But matthew 5:32 and matthew 19:9 seem to allow a remarriage, if the spouse has had sexual immorality or sexual relations, if you will, outside the marriage.
And also a person can remarry if their spouse is passed, but paul encourages them to remain widowed or unmarried.
Remember that a marriage is unity of soul and flesh (it is written fornication is a sin against one's soul) so when a spouse does commit adultery, they sin against the soul of themselves and their spouse, severing the unity, and so they are bound by flesh only.
Edit: but if its a matter of law or customs, the divorce courts has standards
1 john 5:6
Jesus was born with blood and water as any child. But also died with blood and water, both poured out on the ground upon his death, so the earth must repent by blood and be covered by water.
John 19:34
Psalms 2 is directly connected to revelation 12. For the earth will seek to destroy the Lord's anointed, yet he shall come and break them asunder.
Do you not know who the woman is in revelation 12:1? She represents israel, the wings given to her are representative of the same wings he carried israel across the wilderness (exodus 19:4 deuteronomy 32:11)
and the same wings that he covered her with.
(isaiah 40:31 psalms 91:4 as well as to the gentiles who join israel ruth 2:12)
The 12 stars represent the 12 tribes. Out of israel came not only christ, but the redemption of the gentiles. The water sent after her by the dragon (satan) represent the nations. (See later in revelations how babylon sits on many waters)
The cross is the method of death, yes, from the wounded body of christ, both the earth and the mercy seat in heaven recieved blood.
Hebrews 10:9-13
(Revelation 11:19. Thats why he told moses to make the ark after the pattern shown him in the mount exodus 25:40 and acts 7:44)
Hebrews 10:1
The cross wasnt the means of salvation, it was the means of death wereby christ died, buried and rose the 3rd day would obtain salvation for us by his sinless blood.
When jesus instructs to take up our cross and follow him, is he instructing us to carry salvation? No, he is instructing us to bear the method of death, the method of death is to crucify the flesh, to make it a cursed thing. And to die to self.
Also it doesnt make sense for mary to be the queen of heaven if the entire church is his bride. The church is to rule and reign with him, not just mary.
If someone says mary is the key saint, then what key? The only key that matters is the key of david, not mary.
Isaiah 22:20-22
Revelation 3:7
The key of david is the key given to Jesus Christ in the eternal sense, because what david did was he unlocked 2 things that continued after him (not including his lineage)
amos 9:11 acts 15:16 the tabernacle of david.
Isaiah 55:3-6
Which is the mercies of david
And to call the heathen or the unknown nations as an inheritance.
Psalms 2:6-9
So when you say he chose the cross, that brings up 2 questions.
1: do you mean the method of his death? Because deuteronomy 21:23 OT says cursed is every man that hangs on a tree.
And the wounds in his hands is a reference to zechariah 13:6
And the piercing in his side zechariah 12:10
Galatians 3:13
Or are you trying to say the cross its self was important? If so, what distinguished it from any other cross? Nothing, except he was put on it.
And i can say the same regarding mary, God was put in her.
Is this debate over matthew 19:9 ?
1 hour
You edited it to say its for ultra debate only.
The standards of the voting and topic rubrics are complementary.
The burden of proof and the standards to give equal weighing of arguements are not seperated.
How does one equal weigh a description when it always favors to weigh reinterpretation or rephrasing instead of the arguement?
Forgot to define subjectivism.
Subjectivism is the doctrine that "our own mental activity is the only unquestionable fact of our experience",[1] instead of shared or communal, and that there is no external or objective truth.
In the future i dont recommend pulling up info about a person. Use the information listed in the debate.
If i have to explain why, go ahead and ask.
Also please stop citing oxford languages webpage as a link
Will not vote because description fails topic rubric.
https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/debatecraft/posts/gh/topic-rubricsuggestion
"Must be specific, with a clear scope of what is and isn’t being debated.
Must be fair, with each side having a roughly equal opportunity to win."
Description to "not rephrase or reinterpret"
Does not grant equal opportunity to win, the voter must weigh every attempt of these perimeters, it ultimately disregards the purpose of debating.
I ask mods and staff to either remove this or to treat all debates under lesser standards as it is not a debate in good faith.
