Thoth

Helz did not claim Nitrogen in our chat.

Which isn't true, I was just baiting

Not sure what the thinking is here, but I'll cover Thoth when he specifies what's informing his read.

I told Helz that I could winshare with scum if they killed me before DP4 and was willing to cooperate. He declined.

I will add more later tonight (although I admit to not having delivered every time I've said that), but for now I'm just going to say that, if Helz flips scum here, he is the most devious and mind-reading motherfucker to ever mafiate. He is completely off the table from my perspective.

Mikal and Magic have flipped. Thoth was sheeping Helz (poor decision). That leaves Helz and Shining.

From T!Bullish's perspective, "Thoth sheeping Helz" could be a cover for a Thoth/Helz scum team. Writing me out of PoE for being a lemming comes off to me as not bothering to try to mislynch me since he knows Helz won't support it.

Has Helz at any point provided their full claim publicly? Because he keeps saying he has and I haven’t seen it. If not, I can’t think of a reason for either of you to hold back on it at this point.

Not sure. I think he claimed more about his role than he said publicly. Maybe. I will ISO him to check when I am on my computer.

I’ve been very, very tempted to lie about my role so I can increase the chance that I can use it, but whiteflame is right that there’s no room for error here, and any lie could backfire hard. I am Soldier. Justification is that oganesson can always outweigh the last scum because it is the heaviest element ever discovered by atomic mass.

Did Helz full claim to you?

Yes

Kohai wrote:

Thoth wrote:

I would say I want to jump in, but white men can't jump, so just /in

Waaa that's a wacist stereotype. Mods please ban!

/joke

I would say I want to jump in, but white men can't jump, so just /in

I will try to post more in a couple hours, but for now I am leaning towards lynching Mikal.

First, this will require us to take a closer look at Helz. I was not the only one who was reading him as town in part because he was the only claimed protective role. Now we have another.

God forbid that a thirteen-player game have two protectives.

Mag1cman wrote:

Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.

The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.

I'm buying this justification. It's reachy but not too reachy, which fits with the others that have flipped so far.

whiteflame wrote:

So it's been completely inactive all previous nights?

Yes

Could it have been activated previously?

No

And there is a good reason for me to not claim.

It is passive, it has not been triggered yet, and it will not be triggered until something specific happens.

I'm going to feel like a retard and a half if I turn out to be wrong about Helz, but at this point I feel like I need someone to trust.

Well, this has been a disaster so far, but I think we have a good chance of taking it back.

I know this won’t help the perception of my claim as a stall tactic, but, after learning my role, I still think it's best that I don't claim. I'd like to put that up for a vote if I'm going to be a lynch consideration today.

Ftr I don’t care about OGI, I just get the sense the mod, if they had a rule against it they were trying to enforce, would give scum greater leniency.

That’s an interesting take. Not something I thought of, but I agree. I’m not sure I agree with Pie’s modkill of Lunatic, but Luna should have at least asked Pie before core-dumping his PM.

VTL: Casey_Risk

Bullish is right in #174, from what I can see, that him/Casey/Mikal is symmetrical, so to speak, in that any lynch in that troika today confirms a scum. I think Mikal is a reasonable choice out of the three.

I am honestly willing to sheep Helz at this point. Wherever he votes, there I vote also.

Because of something he said in our chat that I don't want to reveal here.

Helz is town. If he's not town, I will be astounded. If I flip town, please consider Helz townlock.

When we hit Bullish it will confirm if casey is telling the truth.

From our perspective, only the Casey flip will confirm that.

Do y'all have much experience playing with Bullish to compare this game to? How long has he been around?

Mikal wrote:

David was commenting on much how it comes up in games so yeeted it i think. Figured jt was him or savang

But the only reason why I play Mafia is to get likes on my fluffposts

Hey, where's the like button?

I am leaning slightly towards Casey if only because we get a good result either way: if scum, we caught scum; if town, we confirm their Dreamer PoE. I won’t object to a Bullish lynch based on current information, though.

I don’t want to reveal what all Helz and I have said in our chat, but I will say that I consider him town beyond a reasonable doubt, and I think that y’all would too if you saw our chat.

I wonder if Banana thought exactly one of Helz and I is scum and wanted to see if we would slip in a private chat.

I will bring up again that there is a small but non-zero chance that my hidden ability visited Casey, but I think the chance is small enough that it probably shouldn't affect our reads.