Wryly

Wylted was pansexual what are you talking about. everyone knows that

Yeah about 40% of my opposition to the mass claim was 'these mfers gonna lynch me when they hear this shit'.

Lmao

Shit he did. Missed that.

Well... that was unfortunate. Mixing mafia with a western quickdraw.

Then just say "soft vtl" or something.

Sidewalker says he got engaged.

Was really surprised you were telling the truth about your role, it sounded so wacky. So wacky I had to think there was no reason to make it up.

On reconsideration, I feel like I'm maybe being too harsh, especially considering I'm just a noob. whiteflame and Mikal are formidable players. My bad, Ko.

I don't think that's what Kohai was trying to do, except maybe in that post where he VTL'd in large font and unvoted in small font.

Seems like a disastrous risk if someone did try it.

At least I tried giving logical arguments. I admit I was dead wrong. The tailor mechanic completely blindsided me as I didn't even think such a role could even exist. If it wasn't for that role I would have town locked pie and probably would have been able to come around to mikal being wf's partner.

I get the tailor blindsiding, but given the two previous rushes into a mislynch I would've preferred you at least wait until I get back online before giving potential scum an opportunity to hammer. Alarm bells were starting to go off when I saw whiteflame and Mikal uniting behind a Kohai/Pie team and then you voted Pie.

Yeah I fully understand your vexation here, fwiw

GP = Greyparrot?

Yeah not proud of the night actions so far. I don't regret the Mikal track but I do the Kohai.

You were actually seeming to come around on the mikal being town confirmed thing, I was impressed. You logically figured out "If I am alive, they obviously either didn't see me as a threat or were wanting to manipulate my results". I could see the cogs turning and the puzzle pieces falling into place lol

They were.

Then the game ended.

It was frustrating.

You did really well tbh. Your night actions definitely need work though. Behaviorally, you were town

Lol disagree, 3 mislynches flew by me without me influencing them in a better direction. Felt like a passenger to this game.

Yeah not proud of the night actions so far. I don't regret the Mikal track but I do the Kohai.

Why did you rush into a Pie VTL? We had like two days left to winnow away at this.

I haven't accounted for the possibility that the recruit fake claimed their character and role after the alignment switch.

The wiki said the informant's message was the same each night. Maybe I misunderstood.

Pretty busy atm, jotting down some thoughts to get them out.

If it was WF/Pie, they'd know they were going to have to bus at this point and would be trying to guide the lynch toward the most expendable of the two of them. If Pie is the recruit, that's definitely him. His power, if true, is worthless as scum, correct? So if I was Pie, and the recruit, I'd be trying to eat the lynch. If I was Pie and OG scum, I lied about my Martyr power, and I'd be trying to lynch whiteflame because his Scavenger also kind of only helps town. If I straightclaimed my character, that would leave the original scum split at Dr. Wren/Ripley, which would be humans vs nonhumans, not complex at all, like Lunatic said it would be. But if I lied about my character, Ellen Ripley is a ballsy choice, literally the protagonist of the franchise, easily could be CC'd. And why fake claim a character who is mentioned in Casey's PM?

It can't be Mikal/Kohai, because both of them have to be the recruit if scum. Kohai visited no one NP1. The only way I could see this work is if Kohai is the recruit, Mikal is OG, and he visited me with a scum power I have yet to see the effect of. Then he had Kohai carry out the NK. Doesn't seem likely.

If it was Mikal/whiteflame, Mikal is just sitting around tapping his foot waiting for whiteflame to get on here and hammer Pie because Kohai is willing to switch his vote to Pie. Mikal would be the recruit, whiteflame would be OG. Once Pie is lynched it would be game over.

If it was Pie and Kohai, they'd be gunning hard for whiteflame. Kohai would be the recruit; Pie's power would be a lie. It's clear Kohai's preference is whiteflame, and Pie is indeed gunning for WF. But if Pie straightclaimed his character, we're again left at Dr. Wren + Ripley for original scum split, and if Ripley is a fake claim it's still a very odd one.

Mikal and Pie makes no sense. Mikal would have no reason to come gunning for Pie here when he could just hammer whiteflame with Pie's vote and Kohai's.

whiteflame/Kohai - Kohai came immediately for whiteflame instead of Pie, which would be odd in this pairing.

Here’s a couple of thing:

This is what I said in DP1 to soft claim Martyr:

”Anyone on that wagon probably isnt going to die, especially me, so I suggest to any protective roles to not target me.”