(See also hyper's vote regarding it)
Use the debatecraft thread voting policy.
We are using it now.
https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/debatecraft/posts/gg/voting-rubric
Sure? But God could have selected someone else. He chose her cause he highly favored her.
I wouldnt say her role is essential. Unless you look it from the perspective of giving birth to him.
Then id say a woman was essential, not her specifically
Also why quote book of judith? Its not even canonical.
Did you even ask your opponent about it or mention it? He could just pull out gospel of thomas or another book thats not canon to refute you.
Mind removing mika's vote? Needs more.
Look at voting rubric in forums.
https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/debatecraft/posts/gg/voting-rubric
Not really. Those who obey the scriptures have it. Ever obeyed acts 2:38? I know that you havent
You didnt check with the church did you?
How do you know your interpretation is right?
I know mine is correct because i walk in the spirit. You do not have the spirit.
So you admit then that the earth does move.
Thanks for affirming scripture.
Isaiah 24:20
Even bible says the earth reels to and fro like a drunkard.
What science are you using to suggest the earth doesnt move?
I was gonna vote on this, then decided not to.
Not because i cannot, but because there are some things neither side brought up i feel would affect my vote.
1: the creation account was written in the perspective of a man called moses as he saw the backside of God.
No human was there when God made and shaped the heavens and earth.
2: the light that was present at that time was God. "Let there be light" in its understanding can be said "become illuminated" the wording is not suggesting a source, but a command. Jesus said "i am the light of the world" God is light.
3: the accounting of creation being old or young is most often depicted in the timeframe of genesis 1:1-2. Too many have tried and later understood the concept of morning and evening is the same as the jewish perspective as dictated to israel during the time of moses.
If the debate was about how old the earth was when before genesis 1:3 then that would have been a more worthy topic. My own aunt wrote a book on how satan ruled the earth and then was cast down pre genesis 1:3.
4: thousands of genealogies would have to be ommited to make the world millions or billions of years old. And the bible consistently shows there are less than 50 generations from adam to jesus. Even accounting for all books listing genealogies.
5:somedebateperson has got to stop referencing people AFTER the bible in biblical debates, all you are doing is introducing caveat's which have no influence and frankly are unbiblical.
In the future refer to https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/debatecraft/posts/gh/topic-rubricsuggestion
On how to order a debate and debate description.
So far our discussion on the topic has devolved into unmeaningful arguement and we havent even touched on morality.
I forsee (unless things change) that i cannot in good faith address or accept this debate.
And as always, if you feel my vote is wrong or fails to meet voting rubric.
Then report it.
Here is voting rubric.
1:"Votes solely based on relative strength of arguments made in the debate, and analysis of these arguments by the debaters, including relevant responses and weighing analysis."
2:Explains why the arguments analyzed are enough to determine the outcome, not ignoring key arguments that could change the outcome."
3:Displays neutrality, making clear that any personal opinions mentioned do not affect how arguments are weighed."
4:"Votes based on the scope set by the debate resolution and rules."
5:If disagreeing with the debate's framing, the voter clearly establishes why their interpretation is more faithful and how it influences their vote."
And besides. I said this was a 1 before we even debated. Our debate was after october.
Revenge votes?
If you are referring to our debate on God, i hold no ill will towards you.
Why would i? You arent the one who voted that syllogism was needful to be address to determine a debate outcome.
Nor are you the one who refuses to address my latest grivances over the fact that certain arguements werent analyzed.
No.
I simply am voting on debates i said id vote on and the ones avalible, you happen to make alot of debates recently.
Cant vote on this due to 2 reasons. 1: mal's description about rephrasing and reinterpreting would make this a tied debate.
2: according to scripture God isn't a trinity. I cannot speak as one that weighs this debate, but as an authority for God is in me, i am the church.
So i pose these 2 questions.
1:If jesus is co equal, co eternal. Why did satan say "if you are the son of God" he would have seen him before he fell.
2: why does Jesus and the holy spirit get denied a throne, as well as the 7 spirits of God mentioned in revelation 4:2-5?
Thanks
Do you mind looking at my vote for me? Its possible i may have missed something. Debate was messy.
Trying to trap someone in a debate cause people are tired of your nonsense.
Getting pretty low there.
