Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 6:45 PM (post #57)
Oh shit. Check this out-
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3p/solo-leveling---day-phase-3?commentId=69dc0abcf1ca45e4130c77c3
Here is the end game
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/4a/solo-leveling-endgame
So this is what I was talking about. And it was Mag1c that did it. Said over and over and over to town pushing that I was scum and people just followed the rhetoric and nobody cared to verify even as I called out again and again that they have never even made any points as to why I was scum. They (as scum) shoved through my misslynch.
I am not sure exactly what you are getting at by linking to this?
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:37 PM (post #237)
Don't want to give away what it is, but technically yes.
I probably should have rephrased that. I meant to ask if you were told whether or not you would get a chance to use your role if you had one. So an order of operations question
Did you at least get a chance to use your role last night before vanillaization?
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:29 PM (post #230)
Again, lack of announcement. Silencing comes with mod confirmation in the OP. Blackmailing comes with nothing. Faking it yields the same result as actually doing it, assuming the mod even allows a scum player to Blackmail another scum player.
Oh ok. I thought you were saying that blackmailing and silencing were two words for the same ability and it's mod discretion whether they announce it or not.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:25 PM (post #225)
Blackmailing =/= Silencing. It wasn’t announced so they could just fake it if that was the aim and get exactly the same result.
Que es la diferencia?
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 10:24 PM (post #222)
Vanillaizers are quite common around here and didn’t want to take the risk of not being able to confirm my role
They are not super common and I don't know why you would feel the need to mention that role out of all the other roles that occasionally pop up on here.
Kohai's #246 yesterday is now supermassive TMI
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #213)
Assuming for now that the Blackmail is fake, I'd have a hard time believing that Helz is scum. He's drawn a great deal of attention to it, I think he'd at least be more equivocal on the possibility of me vs. Mag1c than he has been, and I just don't see a world in which that team decides to go for it on this kind of claim, particularly not with the whole "this is a bastard mechanic" framing.
Assuming the Blackmail is real, it's possible that Helz is scum, but he's obviously not paired with Mag1c.
So yeah, at this point, I can understand unpairing the two of them at this point. If they are paired, Helz is hard bussing his partner and it seems entirely unnecessary to go this hard.
Silencing yourself or a teammate for WIFOM is a thing
Actually it may have only been once, in Mag1c's K-Pop Demon Hunters game
I've seen silencer twice on here before that I can recall, and both times the host said that player X was silenced. Leaving it non-host confirmed makes it more interesting imo
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:07 PM (post #209)
Yeah. Pretty much the long and short of it. I do not see any world where its possible for game balance that scum has both unless some townie has some crazy God level powers.
Pie helped balance this game and he is probably the strongest player who's been on this site for a long time, so read into that what you will.
In response to whiteflame's #12, I disagree in principle with criticizing the balance of an ongoing game. I've learned by hosting games that what you think is unbalanced sometimes turns out not to be once you know the entire setup.
Why did you say in #37 that Helz/Mag1c are never a team? I agree with Lunatic that this whole post comes off as super tunnelly, just excluding entire teams based on gutreads.
Have you ever seen a Town Vanillaizer?
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:02 PM (post #194)
Where have you beeeen all day?
Inside my house, I ain't going out into a hurricane
Oh god, I discovered the Follow button earlier and I come back to see 128 notifications
At least I have power back temporarily so I can use my computer, which helps
Reading up now
I just read up and have some commentary to make, but a few things to do in real life first.
Heads up: I am straight in the path of Hurricane Isaias, so there is a decent chance I will lose power for a while. I should still be able to play through cellular connection.
I disagree that nobody would want to play against a computer
Must have been an accident
You were pinged by that?
VTL Shining
Just to be sure
Gotcha, thought you were saying that killing a scum would remove their ability to perform 1 night kill
Yeah, but I think you were generally agreeing with Kohai, so I was in effect responding to both of you.
hundreds or * thousands
Unless it's a really big commission I guess
I can't stand anti-AI arguments. "oh boohoo it devalues art and discourages artists from becoming artists." YES. YES IT DOES. THAT IS WHAT TECHNOLOGY DOES. AUTOMATION IS GOOD. I don't give a fuck that an artist is out of a job if I can save myself hundreds of thousands of dollars on a commission using ChatGPT. You have no place in the economy unless you can outperform AI enough that your service is worth the extra money. You have gone the way of many other jobs before. Suck it up and get over it.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/8/2026 at 3:18 PM (post #425)
Yeah. AI slop really degrades debate quality. Beck in the DDO days yesterday u actually had to think and put effort into your arguments and do your own research
It's changed the way people engage with debate for sure. There's little sense that you actually need to dig for information, and a lot of people just take what AI search results say at face value, which is sometimes wrong or at least incomplete. It's a frustrating change of pace to be sure.