Wryly

Andor Mafia DP4

Wryly · 8 months ago

On first glance it appears that way. There is no link stating “you are this because of this” but it does say I possess a wide array of skills which in hindsight is what I am assuming the justification is.


Hmm. Everyone's PM has a "therefore" or a "hence" except yours then. Doesn't mean much. My PM mentions both Luthen and Mon Mothma.


I'm just grasping at straws at this point in hopes that one of them will somehow make this not a 50/50 shot in the dark. I take it by Mago's lack of a vote that he isn't sure either, or else just wants to see this play out a bit more first. I'll be busy until later today so I'll just hammer then.

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP4

Wryly · 8 months ago

Were you the one who said their role PM didn't really have a justification, just a character and role description

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP4

Wryly · 8 months ago

I'm speculating that you watered down role cop to better harmonize with the other investigatives, but yes, it is niche

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Andor Mafia DP4

Wryly · 8 months ago

So to revisit the unenviable position I'm in, I find it hard to believe Luthen Rael isn't in the game, hard to believe Inventor and JOAT are in the game, whiteflame and Lunatic both should not have let Kohai claim Strengthener, unless they told him to for reasons, neither are mechanically confirmed, and there's a lot of wifomy shit to consider for each of them.


And honestly, would expect Bix to be in the game too.


Scum had two role questions and Lunatic has three roles, which would be a huge point in his favor if he'd claimed all three while there were still unclaimed roles on the board, but he didn't. I'm not even sure what question whiteflame would have asked to arrive at his role. "Is there a role cop in the game" maybe.


With all that, I'm leaning whiteflame. End of the day, with nothing really more to go on, Luthen is so central to the plot I just can't jibe Savant leaving him out. JOAT and Inventor are hard to believe, but so is a 1x Bomb and a 1x Martyr. I remember when I mislynched at LYLO in Chicago Bears mafia because I thought there was no way Vader put a Sensor, Tracker, and Cop in the game but no protectives. Balance analysis hath thorned mine thumb before.

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP4

Wryly · 8 months ago

I'm clocking out for the night Mago. Gonna let the wifom duel commence at dawn

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP4

Wryly · 8 months ago

This is a 50/50 crapshoot but Lunatic has the stronger character claim


I'm tempted to just hammer and have the game over with but I hate to decide on a tired brain

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP4

Wryly · 8 months ago

Just where I like to be, at LYLO with two dudes who are not mechanically confirmed.

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Andor Mafia DP3

Wryly · 8 months ago

Is it allowed to lie about something being modkillable?


I assume it's allowable to lie about anything

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP3

Wryly · 8 months ago

I don’t know why they NKed Magoroth. Maybe they thought he would misplace his ghost vote.


Would've been way smarter to keep him alive until LYLO and cultivate suspicion around him. What incentive do they have to kill him and let him vote in LYLO when he has the potential to fuck with their plans the most?

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP3

Wryly · 8 months ago

“I still have two more days to finish this essay…” We know where procrastination leads. We should aim to get it right every time.


Why don't we just lynch you and then Lunatic. That would still nail your top scumread


Wryly

Andor Mafia DP3

Wryly · 8 months ago

I wanted someone to softclaim whether or not their role was very likely to change the number of deaths in any phase. Muh mislynch math


Lol, and you thought people would be okay with softing that?

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP3

Wryly · 8 months ago

"There is one type of soft that would help me because it would help me figure out how best to use my role."

~ wylted claims Martyr ~

"Ah yes, this is what I meant when I said a specific soft claim could help me!"



I continue to be confused by this. What soft claim could have helped you identify which player was the Martyr? How would that have helped you figure out how best to use your role?

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP3

Wryly · 8 months ago

I am the towniest town to ever town, but I couldn't fault any of y'all for mislynching me here. It's at least indirectly my own ass fault (that should be the name of a paving company) for neglecting my list of night actions. I do ask you all to seriously consider whether or not, if I were scum, Kohai would be okay with me claiming Vigilante knowing that I could not fake-confirm myself with a second kill last night. Even in the Suikoden game where I pulled that Leprechaun claim out of my ass a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, I only did it because Lunatic either approved it or did not make it clear enough that he did not approve it.


What do you mean by list of night actions?


And I really wouldn't put it past Kohai to sign off on even night vig. Inactive scumchat could also be to blame.


I know this is basically a moot point since it could probably be applied to all our claims, but do you really think I took the risk of asking about Saw Gerrera and got lucky that he wasn't in the game, instead of asking about someone more minor?


If you didn't know much about the theme, you could've thought Saw was minor. He does only appear in three episodes of Andor.


Serious question. Aside from neglecting my night actions, since I'm probably about to get lynched and definitely going to flip innocent if I do, any suggestions for how I could have played this better?


The case against you, in my opinion, is down to the fact that you did not confirm your role, you have yet to make the case for why scum would either give town an extra day phase or NK Magoroth (a mislynch target), and I guess also that I have twice asked you what you meant by "a particular soft that would help me use my role best", and you still haven't answered.


If you're town, we also still have one more chance to lynch correctly.

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP3

Wryly · 8 months ago

idk any suggestions?


I was gonna say your strongest townread, sorry got busy


well whiteflame was in my POE but it would take a unanimous vote to lynch him now


Will be on later tonight

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP3

Wryly · 8 months ago

Right now, we're at just over 2 days remaining in the DP, and I think we should aim to leave roughly 2 days in case we have another DP to get through. From what I'm seeing, Thoth and Luna want to lynch each other and Banana wants to lynch Thoth. That leaves us at an effective 2-1 in favor of lynching Thoth. Where are you leaning?


You or Thoth


The likelihood of Luthen Rael being in the game combined with the unlikelihood of scum claiming a JOAT with a flipped Inventor have combined to tip Luna just outside my top two scumreads. Mechanically he is unconfirmed, which bothers me, so he's far from a townlock.


I also worry it's just been Banana this whole time and she's straight claiming a scum role, but her role confirmation and its justification with her character are indisputable, and I don't see how Savant pits a loaded town deck against just a Chauffeur and a Petitioner. She would have to have other powers.

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP3

Wryly · 8 months ago

I'd like you to use your Petitioner on someone this DP to verify it's not a 1x

Wryly

Andor Mafia DP3

Wryly · 8 months ago

I know that's gonna make me look bad if Saw Gerrera used to work for the Empire lmao

Basically the only reference I had seen to this show going into this game was a news article about a controversial scene where an Imperial officer tries to rape a woman. I get that portrayal of sexual assault in media is rightly a touchy subject, but the outrage I was seeing made me think that people were forgetting that the Empire are the bad guys. If the showmakers wanted to remind us that the Empire are not the good guys, that was a quick fix. And do you really think that no immigration officer has ever threatened someone for sexual favors?


Saw never worked for the Empire.


I think fans' response to that scene was mostly due to people trusting Star Wars not to have SA content. Other than Kylo being kind of creepy with Rey during the interrogation scene, it's unprecedented. Always been a franchise you can watch with your kids. Andor is definitely grittier though. Just the feel of some of the opening sets seemed more Blade Runner to me than Star Wars.