Wryly
Except that it's not dubious. Isn't a Hunter = can't be recruited. Backup doctor = wants to be a healer (magical or not) and will become one someday. Close to her brother = has a shortlist of who he could be (which, if Jinwoo is winsteal 3P, would be broken as more specific than a Dreamer PoE). Just because you could dream up roles with tighter justifications doesn't mean these are stupid. And yeah, it's a mismash of utility roles, were you expecting a muggle to have a game-defining limit break?


I mean when you say it like this it almost sounds not janky. Shit, is my perspective just sus-skewed on this?

Wryly
Luna said this almost exactly word for word in the guild PM.


Oh did your WHORE say the same thing in your DIRTY DMs

Wryly

Tbh Thoth's defensiveness about the quality of his claim sounds like scum!Thoth defending his own concocted fake claim. I'd kind of expect town!Thoth to say "yeah it's dubious af but it's what I'm stuck with", like Rex did in Alien mafia.

Wryly

All right, I need to call it a night. All things considered, despite my nitpicks and shit, I'm okay with a Thoth lynch. If he flips town we at least have a Jin-woo POE. I do want to hear from Shining again, and I want to see if Airmax posts tomorrow. If he doesn't Mikal may try to replace him.

Wryly
...splitting hairs? I really don't get this. On every single one of his individual role claims, it's not just slightly off thematically. It's dramatically off. I get if Mikal is taking some liberties to apply certain roles to certain characters, but doing so this heavily three times on the same character? I don't buy it.


Specifically the bit about "she wouldn't be unrecruitable, she'd be a perma-vanilla" seemed hair splitty to me.

Wryly
I did. Like I said directly in response to it, not involving himself in the raid and being distant from the Guilds tracks with the character, but Sung Jin-woo does come to help in the end. The notion that that post automatically makes him a TP is a step further than I'd be willing to take it.


Does Jin-woo not participate in the raid, or at least initially resist participating in it, in the show?


Wryly
I would play devil's advocate against myself and say that's mild evidence of a fake-claim from me, but actually I think if you still believe my claim is bad, you haven't been listening to me.


In what world is it not a bad claim? It's a hodge-podge of auxiliary roles that have debatable thematic support.

Wryly
This is the one part I was kind of townreading earlier because I can't see a way scum would get this role and still be recruited, and it necessarily means you won't be targeted for recruitment. That being said, it doesn't fit the character at all. As others have mentioned, she's not unrecruitable, she just wouldn't be recruited. She's useless to a Guild. It would make more sense if she was just Vanilla with no roles gained on recruitment. And now it's also virtually untestable, given that neither Guild Leader is going to waste the recruitment on you.

Setting aside that a backup Doctor is new to me, it doesn't make sense that you'd become the Doctor after someone else dies. I think Luna pointed out earlier that there are actual healers in the show, people who can use abilities to heal targets. You wouldn't just inherit that simply because you're going to med school. Also, much as you said this could potentially confirm you, I don't see how unless we assume you are the sole protective role upon the death of the real Doctor.

Well, this one just doesn't help your case at all. Informed is unconfirmable, the list could be drawn randomly, and it doesn't make sense for your character. Why would you be unsure who Jin-woo is? You're his sister. It's not like he has any history of hiding from his sister in the show.


This seems a bit like splitting hairs and being uncompromising about theme-to-game adaptation.

Wryly
This is actually a good point if all of them deny being Jin-woo and he comes out as being informed we have a strong POE that we can look into.


If he flips town we definitely have a POE locked in, although I'd rather have a mafia POE.


I'm tipping dangerously toward "this claim is so bad it must be true" territory, and I want to check all the boxes and hear from Helz first.

Wryly
If that’s the case, why didn’t he reveal this at the very beginning?


He's indicated he didn't know Jin-woo might be 3P and wanted to withhold potential town information from scum.

Wryly
Explain how being a nurse and informed town go together? Like why would a nurse know this? I don’t quote buy this.


It's definitely a weird cocktail.

Wryly

Thanks.


Rex has full claimed to Lunatic and has softed that his character is "not a good guy", so I doubt it's him, assuming Rex is telling the truth and Lunatic is a good judge of character. That leaves Helz and Alyssa. If Thoth is telling the truth, one of those two could be third party. If Mikal's hint is what we interpret it to be, it could indicate the third party has either elected not to join town or mafia, as wylted's PM mixup indicates, or that the third party elected not to join the Hunters or the White Tigers.

Wryly

Can you explain what you meant by how it would "explain a lot" if Alyssa was Jin-woo? Or that that was a special case?

Wryly
Surprised I withheld information? What did you expect me to do, post my role card at the first vote?


I'm accustomed to the Informant being pretty forthcoming about their data.

Wryly
I gotta say that my opinion on Wryly has been dropping like a rock in the last few posts.


Hey, I've been trying to entertain reasonable doubt in your direction for much of the DP. But I've never heard of a doctor backup before, and I'm surprised that you withheld information.

Wryly
I have information that narrows down who Jinwoo is. Justification is that I am really close to my brother. No, not that like, you doujin-reading freaks.


And when were you going to share this? So you're a doctor backup / unrecruitable / informant? Come on that is crazy.

Wryly

For my part, I just thought you had a valid point that Shining's lack of opinion on Thoth seemed suspicious, and he was worth pressuring.

Wryly

Honestly I find your wifom persuasive. I just don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that you Thothed another fake claim. What is your other ability?

Wryly

I mean idk why you stopped being offended when you found out he was a Christian. What does it matter if the joke comes from a Christian or an atheist. The Jewish jokes here don't all come from Jews

Wryly
And you two don't think I learned from the Leprechaun backfiring spectacularly?

No. No, you don't.


I meannnnn...