Two roleblockers is bastard, especially when scum's roleblocker only helps scum but town's roleblocker helps as well as hinders town.
Disagree. Jailkeeper is a powerful role, and if scum have a roleblocker, we don't know what limitations they have. That aside, I don't think it's considered necessarily bastard to have two of the same role on different teams.
I will say that, if Shining flips Jailkeeper, I'm still going to believe there's a scum roleblocker or redirector. I don't think my role is just negative utility.
Thoth’s claim kind of locks Shining as my pick. I need to read that more but after his claim I think I’m set on Shining.
I won't disagree, but, if Shining is a scum roleblocker, that leaves open the question of what Luna's Informed Townie was talking about. It could just be Cerulean being a Gravedigger and scum having a Ninja, like people were speculating. If Shining flips scum, I'm counting that as a few towncred points for Cerulean unless we've seen a better explanation for Luna's info.
I'd be curious who lore-lords, if we have any left, think is a plausible third-party.
Masonizer is town-aligned by definition because Masons are town by definition. Neighborizer, which creates a private chat that can be either temporary or permanent, can be any alignment.
Yeah. So I could nullify the protection part of Jailkeeper or the roleblock part, but not both at once.
So reflecting back on this, you can't nullify a protective but you could prevent the Jailkeeper from roleblocking scum
I meant that I could nullify the Jailkeeper's protection if I Strengthened the scum who performed the NK and the Jailkeeper protected the NK target.
Can you ask WF what happens if you strengthen someone who's been Jailkept
The Strengthener's target would be immune to roleblocks that night, but the Jailkeeper would still protect them.
But I also don't think Mafia games are ever allowed to be easy, unless I'm wolfing.
"We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard." John F. Kennedy
Obviously this is far from a guarantee, but it would not surprise me if the theme were Noho Hank and Christobal. They are lovers according to Lunatic's list in day 1, post #44, and it stands out to me that they are both unclaimed but in Lunatic's shortlist.
What is the take away assuming this is referring to Thoth? "Lol, you can nullify a RB"? Thats something you just know from the PM. Thats how your role works.
Assuming something to be true is very different from entertaining the possibility that it could be true. I'm saying that Luna's Informed Townie message MIGHT have been talking about the possible interaction between my role and yours. I knew from the start of the game how my role worked. I did not know there was a Jailkeeper.
Again, I thoroughly apologize to everyone for my low activity level. I think I have to claim, even if it's only to get out of the grave I dug (no offense to Cerulean) for myself by being inactive.
I am Barry Berkman, Strengthener. Each night, I can choose a player and make their action immune to blocks or redirects. Justification is that Barry got other people tangled into his misadventures with the criminal underworld, which led them into committing acts that they would not have done otherwise. Last night, I used it on Wryly because she was my strongest townread.
The reason I thought Lunatic's Informed Townie message about someone's role being a greater nuisance than they know might refer to me is because I could override Shining's Jailkeeper. When I got my role PM, I figured that my role was in this setup to counter a scum roleblocker or redirector of some kind. There probably is one in the setup because I don't think my role is purely negative utility, especially not with Cerulean likely being a Gravedigger, but I didn't know that, if I targeted a mafiosi, I could potentially nullify a town roleblocker and/or a town protective.
Firstly, I apologize to everyone for my absence. Chronic health problems are to blame. Y'all know I would not lie about that.
That aside, I don't have any solid scumreads. Gun to my head, probably Vader. I have a bad gutread on Pie over end-of-day yesterday, but the points he made about why he went in that direction all make sense to me, and that also means I can't really scumread Rex or Shining for finishing the job. It looks like if one of Rex or Wryly is scum, then the other is also, and I can't really imagine that duo tying themselves so closely since it means Wryly would be the auto-lynch if Rex flips scum. Neither of them are known for taking risks. I guess that leaves Vader as my main FoS.
I'm not full-claiming yet. I'm softing that my character knows how to use a gun and that I think there's a moderate possibility that Lunatic's Informed Townie statement was talking about me. The reason I say that is because the extra nuisance from my role isn't as obvious as the Gravedigger/Ninja combo I think Lunatic would have figured out immediately, even without proof of a Ninja.
Genuinely how is a Dreamer role confirmable? 🤦♂️
I really hope Kohai didn't mean that he was going to confirm his role by posting a Dreamer list.
I am here and am catching up on the thread now
I angleshoot Post #103 as something that would have been asked in scum chat.
Not buying that. You can ask the mod questions in DMs.
Tbf, this seems like some shit you'd pull for towncred after furiously @-ing him in scum chat for hours on end.
unvote, nvm I think if rex was scum his partner would be pinging him by now.
That's assuming that Rex is around to be pinged. I dunno how it is for y'all, but if I'm getting your pings, I'm able to participate anyway, and if I'm not able to participate then I'm not getting your pings.
Were you in the game where Mikal was angleshooting?
90-00's nostalgia?
Unvote
VTL Rex
So if the Cop checks you, you show up as the opposite of what a Miller would show???
What are you even saying?
Why would a Godfather claim Miller? If they get checked, they would show as Town, opposite of how a Miller would check. The only reason I can think of why a Godfather would claim Miller is in hopes that someone would check them and they could WIFOM some concern about a redirector.
I agree with this logic. Could be lazy town, but not really an excuse.
Here's a little lesson in trickery
This is going down in history
If you wanna be a villain number one
You have to chase a superhero on the run
VTL Cerulean
For lack of a better choice. We gotta lynch someone and it might as well be the SOP-claimant.
The problem I have with this is if there’s a cop and a godfather there’s almost certainly a miller. If the miller CC’s it’s good night for the mafia.
My question is what kind of monster would include a godfather in a setup where the player count almost guarantees two scum. What good is half a cop?
Why would it be a waste? It’s good play. Imagine if you’re a scum godfather. You know there’s a cop or something similar. It’s worth it to ask about a Miller and SOP claim that immediately
So if the Cop checks you, you show up as the opposite of what a Miller would show???
In my previous post, I assumed that Cerulean is male. I apologize if this was incorrect, and will try to avoid making such unwarranted assumptions in the future.
I’m willing to lend ceru a bit of a town cred for the miller claim sure
Did he explicitly claim Miller? From what I recall, he could have meant Gravedigger or, much less likely, a custom role.
My spitball is police/detectives (Mafia) vs. not (Town).
Theme splits are up to the game host and don't have to be obvious or even be characters who would normally be working together. This is the first whiteflame game I've played in, so I'm curious what modpsych suggests here.
The reason this is usually read as town is because scum who do it risk a counterclaim, so while it has rewards for them it also has risks. The incredibly vague way that Ceru claimed eliminates that risk of a counterclaim, so I don't see how it warrants a town read.
It's unlikely but possible that scum used at least one of their questions on a SOP-claim role to set that up.
I prefer free speech.
Eh. You have to look at free speech on a spectrum. I don't think it would fly on here if someone were wildly slinging slurs, especially not the N word and the bundle-of-sticks slur. That's what this site looks like to them.
