the omnipotent lord God himself, he having unlimited power, appears to be unable to locate Able asks his brother;

Genesis4; 9  “Where is Abel your brother?”

He said, “I do not know. Am I my brother's keeper?

“Am I my brother's keeper?”

Is this to say that I am not responsible for anyone but myself, my actions and my own behaviour?

 Nowhere will we find a single reference where Jesus admits to his inner circle of coming to specifically do die for their sins. There are a few verses that could be crowbarred into suggesting that he did as much, such as John 3:16, but it will be a struggle to squeeze these words into the mouth of Jesus and sins are not even mentioned, only belief. 

I find it appalling that someone is said to have taken responsibility for something I am alleged to have done and had suffered what the scriptures describe as the most vicious, cruel and sadistic death ever dreamed up by humans, voluntarily!

I find also applauding that someone had taken it upon themselves to actually “sacrifice” themselves without my knowledge or consent! On my behalf.

Wouldn’t they - the believer- also be appalled and find it abhorrent if someone just took it upon themselves to take responsibility for their own sins, crimes and mistakes and sacrificed themselves via an horrific death?

And as an afterthought:

We notice too that god doesn’t address Cain's reply of responsibility but exiles him for his crime of murdering his brother. Cain complains at gen 4:14 that “it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me.” but it is never explained who will actually kill Cain considering there were only four humans on the planet at the time of the murder and with them now being a man down leavening only three?

Jesus's tempter was Satan/ the Devil we are told.

Mathew4:1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

Right off the bat this story falls apart if it is to be taken literally? Because immediately the “devil” begins his test by saying;

4:3“If you are the Son of God.” [?]command that these stones be made bread”.

When that didn’t go down as the devil thought it might, he had another go:

4:6 “If thou be the Son of God” [?] cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee”….

When this didn’t appear to bare fruit, the devil changed tactics by trying a bribe.

Mathew4: 8 Again,the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me”.

IF!? It appears then that the devil didn't even know who Jesus was.

It should be noticed too that, just like there was no witness to the conversation between Pilate and Jesus, or Nicodemus and Jesus, here too there wasn’t a single witness to this meeting in the desert, so how do the gospel writers know what was said? I do hope the Christians here will explain that for us?

Anyway, Jesus, you may not be surprised, refused the bribe and passed the test! And why wouldn’t he have? He was god and the son of god also wasn’t he, and everybody knew it didn’t they………. accept the devil it seems.

So how come that old devil Satan didn’t even recognise god when he seen him!?

After all, didn’t he exist with all the other heavenly beings even before mankind?   Doesn’t Luke's gospel speak of Satan falling from that heavenly abode? Luke 10:18

Didn't god once tell Satan to his face that he would be on his belly eating dirt for the rest of his days? Genesis3:14

We know too that the devil had wagered face to face with god that ended with in the deaths of all of Jobs 10 children. Job1:6-7. (Christians have never explained how it came pass that Satan came to be “walking here and there”, roaming around the earth.” after being sentenced to crawl and eat dirt for ever?)

How is it that the “demon” calling himself legion recognised god/son of god and Satan didn’t?  “He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Mark5:7

It appears that this ambiguous story of Satan testing god is beyond absurd, it is outright stupidity at its worst that only a child or the cretinous adult would believe.

I have heard a few reasons as to why god is said to have become flesh and not once have I been able to understand why this "incarnation" had to happen and even why it should be believed.

So why is that Christians believe it?

 What kind of mother would go joyously bounding off in jubilation and excitement to tell her cousin the "good news" that she was going to have a baby from god that was going to be hunted down, betrayed and arrested and put on trial,  and then beaten senseless then sentenced to death by being nailed to a wooden cross, speared between the ribs and left to die an agonising death? 

There are few passages from John gospel that only suggest that Jesus is god.

The other gospel refer to him as being only a "son of god" which is nothing more than a title of those ancient times, and today as a matter of fact. Indeed, the whole nation of Israel were said by god to be his own and special children.  Also Jesus is clearly called  the "son of man". So who is making Jesus out to be a god?

Why are the other gospels silent on the matter of Jesus being a god? Apart from the so called "resurrection", doesn't Christianity rest on this ambiguous claim.

Matthew 5:44.  But I say unto you, Love your enemies.

Matthew 5:39.  Turn the other cheek.

Luke 6:27.  Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you.

Ephesians 4:32.  Forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace.

Matthew 6:12-14 And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us........

..............and on and on it goes, love and forgive, love and forgive. . That is until we get to Judas, where we read from the lips of Jesus god himself his dire warning of vengeance.:

"BUT WOE TO THE MAN BY WHOME THE SON OF MAN IS BETRAYED! GOOD WERE IT FOR THAT MAN IF HE HAD NEVR BEEN BORN". [ now hurry up and betray me Judas,quickly] Mark 14:21

We can just feel and see the warm compassion and forgiveness in those words of vengeance can't we?  We can also see all those verses about Love and forgiveness go flying clean out of the window too.

Acceptable to Christians that this vengeful warning may be, and as contradictory to the fluffy nature that the scriptures attempt to portray Jesus to be, Christians have to realise that everything that Judas did, was all preordained by god himself , if we are to believe all the prophecies were being carried out. According to Christians and the Bible, this is what " must" happen and Jesus "spoke plainly " about what "must "happen too. Mark 8:31-32. So why the vengeful threat towards Judas, who didn't seem to flinch at the thought of the woe's that awaited him?  

We can pick up the story at the last supper where Jesus announces in his usual cryptic fashion that he is about to be betrayed by one of those that dips his bread in the dinner bowel.  Which at that point could have been any of them considering this is how a meal was eaten in those times, ie. everyone dipping bread into the same bowl of what ever was on offer.

The protests of "not me Lord" "who is it Lord" and " I would never do that to you Lord " are aplenty . Then-we read that Satan entering Judas and Jesus instructing Judas to go do what he is about to do and to do it quickly.John 13:27. All preordained see. So why the vengeful threat to his betrayer?

As an aside:

Odd isn't it that no one present asked why Judas was leaving the party at night in the dark. There are various excuses made for Judas' sudden disappearance but as usual they simply don't stack up. It is said some thought he was going to buy supplies for the supper, ....that they had already eaten.

But among those things that should stand out is the fact that Satan has entered Judas...... and no one recognised it!? Do the heavily relied on Old Testament for prophecies mention anything about Satan being involved in Jesus' betrayal? NO. The only 'prophecy' that is said to foretell of the betrayal that has been latched onto is Zechariah 11:12-13.

So here we have Judas being warned about doing what he is about to do, and on Jesus` word he goes out into the night to do what he had been instructed to do. But he will wish he had never been born when he does so.  

Why hadn't a single one of those present recognized a demon when they seen one and cast him out?  nearly 100 of his disciples had only recently been bragging about how they had cast out demons after being endowed with superpowers. Luke 10:17

And nowhere, in the whole of the scriptures will anyone read of anyone praying for love and the forgiveness of Judas...............Or Satan, come to think of it.