Wryly

Willing to let Pie confirm. He said if he has any excuse tomorrow we can just lynch him then anyway.

VTL Kohai

Forgot Shining has a double vote, so I guess mine wouldn't count anyway.

Well, unless we see more activity from people and I get some feedback, I guess my vote will be on Pie. I would be willing to let him confirm his role, but I've seen no indication anyone who can give him favor would be willing to do so, and a Slanderer confirmation won't cut it, it does nothing for me alignment-wise. We need to get a vote off the ground this DP to narrow the POE, and I don't see anyone else getting on board with a Kohai vote or a Banana vote. I am open to switching to the former but reluctant to switch to the latter.

Thoughts?

The only thing you could've confirmed is Slanderer, and scum could easily have favor-decreasing roles.

Hmm.

Why can't Pie be lynch proof scum?

Because it would break the game. Town doesn't win until all mafia are eliminated.

If Pie is scum I'm betting the Lynchproof passive is a lie and he has some other plan for DP4. He could claim he did not receive enough favor for it to activate, and if Vader claims that he gave favor, he could claim the favor was stolen. Or he really does have some kind of scum 1x power that will get him out of a lynch, like you did last game.

Why do you have a vote on me, or is your brain just tired and couldn't rationalize a Lunatic lynch anymore so it sluggishly defaulted to your next hobby horse scumread

Sorry if I missed it, but who are you VTLing?

Tough decision. Banana has come across pretty townie to me in her recent posts, but I'm very tempted to let Pie confirm himself tomorrow. I don't know if we have the votes to pull off a Kohai lynch. No matter who I vote for I'm going to have doubts.

If someone can answer why REF would give town would give town a role that can only Roleblock mod-confirmed town, I will literally vote myself. I’m tired of all this bs. Pie is scummy cause he feels off. No shit. I’ve been bombed at work. This is obviously not how I play. Everyone here has seen how I play. It’s retarded.

I could as easily ask why Rex would hand out a fake claim that only roleblocks mod-confirmed town

So I see the largest wagon is on a player who is saying he can confirm himself tomorrow. wylted says he thinks this is just a way for scum to try to get into MYLO/LYLO. Is this the reasoning for the rest of you to discard the promise of confirmation as well?

Also, do you believe Rex gave Pie a duplicate power (even night slanderer) as a fake claim?

As for where I'm leaning atm, I can't say I like how attention has gone almost completely off of Kohai despite his being pretty commonly in a lot of our POE. I agree with Luna's point about the lack of interaction between these two, which strikes me as odd even with Pie's absences. Even if Pie claims he doesn't have access to his lynchproof next DP, I think a scum flip on Kohai puts the spotlight on Pie next DP.

Regarding Banana, her entreaties about what's wrong with her behaviorally come off as decently townie to me, which hold me back from posting a vote on her. It's mainly that Siren role that is setting me off. I get that the game includes a Miller that unlocks with favor too, but this is much more actively anti-town and apparently available to her early. I don't know why she'd announce that she has a role like this, particularly if she has access to a fake claim, so that's making me hesitant.

If the drive is to lynch Pie, I get why, I just don't think it's the best choice we can make right now. Hence, my vote's going on Kohai.

VTL Kohai

So you think the favor you were given by awesome5000 was actually the work of a scum role of his, or do you believe he really has an even night Adjudicator that he straight claimed? Since Mikal has an Adjudicator as well, it does fit this pattern of doubled roles.

Here, catching up

Bro I'm burned out with family stuff, Pie is slammed at work, many of our players haven't been posting enough. I can't blame you for not having tons of fun with this one

And would prefer Lunatic over Pie. Still don’t understand why people townread him. I think he’s a good player and can easily seem town, so to me it looks NAI (but I have the benefit/disadvantage of more personal interactions with him so it looks scummy on a deep level to me)

He's an experienced player and could easily just be playing his part well, so he's not out of consideration, as I said. But it shouldn't be hard to understand why his analysis and scumhunting are coming across as behavioral green flags. The only odd thing I've seen is his townread of whiteflame after saying whiteflame was in his POE last DP.

Fwiw I think Luna's point that Pie's 3P conjecture indicates inside information is one of his more tenuous.

I was just curious because I was hoping to get in ja-panties

did I laugh, yes

should you go directly to jail, also yes

I’m trying to scum hunt. What flaw do you see in my reasoning for scumreading Banana. There’s role mechanics. Every DP, she just comes in to vote and then dips.