Can you conceivably read this as soft claiming Martyr and trying to bait the NK? The answer should be yes, and that alone puts me at a leg up over WF because it means that I would have been the converted scum.

Ive asked Mikal this a million times, what conceivable evidence do you have that WF is NOT the OG scum? If he’s fake claiming David 8, then Supa’s information doesn’t matter cause he could’ve just changed it. He’s missed twice on the apportion. He has nothing going for him that could prove he’s not the OG scum.

Of course I can see it as you being martyr and baiting. But if you were OG, you knew Casey was going to flip DP2 anyway, and that there might well be a call for mass claims, so you needed to get your story straight early.

And there is no evidence that whiteflame is not OG.

Kohai is a nonstarter this DP.

Mikal says he visited me and my tracking corroborates it. No, that's not bulletproof, but it's more than I have to go on for whiteflame and Pie. If he was scum, his visiting me means (correct me if I'm wrong plz) he has to be the recruit anyway, and I'm after the OG.

So, again, whiteflame and Pie.

Despite all of the back-and-forths I see here, nothing has tipped me for Pie or whiteflame. They were on both mislynches. Both their role justifications make sense. Neither whiteflame or Pie has done anything especially scummy to me. If whiteflame was scum he would've had to relay Vader's informant message anyway, so that does nothing. I'll need to think on this more after I'm done for the day.

He denies it cus he got motivated and say he has a scum role. (Rb, redirect, role cop, anything) he can use it and get two results

he absolutely would deny this.

Then why not just make up a fake active role and say that was motivated -- that looks less sus and potentially gets you on his side.

I just thought of something. The night kill only make sense if whiteflame is scum. If he killed castin he could never fake claim that he was a doctor and healed castin. Castin was the obvoius night kill so whiteflame avoided killing him to get fake town cred.

I don't follow.

Let’s say you think I’m the OG scum. I soft claimed Martyr in DP1 why? To avoid being interfered with? Protected?

If you're OG, perhaps to lock in your fake role early. If you're the recruit, because you weren't scum yet.

Let’s say I’m the OG scum who has an active role. Why would I say no to Mikal supposedly motivating me? Let’s say I’m an OG scum that has a passive role. That sounds super weak with a Yakuza to begin with.

This is a good point. I can't see a world where you were scum, got motivated by Mikal, but denied it. And Lunatic said both sides were overpowered in this game, so I don't believe you could have a passive scum role.

If I was OG scum, why advocate and literally coordinate a mass claim and risk being caught vs getting individual claims to minimize CC risk?

Pretty much everyone still here was on board with the mass claim, so we could ask the same question of anyone.

Why would an OG scum Kohai CC a townie and full claim out of the blue?

There is zero reason to do that.

I tracked Kohai NP1 and he visited no one. Very much doubt he's the OG. Recruit or townie.

I'll be posting my reads on everyone later. For now I'm brooding on why Vader was lynched instead of me. I can think of only a few reasons.

They wanted to gin up suspicion around why I was still alive

They wanted to keep the least experienced player in the game

They wanted to exploit my tracking somehow to farm town cred

The only world where I see Mikal still being scum is if he's the recruit and used his night action on me to farm town cred. I don't think that's what happened, but it is a possibility.

Vader being NK'd instead of me is troubling.

Since Kohai is a non-option in all this I'll need to do isos on Pie and whiteflame tomorrow. For now, I'm tired.

Why do you think whiteflame is the OG and not Pie?

Flavor character - I doubt Casey would out their partner like that in their role PM.

Hmm. She'd have no choice if she wanted to convert someone. But would Lunatic implicate the other scum in the description knowing Yakuza would flip early? I'm thinking probably not.

That would leave whiteflame as the fake claimer and makes me wonder if he reported the Informant dump faithfully.

1) Why did you choose Mikal?

2) Why does that town confirm him?

1) It was a toss-up between tracking you, whiteflame, or Mikal, and I just went with my gut. I always questioned if Mikal was making up the accidental hammering in DP1 because he saw the opportunity to blame it on Kohai's scorekeeping.

2) Confirms his story above. I suppose there's a scenario where he was scum and visited me, but what power did he use on me if so? I received no notification of anything except that he visited me.

Why do you think whiteflame is the OG and not Pie?

Good question about why Vader. I figured I'd be NK'd by now. No idea why they'd off a townie whose power was spent over an active investigator.

This town confirms you for me. Of the three remaining, I sus Kohai the least, and we couldn't lynch him this DP even if I did.

So, whiteflame and Pie.

I tracked Mikal and was told he visited me.

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