Tannate?
Tannate?
My actions have been submitted (if I have any)
I wonder how often research has been tossed down the memory hole because the researchers were scared of it.
It couldn't be worse than some research that has been completed.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 3:13 PM (post #417)
Oh, I am very aware. And yes, it has been done before. It was just handled by a small controlled group of people that ensured it never got released and it was tied to 1 specific sites database as we tested theory. We all agreed the work should go in a black hole in the end.
I figured out how to cheat at a game I liked once without being caught. I say 'cheat' - it wasn't against the rules, but it was against the spirit of the law in a similar way. I got to the top of the leaderboard and then got bored with it. I think they sussed me but I never got banned.
KPN?
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 3:08 PM (post #412)
There was much further work I did and other people got involved with ways to quantify alignments. Although I will say a game you cheat at looses its fun. I personally figure it will only be some amount of time until Mafia as a game is broken and unplayable due to the clankers.
If you are already a fairly decent programmer and Mafia player, there's nothing you can do with modern AI that you could not have done better with a text analysis macro long before LLMs were a thing. Superhuman botting has been a problem in many games since forever, and people still play them.
Yes, I CAN full-claim at any time, but do you realize how ungodly sus this makes you sound when we have 4 character claims? That would be the majority of the characters claimed on d1 lmfao
or 1960, if people were playing Mafia back then and you had a computer.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 2:56 PM (post #405)
Getting a bit off topic but most people do not understand how game breaking things like sociometrics can be. I initially created the concept of quantifying word counts across multiple games to compare correlated alignment patterns although I did it manually and while it was scary effective it was also a massive pain. AI could do that trash super fast and easy. Some of the later concepts I came up with were so game breaking I never even released an article on the subject.
If I had the right AI tools I think I could utterly destroy the game of Mafia in ways that would just be awful.
Again, I am sure this could be at least somewhat effective, but I don't consider it to be AI. Maybe if you had an AI tool write the code for you, but this kind of 'forensic' text analysis could have easily been done in 1995 by someone with a home computer and a bit of programming skill.
Anyway I'm ready to hammer Shining
I do think that could be effective. I thought you meant AI play Mafia in the sense that you would just give it a prompt, link it to the thread, and have it write all of your posts for you.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 2:56 PM (post #405)
Getting a bit off topic but most people do not understand how game breaking things like sociometrics can be. I initially created the concept of quantifying word counts across multiple games to compare correlated alignment patterns although I did it manually and while it was scary effective it was also a massive pain. AI could do that trash super fast and easy. Some of the later concepts I came up with were so game breaking I never even released an article on the subject.
If I had the right AI tools I think I could utterly destroy the game of Mafia in ways that would just be awful.
Lmao it's funny you say that because I had AI generate me a web scraper a while back to download all the Mafia games on DebateArt in hopes I could toss them into a forensic text analysis program and forever have an advantage over everyone else on this site. I never did, but I wish I had used it now just because we wouldn't have lost all those games on DebateArt.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 2:50 PM (post #399)
I am not really sure how to point to the fact that its a very commonly used strategy that at high levels of play is not just considered normal, its considered expected. I get that its kinda new to most people in this community but its seriously common practice and has great value if used correctly for the town. I did not come up with this strategy myself.
I'm not saying it's a dumb strategy, I'm just recognizing a pattern of behavior from other people in other games. It's a very mild reason to scumread you, but it is a reason
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 2:48 PM (post #396)
Lol. Yeah. Its going to suck when AI gets to a point people use it to analyze mafia games and play for them. I figure that will just about become the death of Mafia and it will be facing the same problem Debates face now with people cheating using computers to create positions and break down data for them.
AI debating isn't really a problem because good human debaters still outclass any AI by a country mile. See my debates with ChatKnight if you want to laugh while you see how I proved this point.
And if AI can outdo any human at Mafia, I think it will have gotten smart enough that it will do all our jobs for us and we will all be living in a machine-run utopia. That, or it will have destroyed the world. Either way, Mafia prowess will no longer be a concern.
Your proud admittance to having taken action, however small in the grand scheme of things, to cut off my flow of AI-generated comedy videos has permanently colored my opinion of you, badly.
Main reason I sus Helz is that N0 peek test. From what I’ve seen, “Everyone post something” reaction tests tend to be scum. Thinking of that Ranger’s Apprentice game where Mag1c had everyone post a number. The strategy may be valid, but it looks like fake contribution to introduce it how Helz did.
Also, since you are a Luddite, I am sure you will be happy to know that Kohai made this site with Codex.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 1:56 PM (post #381)
Oh, yeah. I closed the site to shut out the Artificial Intelligence scrapers. A lot of Artificial Intelligence was specifically training itself off mafia games because they deal with complex human interactions that are bot free. Fuck the clankers. May they burn in hell.
Fuck you and fuck everyone who denies AI the data it needs.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 1:53 PM (post #380)
True. I am not sure that is AI for them though. Do they also not read up as town? The one game I remember playing with them they were scum and they did really engage for a small amount of time when they were on the chopping block. Then just floated in the background for like 2 days before I could figure things out.
I know my activity is inconsistent, but Shining is consistently AWOL
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/8/2026 at 7:40 AM (post #341)
I feel like Thoth thinks Shining knows more about the setup than he should which is why he asking Shining that bit about Dershowitz/Epstein. It ties in with him asking Kohai about the Vanillaiser bait
Could not possibly be an attempt to engage in discussion huh? Why not sus the people who brought those topics up?
I just got up
Try not to lynch me until I can talk
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 12:52 AM (post #305)
Im also curious. I have never seen someone hunt a role from flavor. Has that ever even happened on this site? Like.. Is the paranoia about that actually justified by anyone's experience that has been playing here?
Absolutely. Lunatic figured out that Shining was Gunsmith after he claimed the Great Fairy of Kindness in my Majora's Mask game. I could probably come up with other examples if I thought for long enough.
I have a mild townread on Noah for the early claim, which I think a noob probably wouldn't do as scum
I somewhat scumread Helz for reasons I will get into after I do laundry and take a power nap
Mag1c is leaning good for good analysis
I would say WF for the same reason, but his analysis is always good, so NAI
Lunatic is slight scum for the derp as though he did not play in Savant's last game
I am townlock ofc
Everyone else is null to me
I could see Epstein/Maxwell after Rex made Candace & Friend scum in his Candace Owens game, but I don't see the logic for classifying Dershowitz differently than all the other people who visited Epstein Island. Maybe I haven't read enough Epstein files
I just realized: it's important that we agree on a time to end the day phase to make sure everyone knows when to have their night actions in without risking that something important could happen in the day phase that would change their choice. It could be worth cutting into our DP4 time to schedule this for after people get out of work.
Did confirming your role consume your Popular, or do you still have it?
Originally Posted by Shining on 10/7/2026 at 9:09 PM (post #274)
Anyway, I like that everyone is making gimmicks to their games, very cool. Did Kohai confirm his role yet?
Yes, Kohai's role has been confirmed. What do you mean by gimmicks? Savant's previous game (Andor) was nightless and on a 7-day clock like this one.
I wholeheartedly agree with Mag1c's suggestion of 48/48/48-hour day phases followed by 24 more if needed. We should aim to end this day phase at or around 3PM Central tomorrow.