The only flaw I've seen in your reasoning of Banana is that you misrepresented her role and you're criticizing her for posting sporadically when several players have been posting sporadically, you among them. Otherwise I agree, she is in the POE. Continuing to discuss Mago as scum in DP3 however kind of baffles me.

Really sorry life is being such a bitch for you rn btw

I'm honestly burned out rn so y'all can think whatever you want

I will get no tracker results but I can still uselessly target people to track, so I suppose I could track Shining this NP and he would detect my visit. Closest thing to confirmation I can give y'all

Oh wait in the game

I'm the shade of a vampire who's just been told it will be daylight all the time now

What happened to hos before bros

Bitches why are you still scumreading me

A major antagonist and poisoner in the series appears to be Consort Wei Yanwan Ling, who is unclaimed as of now and I assume is scum

Pretty sure pie is scum here. He is only really pressuring people he thinks he can secure easy mislynches on, somehow town reads all the vets, normal pie would be hella sus of the other vets. Plus the role is an outlier, strengthener is kind of a common fake claim and the slanderer is kind of a CC by kohai only khoais is more of a theft (which he strangely didn't mention, even though he was harping on wryly/shining cc'ing each other). Like even buying the excuse that pie is busy (I know he genuinely is) like his behavior still feels different even analyzing his active posts. 0 interaction between him and kohai. I think his vote on awesome was to look town last day phase, but kohai hasn't done a lot, and I feel like there would be a lot of focus on him from pie but there isn't. I am seeing a scum team here. Pie being adamant about 2 scum and a third party suggests inside information as well, I think that is a pretty wild conclusion to jump to otherwise. Lastly in post 172 of dp1 pie said if he had enough favor he could carry the game. I was thinking he had some really amazing role here that could help him break the game, but the only thing I can fathom to think of that he could be referring to is his lynchproof, which 1. Requires him to be way more active and have amazing reads to use 2. Ignores the fact that his slanderer role could actually harmfully impact the town. And like I said earlier, I think scum probably have some pretty powerful roles based on how strong the town appears to be. Meaning that asking for favor would probably be a viable strategy from scum, not only for that but because it means that favor isn't getting fed into town power roles. It just doesn't make sense to ask for favor if you know your going to be busy and not able to post like anything if you think you are going to carry town to victory with a lynchproof lol.

Pie may be my top scumread right now. I know he's been slammed at work but his behavior just feels more like scum trying to play while busy than town trying to play while busy

Current reads:

Mago - Town. His role disability is identical to mine, and he could only be scum if 1) Mago, Shining, and Wylted are all scum; 2) Rex gave Mago a fake claim that "disables" just like mine does, which is diabolical; 3) he decided to pretend he was poisoned, which is dumb.

Shining - Town unless Empress is a scum role that Shining straight claimed, Wylted is also scum, and Rex gave Miller and Cop as fake claims (also diabolical).

Wylted - Town unless Shining is scum, though all I have on him is the Miller thing.

ILikePie5 - Unconfirmed by mechanics, claims, or night actions. Keeps pounding on the Mago and Shining drums when those two are mechanically more likely to be town.

Banana - To be honest if any character was given a role which could veto the Emperor I would've expected it to be the Empress Dowager, but online info says Consort Rong was an aloof princess who was kind of a nexus of drama because the Emperor simped for her, so maybe I could see it. Eh, justification analysis is useless with full fake claims anyway. Banana does have two powers that are confirmable, but they have yet to be demonstrated. Null.

Kohai/awesome5000 - His role is supported by whiteflame's confirmation that he received 1 favor NP1. This is not alignment confirming imo.

Lunatic - Lunatic has done the most to scumhunt out of anyone in the game so far, I would say, so if he turns out to be scum I'm gonna go full Obi-Wan in the volcano screaming you were the chosen one. Mechanically there's nothing but his private chat with whtieflame, but I townread him.

whiteflame - Behaviorally he has been NAI to me and mechanically all I have to go on is that he has received favor from awesome5000 and Lunatic confirms they're in chat. Null.

I think the real problem is stretching a game to 12 players when its hard enough to get 9 players in a game these days. A lot of people don't really have the time and energy to be here, and only signed up out of wanting to do a favor for rex I think lol.

Definitely why I signed up lol

The theme setup sounded cool but I only agreed to it after he told me there was a backup, not that I can use the backup now :/ . And what a game to have to come in late to as the backup

btw I started out with 4 favor and received none NP1 because I am sadly unappreciated in my time. though in hindsight favor should've gone to Thoth, who apparently does not share my anxiety about everyone hating me if I ghost on a game

If you guys happen to see me playing videogames before then on Discord, it was prescribed by my doctor